Why is the British media suddenly talking about ‘intervention’ in Libya?

within the past 24 hours the British media – in particular the state run BBC – has started raising the question of whether or not foreign intervention is necessary – whether by the UN, NATO – or anyone - to can avert a humanitarian catastrophe.
Some eyewitnesses who have just left Libya have talked on BBC news about the disastrous conditions for evacuees at the airport. Other Libyan residents have spoken fearfully and anonymously by phone about the regime striking back at the people; and have been asked whether or not they fear a chemical weapons attack. Only 24 hours earlier former British diplomats did not believe Gaddafi even possessed chemical weapons to carry out any such attack.
The net result has been a concluding question, sometimes answered by a desperate voice from Libya, or from seasoned British politicians – that some form of intervention was necessary by the ‘international community’.
But what type of intervention? Western ‘humanitarian’ and liberal interventions are rarely constructive and hardly ever altruistic. They have managed to avoid intervention in the Democratic Republic of Congo where, since 1998, an estimated 5 million people have been killed due to war, and its secondary consequences.
Britain managed to botch its own attempts to evacuate its citizens from Libya (despite unrest in Tunisia, Egypt, Yemen and Bahrain over the past 2 months, which would ordinarily give a few warnings that there might be a need for some forward planning in this crucial regard). The idea Britain could save a country from a disintegrating tyrant is unrealistic. Similarly, if the United States is up to its neck following its brutal interventions in Afghanistan and Iraq, which managed to make a bad situation a thousand times worse, it is hard to see how it could make things better for Libyans.
Could it simply be in order to establish a no-fly zone, which would protect BP and other petroleum companies? After all, Libya, unlike Tunisia and Egypt, exports over 80% of its oil to Europe. Any threat to this would have ramifications for oil prices, and consequently inflation, in the west.
Similarly, a humanitarian catastrophe in Libya could create an unprecedented refugee crisis for Europe. Something Jack Straw cited as a reason for intervention in Kosovo when he was in government. Or is it just media talk, trying to fill the 24 hour media cycle?

The truth remains to be seen. But given their track record, this talk is something that should be monitored carefully, lest it is acted upon by the policy makers.

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Probably to safeguard its interests (read oil).

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Well, of course. British companies have millions of pounds invested in Libya, unlike Congo. Part of any non-communist government's responsibilities is to safeguard the companies of that country as well as its people, because the companies employ the people.

Not mention the issue of how important Libyan oil is to Europe. It's no coincidence that Western Europe, despite being militarily insignificant compared to the US, is talking the most about intevention in Libya. Apart from the Libyan people themselves, Europe has the most to lose from Libyan instability. If Libya's oil industry is damaged, it will be Europe's economy that suffers next.

In fact, one could argue that in order to protect their own people from the economic shock of a Libyan oil industry collapse.... Western Europe will be forced to intervene in Libya in some way.

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LOL at your signature bhai very true sadly.

It's the same as the Iraq story, oil is the reason. :)

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And the innocent people being butchered by gaddafi don't come into the picture, only oil?

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Ehsan uncle I did say was that Britian is only in it for the Oil. I dont buy for one minute that Britian is doing it for the Libyan people. I wish it were so but then Britian would have spoken out on other issues... if Libya did not have the Oil and BP was not so involved in the region then I seriously dont think the British would be so involved.

I wish it were for those innocent people but I sersiouly dont think it is and knowing British foriegn policy it is certianly not. If they dont have an interest in it they never speak out... look at the Gaza case, or the massacres in Kenya and other parts of Africa... again if the British or others could get something out of it they send in troops but if the country is barren then nothing more than words is what we get.

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What sort of oil was in Bosnia and Kosovo? All I am saying is that I would welcome the overthrow of a despot like gaddafi and save the lives of thousands of people there rather than harping on about oil. Humanity comes first.

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Again the British only moved against Milisovic after he massacred the Muslims and when he became a problem to the British if they were so sincere why not stop Ratvan Karadic before he massacred all those Muslims they had weeks to sort that out back then... anyway Ehsan uncle I get your point.

You are making a valid point that lives should be saved, hell Gadafi is a madman these days nothing like what he used to be and sure he should be booted out but then again why not simply pay someone local to do the job or send in a few trained mercenaries... no need to make a big show of the matter. Seriously if it was just Gadafi they wanted they could nail him right now nothing to stop them but they will wait for the time that suits them best.

Britian like any other nation with interest in such things is biding it's time... Like yourself I say if lifes need to be saved which they do why not move right now?

No Uncle this is the same old Britian everyone knows all too well.

I'm happy to leave the subject if you want... we will agree to disagree on the UK reasoning and motives but at least we can agree that Gadafi deserves to be toppled since he is pretty much an insane lunatic right now or at least acts like one. :)

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US warships approaching Libya, Britain talks about intervention, qadafi's assets frozen, restrictions in place...

so whats next after libya? invasion of Egypt and take control of suez canal and reinforcing borders with israel????

may be i'm wrong, but now all this "revolution season" is making sense...

"gifting" the nuclear material and biological weapons to Al-CIAda in pakistan, then another mumbi-like-attack in india this time with nuclear or biological weapon, and then facilitating india to invade pakistan (remember davis' work in border region, and imagine several "davises" doing this), at the same time several bomb blasts and coordinated attacks on masajid, hospitals and schools by bearded-pashto-speaking-davises-and-deheaven... and physically encircling and reinforcing israels security on ground from all sides, to save their grand daddy from any "offensive" from arabs or pakistan...

while they plan, we sleep

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Unrest in Libya and other countries in North Africa will have direct impact on on Europe...UK included. Already thousands of refuges are fleeing across the Mediterranean Sea to Europe. So, its not just oil, but combination factors & the fact Gandaffi wants to start civil war that could destabilize the whole region.

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Davies case is going to give reason to US to invade Pakistan to clean the terrorist havens in Pakistan, India will provide all kind of logistic and strategic support...

The Middle East govt are busy in controlling the protests so none of them will be able to oppose US-led invasion in Pakistan...

Yesterday there was strange kind of protest in Oman, in city of Sohar, demonstrators were known thugs and they used whatever needed to give the protest the touch of violence... why, Because Sultan of Oman does not take part nor does he want to be a party in any regional conflict...

I have been to Libya for few projects, govt have done good job in providing infrastructure and other basic necessities, they ordinary person in Libya have access to Food, Medical and education, Govt send 10s of thousand students to foreign universities for studying and bear the cost, they provide soft loan to the ordinary persons.. country was opening for the foreign investments, with conditions to benefit the country ( not like many countries where FDI have become a curse) and in select sectors...

yet these protests didn't make any sense... yes people in Egypt and Tunis and in Algeria and In jordan and in Yemen are suffering but that is not the case in Libya, Oman, Bahrain, Kuwait and Saudia Arabia the case is different, the kings/rulers of these countries have provided quality life...

yes corruption is there in every society, so it does exist here... but there is something cooking

Did i mention that Libya pumps 1.7 million barrel oil / day and its installed refining capacity is aroung 290,000 bpd and was in way to triple the refining capacity, denying the refining companies ( from UK and USA) access to build and operate these refineries... it is not that old story, i am sure not told much though

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^^^ Are you suggesting that people in Libya, Oman, Bahrain, Kuwait and Saudia Arabia, etc, have no grievousness agains their govts and this whole thing is somehow is western/American orchestrated to steal Arab oil?

Also, read this…

http://www.paklinks.com/gs/world-affairs/486126-wikileaks-saudi-royal-welfare-program-revealed.html

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I dont think so Shamraz. But I do hope that these 'freedom fighters' of today would hopefully not be 'terrorists' of tomorrow.

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^^^ Well, you never know with shifting definitions of terrorists/freedom fighters. It just depends on how it suits some people & their global interests.

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Bang on! :dhimpak:

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i have yet to see a country where 100% people are satisfied with their govt. yes there are people who may not like certain or all the policies.. same is the case here, apart from Egypt, TUnis, Morocco, Yemen, Jordan and even in Syria, i can know there is reason for these demonstration… but countries like Bahrain, Oman, Kuwait, Saudi, UAE, Qatar they take good care of their citizens, yes they deny them certain rights, but they do provide them with lots of other things in return… and that has made these countries amoung the highest income per individual… how do you think that happened, remember Nigeria is 2nd biggest oil producer yet they people lives in shythole

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^^^ True, no govt can ever satisfy all its citizens, but in counties like Libya there is total theft of public resources. According to the UN unemployment is 30% in a country with 6 million population, yet Gaddafi has horded money into Swiss, British and American Banks to the tune of 100s of billions of dollars. Same goes for Saudi Arabia, and ever expanding royal family.

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Right on. :k:

The rights and freedoms of people in these countries have been trampled on by these two bit dictators whose families and cronies are the only ones to benefits from their rule, not the ordinary people. If they were content they would not have risen against their rulers. There is a limit to what they can take and the whole region was a tinderbox waiting to explode. To think there is a sinister plot behind this is just our nature, we see conspiracies everywhere and miss the obvious, like people wanting freedom from these idiots.

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I don't know how they count unemployement in Libya, but in AGCC states, anyone who is capable of working i.e. 18+ and does not have job is un-employed... most of these AGCC citizens don't need jobs so they don't go for it and are counted as unemployed....

Every country have ruling class with dump money in foreign accounts.. be it USA, CANADA, Middle East or Asia... this ruling elite steel from people and fill their pockets... no doubt about that.. and this practice can't be eliminated anywhere by simply introducing reforms... so it is an evil people of this world have to live with

And you are right when you say, these gaddafies, mubaraks, zaradaries and sharifs steel money and built there assets in foreign land.... and i am no way supporter of gaddafi, as a matter of fact i lost a big contract because of his son in Libya... so no way i can support this guy...

but this thing i won't understand.. i am trying to figure out a logical outcome of it... why the people who are well fed, compare to their neighbour and/or region are demonstrating against their govt??? and that is in a very violent way??? this i am trying to sort out???

Not to forget that this Qaddafi and his son were the guys who told the world that Pakistan have offered them nuclear and chemical weapons!!! creating problems for Pakistan on international scenario...

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I trust your comments about libya, but for oman, i know its 100% true that there was no reason of the protest, they take good care of their citizens... similarly, UAE, Qatar, Bahrain, and KSA... in these countries if you are citizen, and you are unemployed you get a good sum of money to run your day to day affairs and more. even those who are employed, are given very good packages to build their house, get married etc...

when you talk about protest in oman, dont forget the recent "cry" of oman that UAE is spying on her, which UAE denied, and they both reconciled i believe, because there were no further news in paper after that... which shows that "somebody" is not only trying to support unrest in Oman, but also trying to harm the good relationship it has with its neighbor... not to forget that Oman occupies the most important strategic position, overlooking the whole Persian Gulf, and not to forget that both US and UK have military presence in oman...