Why gupshup is so dominated by overseas Pakistanis?

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Originally posted by fido:
*what i gather from your statement is that u have become to sentimental from whatever suffering u have faced, that u r unable to judge things more sensibily. *

No my friend, I look at the situation very logically and not emotionally. My example of the brother and the house was also used to convey the logic behind my argument.

*well bro liston, i wont like to blame u anymore as i know that u r likely to take it more negative than i could ever imagine, *

So essentially you are assuming what my response would be :)

** but ok if u say we mess the things up, we did, not either i will tell u to look at the other aspect as i know that your mind is to much overshadowed by the hatered with your own nation-ly brothres **

I dont have hatred for my country or for people there, I was simply stating the level of responsibilities and where it lies, and at the same time putting down some actual events. That is not hatred.

*pls give it a second thought, man we are 1, arent we.U are treating all in the sam way, yar if few are spoiled that dosent mean that every 1 is and even those spoiled 1 are like brotheren, arent they. *

Few are spoiled, correct...the issue is not just that there are people who actively messed the place up. There are others who did nothing to stop it, and yet there are others that although did not initiate the mess, definitely benefitted from it and know it. There are millions of people who had nothing to do to actually "initiate" the mess, but became partners in its growth due to their complacency, inaction and apathy.

*and hey its my country, and i give it a damn if u say that it is dirty or whatever, if some of the nations' sons dosent prove to b that good as they should b that dosent mean that mother is bad.my country is a pure land, though devils lives here but the land remains pure, no pakistani(including overseas) can never ever think of harming the Pakistan, and those who did they are not Pakistani, so if u want to blame n e 1 blame them, Please dont acuse the nation or the country. *

I cant accuse the land, but the land has a name of a country which has a nation. What does land do on its own, its the people.

P.S;i apologise if n e of my wordings hurts your feeling,

No man, no feelings hurt here. I think this is a very constructive discussion because it opens up some very interesting avenues and we can learn others' viewpoints..thats what it is all about.

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fantastic1 very good post, I think yo captured what every Pakistani feels and the dilemma faced daily.

What I would add though is that people have the ability to make impact. I dont believe that enough people in Pakistan did that.

It was a general apathy that led to it. There were those who were actively ripping off the nation, there were others who helped them, more that did not take an active part in it but benefitted from it and thus stayed aloof, others that knew something was up it was wrong, but felt inable to do much.

If people love the country they will try their best to make it better, stronger..or atleast prevent it from a downward spiral.

Its hard to make a change, harder still if as much as the people condemn it, they have taken part in the corruption and have a guilty conscience about it.

My last comments are on your following statement

*The Pakistanis that grew up abroad have nothing to do with the mess but than what people of my age have to do with the mess. We inhereted it. *

So people growing up abroad inherited a whole different set of problems and deal with it on a daily basis. It is up to the people inheriting problems what to do with it, make an effort to to something about it individually,collectively..which ever way.

*We grew up watching all this happening, there are no jobs, problems are increasing everyday. So we shall move out as well so that we and than our children can clame that we have nothing to do with the mess *

Your moving out would not end your responsibility but change the impact you can make and what you can do. Whatever the conditions are in pakistan, lets say if you move out and it keeps getting worse and worse, do you really think that your kids will feel that it is due to their inaction?

Exapts who left the country in its early days 50's and so left the country which had a different set of challenges, economy among that..of the family as well as of the country. A lot of the crap that started after that, their distance from the country and not living there prevented them from taking active steps on a local level to do something about it. Froegt about those of us who were born abroad or grew up abroad, what about those who left everything for a better life .... not just for themselves but for entire families.. and then they turn around and see what has happened every decade. Could you imagine the disappointment and bewilderment of those who had left?

Simply put there is no one who has no responsibility, but to assume that everyone has the same type and level of responsibility is incorrect.

What is the solution then, a french revolution type of action :)

[This message has been edited by Fraudz (edited October 03, 2000).]

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From someone who will be an ex-pat Pakistani (again) very soon, this is surely an interesting debate. :slight_smile:

Although the discussion was originallt intended to “Why gupshup is so dominated by overseas Pakistanis?”, to which I think that they have more farigh time and more farigh band-width and more farigh internet speed

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(in no specific order), I still believe the points raised in this thread are quite thought-provoking.

All the time, while I was away from Pakistan, I never, once thought that I am going to disconnect myself from my homeland. And now that I am leaving once more (probably for good), I neither intend to change my original feelings, nor do I find it necessary to explain my rationale for moving out to anyone.

Bottomline: We love Pakistan. We should help Pakistan whereever we are and we should try to do our bit to solve the problems facing Pakistan as much as we can. I guess this is what everyone feels, although they may write in different ways.

Adios!

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assalam u alikum,

"What is the solution then, a french revolution type of action :)"

yeah i will suggets that:) or something more likely to Ayat Ullah Khamini's( i know i did'nt spell correctly) revoloutin, but with the cooperation of both living here and their, whay u say?

Just Regards,
Fido
:)

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What i don't get an answer???
Why - i would like to know.
Why did you delete my post???

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aray bhai CM, just repost it, mod dewd may be busy with school/work/life etc.

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ok here goes.
Nilofer you are a bore, go away.

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Mod now don't delete that again.
I happen to know nilofer and that was my way of saying hello.
I can't figure for the life of me why it was deleted any way on to more important stuff like dessert.
My 1 penny worth on this post.

Pakistan is for the pakistanis.
So any and all pakistanis should do what they must to better the problem.
No matter who created the mess, if you can call it such a trivial thing.
Pakistani always say that it is someones mistake and they should clean it up.
But we should take care of our own country.
But i do say that if you really want to help pakistan go back and invest and build stuff thus causing employment.
Give money with not help pakistan but will only give the corrupt idiots more money.
I also believe living in the US or Europe and just sending money is taking the easy way out.
I mean no offense.
But physical investment will help pakistan and not monetary investment.
Something like NYA did in his home town/village is constructive, sending 1000 dollars a month is easy on the conscience but is it really helping the country???
However with the money there is no hard work and toil and working for the counrty.
Which money does not do.
I will go back to help my country.
But at the same time i will send money but to invest in companies and infrastructure.

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Muzna Gee,
sorry for this lil late reply, but i think in this case its more :

“Ghar ki daal murgi baraber.”

In my humble opinion this site gives us the oppurtunity to stay connected with our country, culture and our ppl, no matter where they are. It’s their thinking what counts.

NYA yara,
the trouble is that lunch break sometimes takes hours.

(ps supersonic???:confused:???:confused:???:confused:
Mannnnn, we’re getting developed

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pathwari,

LOL. Good point....I guess it depends on which side is your "ghar". Right?

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:slight_smile:

CM :- I think you are very right and very positive. Keep it up!!

Ppl Just have a glance at all the replies. This forum is really dominated by Oversees Pakistanis and Fido was right in the start.

I think that by closing our eyes we can never deny the responsibilities left for us by our ancestors and we are the ones who have to clean up the mess.

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ok ok, Muzna Gee, Ghar is negotiable. :)

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Johnny yes it is dominated by overseas pakistanis.
But i see no difference between the overseas ones here and the ones i know in pakistan.

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OVERSEAS OR MUQAMI WE ARE PAKISTANI.

The common ground on which we are connected with each other is our identity, our love, our passion and our quest to reach to who we love and we like.

It is a cyber love with Pakistan. A good friendship or a conversation with an overseas Pakistani or an inland (Muqami)Pakistani doesnt make a difference.

Domination should not be the concern. If one is looking for a Muqami(local) Pakistani he can start a new posting for local lovers.

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