Why is India intact?

Hmm, is there a lesson here for those not so democratic?

http://www.thefridaytimes.com/news4b.htm

Why is India intact?
Farrukh Saleem
wonders how India, more diverse than any other country in the world, has survived undivided

Here are some statistics on India. More than a billion people spread over a land mass of nearly 3 million sq km (the size of four Pakistans); twenty-eight thousand dialects spoken across 28 states and 7 union territories; fourteen official languages including Urdu, Punjabi, Sindhi, Bengali, Kashmiri, Gujarati, Sanskrit, Marathi, Telugu, Tamil, Malayalam, Kannada, Oriya and Assamese.

The population comprises 800 million Hindus, 120 million Muslims, 25 million Parsis, 23 million Christians, 19 million Sikhs, besides Buddhists and Jains. Hindus are further divided among 2,800 unique communities. The caste system has Brahman, Kshatriya, Vashya, Sudra, Scheduled Castes, Scheduled Tribes and Other Backward Classes.The Scheduled Castes are further divided into 450 distinct communities. The Scheduled Tribes have 461 distinct communities and Other Backward Classes are divided into 766 distinct communities.

This is a division like in no other country. All the possible fault-lines exist: religious, ethnic, linguistic, geographic and communal. And these divisions run deep. On top of that, for the past half-century there have been at least nine significant centrifugal movements seeking autonomy, secession or independence from India. Among them: Jammu & Kashmir Liberation Front (JKLF); Dalitstan Organization that seeks “independence for the Dalits, or black Untouchables, also know as Dravidians, the original inhabitants of the Indian subcontinent before the arrival and dominance of the Caucasian Hindus”; Free Tamil Nadu that “seeks independence for the Tamil people of south India and perhaps a union with the Tamils of Sri Lanka”; United Liberation Front of Assam that seeks independence of the State of Assam; National Socialist Council of Nagalim that seeks the independence of Nagaland and surrounding areas in the Northeast; Revolutionary People’s Front of Manipur (RPF) that seeks the independence of Manipur; People’s Revolutionary Party of Kangleipak (PREPAK); eighth, there has been a Declaration of Independence of the Sikh Homeland; ninth, National Liberation Front of Tripura (NLFT) in the state of Tripura.

Some of the above secessionist movements continue to allege that India is an example of “Brahmanist Imperialism” or that India is becoming a “de facto Brahman state”. In 1947, many had predicted that India, because of its uncounted diversities, would not be able to survive as a sovereign state. India, it was said back then, would be divided up in several small perhaps more homogenous states. They have all been proven wrong.

The Pakistan the Quaid gave us was practically all Muslim. We had one official language. But, within 24 years of Independence, we managed to lose half of what the Quaid gave us. General Yahya violated the basic principles of democracy and Bangladesh now celebrates March 26 as Independence Day and December 16 as Victory Day.

India is pathetically poor and so is Pakistan. India is the 29th most corrupt country while Pakistan is the 25th most corrupt. India is marginally more literate than we are. India has had 14 prime ministers; Pakistan has had 20. India has had 12 presidents (three were Muslim); Pakistan has had 11. We have had four military governments. India has had none. Pakistan has been split into two. India should have been split into four.

Just what has really kept Brahmans, Sudras, Muslims, Christians, Tamils, Dalits and Assamese together? What has kept India united?
India is democratic we are not. Could that be it?

You have partially replied to your questions.I feel India is intact because the political,social and religious leadership has been able to convincingly keep the people together.There are no major clash of ineterests between various groups/religions and there is the feeling of togetherness,tolerance.For example,I have many Muslim friends.They come to my home for giving their Wishes on Diwali,Holi etc and I go to them for Id.Most of us celebrate our festivals together.Celebrations on Christmas are to be seen to be believed.

yeah and the monkey man is an ISI agent.. :stuck_out_tongue: Deekay, have you forgotten about the BJP/VHP and their planned genocide against the minorities of Gujarat State, with many hundreds of people having their heads chopped off or being burnt alive by Hindutva mobs … and you call this a feeling of tolerance… :nook:

Not forgetting the genocide against thousands of Kashmiris by the tyrranical Indian Army and also 1000’s of violent attacks against Dalits and the minorities.

Yes India is a true democracy not.

may you should look at the following statistics for the 20 th century

Just what has really kept Brahmans, Sudras, Muslims, Christians, Tamils, Dalits and Assamese together? What has kept India united?
India is democratic we are not. Could that be it?

:nono3:

If India has got land difference of 2000 miles[other region states among them] it could have been split into four parts.

India is the 29th most corrupt country while Pakistan is the 25th most corrupt

Pakistan was rated 2nd most corrupt country in the world before Musharraf Regime, which means Pakistan is somewhat better in Dictatorship.

**Pakistan has been split into two. India should have been split into four. **

Bangladesh supports Pakistan on Kashmir

Moral :smiley: Political :smiley: Diplomatic Support :smiley:

**Hmm, is there a lesson here for those not so democratic? **

Look, who’s talking.

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*Originally posted by Deekay: *
...I feel India is intact because the political,social and religious leadership has been able to convincingly keep the people together...
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Try telling this to the families of the thousands of Muslims burnt to death by the Hindus, and over a hundered thousand muslims being forced to live in the refugee camps of Gujarat in India.

Typical blind Indians, burrying their heads in the sand.

For all your grudging and howling, India is still in tact and will remain one entity. The reason is given by the author himself and the idea of the article is for Pakistanis to ponder why their country, without any major faultline broke and is always in danger of being a failed state and further ruptures. Think about it!

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*Originally posted by dhir: *
For all your grudging and howling, India is still in tact and will remain one entity. The reason is given by the author himself and the idea of the article is for Pakistanis to ponder why their country, without any major faultline broke and is always in danger of being a failed state and further ruptures. Think about it!
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and India is not a failed state, huh?

Think about it>>Did 55 years of Democracy give basic facilities to common people in India?

PT: The fact there are poor people in India is not due to democracy. It is due to the following. Idiotic Nehru socialist plans, license raj, strict monetary controls. Which until 1991 made it harder for Indians to exercise true democracy. Politically democracy has been the greatest achievement. Economic rights have only been introduced in the last 11 yrs.

Within that time, you have had y/y growth around 5+%. Strides towards modernization, improvement in educational system, liberalization of ownership laws, revised taxation structure and many more. I hope this helped.

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*Originally posted by Pakistani Tiger: *

...Think about it>>Did 55 years of Democracy give basic facilities to common people in India? ...
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PT, we have to understand where Dhir is coming from (figuratively speaking of-course). He believes, that India with over 500 million starving or below the poverty line is a sign of a super power. He also believes that burning thousands of Muslims and sending over a hundred tjousand Muslims to refugee camps in India is a sign of a true power house :)

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*Originally posted by Chaltahai: *
Economic rights have only been introduced in the last 11 yrs.

Within that time, you have had y/y growth around 5+%. Strides towards modernization, improvement in educational system, liberalization of ownership laws, revised taxation structure and many more. I hope this helped.
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Lol ! Chaltahai forgot to mention a few facts about India.. Mr.Vital the Indian Corruption Commisioner has made official statements which tell of an Indian democracy ravaged with CORRUPTION. 40% of the Indian economy is based on black money.. now that is official. That surely must be a GREAT achievement for India :-P

DHP: In your hurry to post a dig at India you forgot a simple understanding of economics. If 40% of Indian economy is corrupt then that 40% is not even included in the GDP figures. So please change my previous offical growth rate to 9% a year factoring in the black market.

rgds Chanda,
CH

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*Originally posted by 2bornot2b: *
PT, we have to understand where Dhir is coming from (figuratively speaking of-course). He believes, that India with over 500 million starving or below the poverty line is a sign of a super power. He also believes that burning thousands of Muslims and sending over a hundred tjousand Muslims to refugee camps in India is a sign of a true power house :)
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2b, before spewing out anything inside you, you must see where there are any comments from me on why India is a super power or power house. It seems you are conscious of your drawbacks and showing it too. So everybody is so eager to show the drawbacks India has, and thats what the initial post said about too.

Why India is not breaking up, as dreamed by Pakistanis since 1947, that is the question and not 2 b or not 2b.

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*Originally posted by dhir: *
..Why India is not breaking up, as dreamed by Pakistanis since 1947..
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What nonsense. India is doing a good job of breaking up and lifting its secular mask all on its own. After 50 odd years of idependence, India continues to burn Muslims in their thousands and sending them to refugee camps.

Good Ol' Indians - blaming all their ills on Pakistan, including the 'monkey man' :)

pakistan split in to two barely in 30 years eventhough both are muslim
states.

Yeah, I understand pain in your whatever, but still this is what the idea of the thread is - if India has so many faultlines, it keeps on baking its minorities (sizeable), even the majority is divided, what is it that keeps it together despite of attempts by neighbours to encourage insurgency.

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if India has so many faultlines, it keeps on **baking
* its minorities (sizeable)...
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Yes, unfortunately there were horendous stories of Muslims receiving such treatment in Gujrat, much like what the Nazi's did to the Jews.

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*Originally posted by 2bornot2b: *

What nonsense. India is doing a good job of breaking up and lifting its secular mask all on its own. After 50 odd years of idependence, India continues to burn Muslims in their thousands and sending them to refugee camps.

Good Ol' Indians - blaming all their ills on Pakistan, including the 'monkey man' :)
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Well if you are so un-happy all you got do is to beat the 'monkey man'.

What you mean that you can't do that? mmmm I see.

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*Originally posted by BigBoss2015: *

..Well if you are so un-happy all you got do is to beat the 'monkey man'. .
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I think beating the monkey should be left to some of the Indians on this board. This is the closest they will get to a sexual experience :)

BTW - Did you go to the same English school as rvikz? or are you rvikz? :)

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*Originally posted by dhir: *

...if India has so many faultlines, it keeps on baking its minorities (sizeable)...
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Ah, what a proud day for the Muslim Burning Hindus of India.