I am sure girls would agree that girls are held to tougher values/standards than guys :p Wh*ile it's okay for boys to stay out late or go out with guys and mothers won't object to that, they will object to the same thing if their daughters want to do that. I am not saying I agree with that because in my opinion, **guys and girls both should be held to same* standards and be accounted for same values. Otherwise it just frustrates girls because their brothers are free to do whatever they want, as it's obvious from this thread.
And I agree with your 2nd point too. Girls should never be judged by what they are wearing, but desis tend to mix religion with that whole ordeal. They automatically think that if a girl is wearing hijab, she's shareef by default but if she's wearing jeans and t-shirt, she has no shame. Wrong, but unfortunately that's the way it is.
Why? *Desi mentality. Hold boys to different standards than girls. If a boy does something bad, he's just a boy. However, if a girl does the same thing, it's an honor issue. She has brought shame to the family. The whole family, muhalla, and community has to get involved and talk about it. It becomes hard to find rishtas for those girls (in Pakistan). That's why parents take tougher measures and are extra careful when it comes to dealing with girls. *
I haven't been hanging with those kind of guys that discuss prices and girls' or men's clothing. And although you noticed the bold parth, you missed the part in the parenthesis, let me bold that as well: (well, I've never seen/heard).
actaually..4rm my experience..its not ok 4 guyz to go out n stay out late with guyz.i know my parents, specially my mum nd my chachi nd my other relatives here do not like this..they dont accept it. they do try 2 put their foot down with sons but..its harder 2 control the betas than betians. so its not htat htey dont object , they do but its harder to keep them in their kaboo. i think guz n girlz r accoutnabl e 2 the same standards. 4rm my experience that is.
i know lots of aunties n desi women(my mum included) who ARE aware that a girl bieng a hijaban does not automatically mean that she is shareef. quite the contrary they've heard stories n d it circulates among the aunties sotries of 'corrupt hijabans' who under the guise of the hijab try 2 get away with alot.
and in my family nd others ive seens here if desi guyz do something, pkstni community DOES NOT just ignore it cause hes a guy...oh no...if they get an inkling of his staying out late, having girlfriends, wrose things also etc...tehy defame the heck out of him nd his family..believe u me! not only here abroad but they try 2 get his risthidaares 2 know so they can humiliate him in his whole baradari community. ive seen it i know..im not exagerating here. nd it also becomes tough to get rishtas 4 guyz also. sometimes if ppl know wher ur going 2 do/want 2 do betas rsihta, tehy go there nad inform them of everything heh has done or wha thtey think he s like bcs of hte struff theyve heard. abroad nad pkstn. but if hte guy finds some girl himself..then it is easier 4 him 2 get married then the girl yeah..but these dayz our girlz r also finding their life partners by themselves baroad n stuff n actually even in pkstn(but htas rare i know).
my point is that 4rm what iv seen up closen stuff guyz r also held up 2 c ertian standsards..nd htey have 2 pay price of defamation of character just like the girlz do if hteyr caught or gossiped about or found out about or whatever. mayb its not as equal or 2 the extent that girl do but its no that far of either.
agian this is 4rm what iv seen up close n personal wiht rlatifes n desi commnty here in norht america.