^ I said what it was associated with, which is true.. Diwana, what is ur problem??? Anytime anyone says anything slighly negative about Pakistan or Pakistanis u jump down their throat, even if it happens to be true.. TRY REFUTING WHAT I SAY WITH ACTUAL FACTS instead of the standard emotional knee-jerk reaction..
The sad truth is that IS the reason 'Paki' is seen as a derogatory term in the UK but not the US.
At least u don't call me a 'troll' (which is what u say to most people on here anytime they say something u don't like), I guess only cos I have been around for so long and have so many posts..
^Best to condemn the act and the people who practise it rather than act like it's not even happening.. yes,forced marriages do happen in other communities but the VAST majority *of them in the UK DO involve Pakistanis.. Quite ironic u mention me living in a bubble when u pretty much *always deflect the slightest negative about Pakistan or any aspect of its culture by bringing in India or some other country or calling the person a 'troll'.. There's no hatred in what I wrote, just the simple truth, only paranoid extreme nationalists would see differently.. If u've ever been to the UK u would know the situation and if u have been but still try to pretend **most Pakistanis living there are at some 'decent' level u must be delusional.
There are a few others like urself on here as well, who scream 'propaganda' or 'Pakistan hater' at any little thing that doesn't show Pakistan/Pakistanis/Pak culture in a less than perfect light. If we could admit our shortcomings and mistakes rather than pretend they don't exist perhaps we wouldn't be in the mess we're in now.
And the reason for such detail was? Can't get away that easy. ;)
Well, you might have seen getto people, I know Pakistani people who live in upscale London areas and many many professional skilled and educated people with big houses and multiple vehicles there.
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I remember the back streets behind my College in East Ham London the wall were full of graffiti and obscenities ‘Wogs’ ‘Jews’ ‘Paki’ which was visible on arches with overhead bridges.
The term ‘Paki’ was/is understood as an obscenity along with the rest of the other racial curses.
Well, you might have seen getto people, I know Pakistani people who live in upscale London areas and many many professional skilled and educated people with big houses and multiple vehicles there.
A few here and there is hardly a majority or average tho, is it?? It's like saying Barack Obama in the White House must mean black men are the most educated in America.. Sad truth is most Pakistanis and Bengalis have lower living standards than whites in the UK and people do use that word as a derogatory term. Anyway, hopefully things will improve as times goes on and we will do better.. Sorry OP for derailing ur thread.
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I remember the back streets behind my College in East Ham London the wall were full of graffiti and obscenities 'Wogs' 'Jews' 'Paki' which was visible on arches with overhead bridges.
The term 'Paki' was/is understood as an obscenity along with the rest of the other racial curses.
It's weird isn't it, how u never hear the word 'Jew' as an insult nowadays.. Not in London, anyway..
^oh, i didn't realise that.. I've heard a few white guys call black people 'wogs' but I didn't think it was that common, maybe just means any 'outsider' or 'foreigner'
A few here and there is hardly a majority or average tho, is it?? It's like saying Barack Obama in the White House must mean black men are the most educated in America.. Sad truth is most Pakistanis and Bengalis have lower living standards than whites in the UK and people do use that word as a derogatory term. Anyway, hopefully things will improve as times goes on and we will do better.. Sorry OP for derailing ur thread.
So now you know, generalization is not a good thing. Those who live in gettos you so fond of giving example do not represent whole Pakistanis and the word is not justified. Sad or no sad. Does not matter.
The whole reason why I wrote first post directed to you was the 'detail' you mentioned in post #13, and you have not come up with an answer why? :)
^I HAVE POSTED THE ACTUAL STATISTICS ON THIS FORUM BEFORE *showing Pakistanis (and Bengalis) have lower levels of uni education, lower living standards etc. in the UK.
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FOR THE LAST TIME THEY ARE NOT GENERALISATIONS, THEY ARE *FACTS* - LOOK IT UP (and I mean real facts with actual figures - not 'I saw a few Pakistanis living in London in big houses')
Here is a little bit if ur too lazy to look it up (Nice little table here as well):
‘Among men, Black Caribbeans were the least likely to have degrees (8 per cent). Among women, Pakistanis and Bangladeshis were the least likely to have degrees (7 per cent).’
'In particular Pakistanis and Bangladeshis were most likely to be unqualified. Nearly half (48 per cent) of Bangladeshi women and 40 per cent of Bangladeshi men had no qualifications. Among Pakistanis, 40 per cent of women and 27 per cent of men had no qualifications.’
'Pakistanis and Bangladeshis were much more likely than other groups to be living on low incomes. Almost 60 per cent of the 1 million people in this group were living in low-income households before housing costs were deducted. This increased to 68 per cent after housing costs.’
‘The White population were least likely to be living in low-income households, 16 per cent did so before housing costs were deducted and 21 per cent after housing costs.’
**Like Puchi said it's associated with dirty low class scum, people who have like 8 kids living in a 2-bed council house, don't work or do the lowest paid jobs, smell bad etc.
**I think she clearly meant that the term PAKI is associated with such pakis, at some point in the past all this happened and that is how the term became associated with pakistanis. we are not discussing other cultures, ethnicities, or countries here.
why do you bring other cultures to avoid the discussion of pakistanis/desis in every freaking thread. why cant u discuss the topic instead of getting defensive. provide a counter argument, dont divert.
Answer to what??? I have posted references to back up what I’ve said here whilst u’ve provided nothing but ur own opinion.
Here are more FACTS for u:
'Almost three-quarters of Pakistani and Bangladeshi children in the UK are being brought up in families that are living on poverty-level income, new research suggests.
The Millennium Cohort Study, which is tracking children born between 2000 and 2002, has found that **73 per cent of the Pakistani and Bangladeshi seven-year olds were in families estimated to be living on less than 60 per cent of the average national household income.
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Just over half of the black children (51%) in the Millennium cohort were in such low-income families, compared with one in four white (26%) and Indian (25%) children. Predictably, low income was strongly linked to joblessness among parents, say researchers at the Institute of Education, University of London, who collected information from almost 14,000 families in England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland in 2008/9.
**Among fathers, Pakistanis and Bangladeshis had the highest unemployment rate (15%) – well above the UK average of 6 per cent. **Unemployment among black fathers was also high (11%) but Indians were less likely to be unemployed (4%) than whites (5.5%).’
Like Puchi said it's associated with dirty low class scum, people who have like 8 kids living in a 2-bed council house, don't work or do the lowest paid jobs, smell bad etc.I think she clearly meant that the term PAKI is associated with such pakis, at some point in the past all this happened and that is how the term became associated with pakistanis. we are not discussing other cultures, ethnicities, or countries here.
why do you bring other cultures to avoid the discussion of pakistanis/desis in every freaking thread. why cant u discuss the topic instead of getting defensive. provide a counter argument, dont divert.
what’s your point? what is the relevance? The fact is that Pakistanis were outsiders, earned this reputation because they had newly immigrated and all those things mentioned above existed.
Are we discussing what cultures have low education levels, low income, low standards of living in this thread? I think NOT.
So now you know, generalization is not a good thing. Those who live in gettos you so fond of giving example do not represent whole Pakistanis and the word is not justified. Sad or no sad. Does not matter.
The whole reason why I wrote first post directed to you was the 'detail' you mentioned in post #13, and you have not come up with an answer why? :)
I said the term 'Paki' is associated with people who have 8 kids, living in 2-bed homes etc. not that every single one of them in the UK has. Can u not read?? Oh, and those links I've provided do show that Pakistani households are larger than the UK average and poorer unfortunately :(..
The discussion was about non-desis and desis and you said ‘whites’werestronger minded. I asked you to provide back up for that claim. Not another bashing the desis stats.
Here you go. If you must want to go in to pi$$ing contest here…same level of tests.
Remind you, I have not given you any other examples outside your bubble life yet. You brought GCSE here, I brought same to you too.
Mixed-race teenagers living in the North East and South East of England do better in their GCSEs than white pupils from the same areas, government figures out today indicate. …
Try not to answer what is not asked but if you must, the weak mind could be the indication of poor economic condition. Not really a point to judge anyone.
Poor white boys are falling further behind their classmates in their GCSE results, official figures from the DCSF show today.
Less than a fifth (19.4%) of white British boys eligible for Free School Meals - a measure of poverty - were awarded at least five C grades, including English and maths, in their GCSEs this year. In comparison more than half (51%) of white British boys not eligible for the meals attained five A*-C grades, including the two core subjects - a gap of 31.6 percentage points. This gap has widened from 29.8 percentage points in 2006.
Myths about the Underachievement here..The statistics was based on small sample size and socio-economic condition is more to do with ‘underachievement’ than having weak minds.
In essence, non-desis do not have stronger minds than desis.
I said the term 'Paki' is associated with people who have 8 kids, living in 2-bed homes etc. not that every single one of them in the UK has. Can u not read?? Oh, and those links I've provided do show that Pakistani households are larger than the UK average and poorer unfortunately :(..
Thank you for reducing the words this time. You could have said this shorter version in post 13. Yes. Fortunately I can read. :)
Like Puchi said it's associated with dirty low class scum, people who have like 8 kids living in a 2-bed council house, don't work or do the lowest paid jobs, smell bad etc.
I think she clearly meant that the term PAKI is associated with such pakis, at some point in the past all this happened and that is how the term became associated with pakistanis. we are not discussing other cultures, ethnicities, or countries here.
why do you bring other cultures to avoid the discussion of pakistanis/desis in every freaking thread. why cant u discuss the topic instead of getting defensive. provide a counter argument, dont divert.
The detail was not necessary. In case you missed my point.
