Bob: Tell me why is it that a Muslim is very particular about the
words Halaal and Haraam; what do they mean?Yunus: That which is permissible is termed Halaal and that which I
not permissible is termed Haraam and it is the Quran which draws the
distinction between the two.Bob: Can you give me an example?
Yunus: Yes, Islam has prohibited ! blood of any type. You will agree
that a chemical analysis of blood shows that it contains an
abundance of uric acid, a chemical substance which can be injurious
to human health. "Bob: You’re right about the toxic nature of uric acid, in the human
being it is excreted as a waste product and in fact we are told that
98% of the body’s uric acid is extracted from the blood by the
kidneys and removed through urination.Yunus: Now I think that you’ll appreciate the special prescribed
method of animal slaughter in Islam.Bob: What do you mean?
Yunus: You see, the wielder of the knife, whilst taking the name of
the ‘Almighty’, makes an incision through the jugular veins, leaving
all other veins and organs intact.Bob: I see, this causes the death of the animal by a total loss of
blood from the! body, rather than an injury to any vital organ.Yunus: Yes, were the organs, example the heart, the liver, or the
brain crippled or damaged, the animal could die immediately and its
blood would congeal in its veins and would eventually permeate the
flesh. This implies that the animal flesh would be permeated and
contaminated with uric acid and therefore very poisonous; only today
did our dietitians realize such a thing.Bob: Again, while on the topic of food; Why do Muslims condemn the
eating of pork or ham or any foods related to pigs or swine.Yunus: Actually, apart from the Quran prohibiting the consumption of
pork,bacon (pig flesh); in fact the Bible too in Leviticus chapter
11, verse 8, regarding swine it says, ““of their flesh (of the swine
another name for pig)shall you not eat, and of their carcass you
shall not touch; they are " unclean to you.”” " Further, did you
know that a pig cannot be slaughtered at the neck for it does not
have a neck; that is according to its natural anatomy. A Muslim
reasons that if the pig was to be slaughtered and fit for human
consumption the Creator would have provided it with a neck." Nonetheless, all that aside, I am sure you are well informed about
the harmful effects of the consumption of pork, in any form, be it
pork chops, ham, bacon.Bob: The medical science finds that there is a risk for various
diseases as the pig is found to be a host for many parasites and
potential diseases."Yunus: Yes, even apart from that, as we talked about uric acid
content in the blood, it is important to note that the pig’s
biochemistry excretes only 2% of its total uric acid content, the
remaining 98% remains as an integral part of the body.
i hate it when the interviewer is more of an advocate and pawn than the interviewee and the interview is touted as a genuine debate. have some journalistic integrity for God's sake.
exactly.. why don't just come out and lecture than give an impression of being such a worthy 'debator'..
isn't it enough that it's mentioned in the Qur'an and you already took that leap of faith to regard that Book as God's words??
After that you don't need to rationalize where u can.. cuz baby there's tons of stuff u can't even 'rationalize'..
ksa kuri :k: nice and informative thread
Technology allows you to eat pork safely without fear of health repercussions thus the reason given for not eating pork is outdated and no longer valid.
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i hate it when the interviewer is more of an advocate and pawn than the interviewee and the interview is touted as a genuine debate. have some journalistic integrity for God's sake.
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Ha! :D
Kinda reminds me of those infomercials in which the host is oohing and aahing over the product...But I think this is a pretty good way of outlining why it is forbidden...
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Technology allows you to eat pork safely without fear of health repercussions thus the reason given for not eating pork is outdated and no longer valid.
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so I can get kosher pork now? :)
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Technology allows you to eat pork safely without fear of health repercussions thus the reason given for not eating pork is outdated and no longer valid.
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I don't think there were any reasons given in the first place.. people just have to come up with something to justify their beliefs.. when in fact it's all faith based..
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Last night I watched a documentary on Afghan kids living in Karachi (an excellent job by a young Pakistani female). She interviewed a lot of people about the deteriorating law and order and sectarian strife all over our country. One thing struck me as so true. One Pakistani model replied to the interviewer when asked about her views on Shariah Laws: I paraphrase “why do all Shariah Laws appear to revolve around women and how they act, dress, interact, etc.” and also, that “these laws are nothing but a gimmick by the fanatic followers of Islam to keep the women locked behind closed doors”.
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what does this have to do with the thread? or pigs?
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We Muslims have a habit of picking up on one thing, and beating the hell out of it. For a while, it was India, now it is the US, tomorrow it will be Nigeria. The bottom line is that we have made Pig a very popular animal by paying so much attention to it.
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i dont believe the pig is even slightly popular in muslim mainstream. it was popular enough before we started propagandising in nons.
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Muslims need to learn to multi-task. It appears, Pig, women, hijab, and Jihad are the only areas we muslims feel comfortable talking about.
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i guess its because this is infact the religion forum, and hijab/jihad are very current religious issues. go to any christian forum and all they're talking about is gay marriage, the pope and smiting islam.
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Ha! :D
Kinda reminds me of those infomercials in which the host is oohing and aahing over the product...But I think this is a pretty good way of outlining why it is forbidden...
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Reminds me of "Play dawah"..a mullahs idea of a fun playtime activity in which you pretend to be the interviewee awed over by my knowledge of Islam and its wonderousness.
Genuine hotay to kisi sahi aalim ko qaa'il karte.
and no its not a pretty good way. its hackey, transparent and makes a mockery of our honest and just cause.
ofcourse they wouldnt mind beer either.
typical childish, emotive arguments involving someoone dying and a ham sandwich. presumably theyre in pakistan? import the ham would you?
or is that pigs, once genetically modified can be grown en masse to cater for the needs of a starving pakistan?
as for the genuine starving facing the ham sandwich, i believe that shariah does allow him to eat it to save his life without incurring azab.
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You know, you guys have turned poor pig into Sulman Rushdie of animals.
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so i've been talking about pigs before, have i? as an aside i dont think salman rushdie is comparable to the pig, because the pig didnt choose to become what it is.
whats your point?
and no, i've lived in punjab and in nwfp. it is by no means 'common' to have ham for dinner. those who pay 5000 for it arent probably very adherent to their religion. which is fine, so long as they dont insist on changing religion to cover up their failings i dont really give a feck. that still doesnt show that pig is the alternative, new age, wonder food that will save pakistan's poor and hungry. sound arguments please.
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It may seem childish to you, because your mind is not capable of looking beyond what your Shariah tells you to do. Good for you.
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you dont know me enough to comment on the limitations of my mind. kindly stop being an ass.
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Do you know the drug addiction rates of Pakistan by any chance? I wonder if that's allowed but beer is not.
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by implication? drugs should be banned? they are, both in islam and in pakistan. beer shouldnt be banned? im sorry, your correlation does not hold. if you're postulating a social science explanation, atleast make it scientific. get it?
in passing, drinking rates in pakistan arent low either. and since jhatka whiskey in pakistan costs less than drugs, thats usually the first step on the way..
A jewish friend of mind gave this reason...
he said.." Forget the scientific or educated reason...we don't eat pork because god asks us to..simple. That's it. God says so and we follow".
I agree with him, we don't want to fall into the justification thinking that Christianity has, for example we don't do this because logically it's bad because of those reasons... Faith is not always logical and we humans don't always have the knowledge to know exactly why things are good and bad for us.
slow? i usually assume people are relevant to the topic of the discussion. you did not specify who the buyer is, and said foreigners pay even more. in your mind, yes, maybe you meant to say pakistani christians, but revelation..nobody else knows that.
i dont really care about exporting/selling stuff to others. nor was this thread about this. care to really make a point about anything at all or must you dabble exclusively in irrelevance?
I've said what I had to say already madhanee.
And yea, so long as you go from
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There are many poor Pakistanis who go thru trash to look for something to eat or to sell. Ask them hungry people if they mind eating a juicy ham sandwich.
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Muslims don’t eat pork, and that’s fine.
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i dont give a crap what else you have to offer, since the original article, nor anyone else besides you is talking about pig farming. its about why pig is haram in islam.
go ahead, farm away.
btw. nothing yet on the beer and the drugs? or was that another shot in the air you know jack about?
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Ravage, Shut up with your garbage already. There are certain assumptions that I don’t feel like jotting down for kids like you, these are facts of general information. You are like Bush, “most of our imports come from other countries”. Stop acting like a jackass and say something about the topic at hand.
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wats wrong guyz... :(
:). so you're saying you were actually talking about how pakistani christians should be allowed to eat pork all along? welllll why dint ya say so? wouldnt've have gotten so on your case about it in the first place.
i completely agree, that while pakistani christians eating pork has nothing to do with it being haram in Islam or the fact that nobody mentioned pakistani christians in the first place, or pig farming, that you make perfectly valid points once you actually state them, even though they remain irrelevant to the topic at hand.
why be a b*tch about it tho. sure if you want to talk about other stuff, one way is to open a new thread.
which i hope you'll do once you have those statistics about prohibition of beer and the consequent rise in drug abuse in pakistan..:)