Azzad,in your Pak version.The real version is only with India.
Kashmir is taken as disputed between India and Pakistan through out the World . Pakistani side is Azad, while Indian side is occupied and annexed by India as a state.
Kashmir is taken as disputed between India and Pakistan through out the World . Pakistani side is Azad, while Indian side is occupied and annexed by India as a state.
Your calling it Azad does not make it so ..... all of it is disputed .... anyway as for azadi it did not take UN to get it for Bangladesh
Re: Why doesn't the global media recognize the pro-Pakistan sentiment in Kashmir?
First thing. Under paragraph B 1 of Part 2 the tribesmen and other nations are to be vacated from Kashmir. This was done. It was upon this conditionality that India would remove its troops. It did not do so.
Secondly Paragraph B 1 of Part 2 requires Pakistan to begin the remove of its troops from Kashmir. Again we did so. We pulled out a portion of our troops as so required. India refused to do so.
In both cases the Pakistan government did what was required. It removed all the new elements. That is proven history. Then it started the removal of its troops. This can be seen again in any book on the Kashmir dispute. It is further strenghtened by the fact that the LOC was not established until 1956 I believe.
First thing. Under paragraph B 1 of Part 2 the tribesmen and other nations are to be vacated from Kashmir. This was done. It was upon this conditionality that India would remove its troops. It did not do so.
Secondly Paragraph B 1 of Part 2 requires Pakistan to begin the remove of its troops from Kashmir. Again we did so. We pulled out a portion of our troops as so required. India refused to do so.
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These are cock & bull stories ...... tribesmen were to move out as per the resolution of 1948 .... at that time Paksitan's stand was that they did not have troops in Kashmir ... hence no mention of Pakistani troops in the earlier resolution. But then when UNCIP went on ground to see the situation ..... Pakistan could no longer "hide"the fact that there troops were in J & K . Hence the UNCIP resolution for Pakistani troops to move out of J & K . Mind you the resolution calls for removal of Pakistani troops from Kashmir ...... not partial withdrawl. The language is clear.
. We pulled out a portion of our troops as so required. India refused to do so.
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See what the resolution has to say
(1) When the Commission shall have notified the Government of India that the tribesmen and
Pakistan nationals referred to in Part II A2 hereof have withdrawn, thereby terminating the
situation which was represented by the Government of India to the Security Council as having
occasioned the presence of Indian forces in the State of Jammu and Kashmir, and further, that
the Pakistan forces are being withdrawn from the State of Jammu and Kashmir, the
Government of India agrees to begin to withdraw the bulk of their forces from the State in
stages to be agreed upon with the Commission.
Did the commision notifiy the government of India on Part 2?
The language is very clear ... AFTER the Pakistani troops and nationals have withdrawn from J&K will India have to pull back its troops.
Let us not go by just the semantics over who is occupying what. If Azad Kashmir is so Azad, why dont you guys withdraw from Azad Kashmir and have a fair referrendum. This will force India to do the same.
We don't trust India to. India has repeatedly claimed that all Kashmir is part of India, so if Pakistan withdraws then India will invade and take over.
We don't trust India to. India has repeatedly claimed that all Kashmir is part of India, so if Pakistan withdraws then India will invade and take over.
There as per UN there can be no plebiscite. The rule for plebicite was both Pakistan and India withdraw from Kashmir and then the referendum would take place.
There as per UN there can be no plebiscite. The rule for plebicite was both Pakistan and India withdraw from Kashmir and then the referendum would take place.
No ...... India has to reduce its troop strength as per UN resolution after Pakistan has vacated completely from J&K.
This what the UN resolutions say
Re: Why doesn’t the global media recognize the pro-Pakistan sentiment in Kashmir?
Great … Infact almost all were unknown about the contents.Thank you aam… :k:
No ...... India has to reduce its troop strength as per UN resolution after Pakistan has vacated completely from J&K.
This what the UN resolutions say
Show me where the language and resolution from the UNSC which says complete withdrawal or any mention of the fact that all Pakistani forces have to be removed?
Secondly I would suggest you read books by Alistair Lamb on the matter. All the militias were removed. Historical documented fact.
Show me where the language and resolution from the UNSC which says complete withdrawal or any mention of the fact that all Pakistani forces have to be removed?
Secondly I would suggest you read books by Alistair Lamb on the matter. All the militias were removed. Historical documented fact.
(l) As the presence of troops of Pakistan in the territory of the State of Jammu and Kashmir constitutes a material change in the situation since it was represented by the Government of Pakistan before the Security Council, the Government of Pakistan agrees to withdraw its troops from that State.
When government of Pakistan agrees to withdraw its troops for J&K what does that mean ? Read the full sentence ... the presence of Pakistani troops is a "material "change in situation ...... very diplomatic way of saying you dont belong here !!!!!!
The day Alistar Lamb's book becomes a historical document i will personally hand over Kashmir to you.
Just to add one more thing .... UNCIP was to inform India about meeting the conditions of truce .... it was not India's responsibilty to verify "historical "documents and withdraw troops
Re: Why doesn't the global media recognize the pro-Pakistan sentiment in Kashmir?
It means Pakistan has to withdraw it's troops from POK immediately :)
We don't trust India to. India has repeatedly claimed that all Kashmir is part of India, so if Pakistan withdraws then India will invade and take over.
Using the same logic,how can India withdraw forces from Kahsmir?Pak will invade and take over .
Moreover Pakistan has to withdraw it's troops from Kashmir first and not India according the links supplemented by one of of the members.
So let Pakistan show a model to the whole world .
Re: Why doesn't the global media recognize the pro-Pakistan sentiment in Kashmir?
Another material change is
the 12,000 square miles of northern areas ceded by Pakistan to China in 1965.
After that there is no point in going back to the UN resolutions. No wonder Musharaf agreed not to insist on the UN resolutions. This is viewed as a concession by Pak but actually it is not.
Re: Why doesn't the global media recognize the pro-Pakistan sentiment in Kashmir?
Can you give the right to vote on freedom in balochistan?
Re: Why doesn't the global media recognize the pro-Pakistan sentiment in Kashmir?
hahahahaha........................... Pls do not put our Paki friends in confusion Chintu Sir. :)
Re: Why doesn't the global media recognize the pro-Pakistan sentiment in Kashmir?
quote As the presence of troops of Pakistan in the territory of the State of Jammu and Kashmir constitutes a material change in the situation since it was represented by the Government of Pakistan before the Security Council, the Government of Pakistan agrees to withdraw its troops from that State.
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The Government of Pakistan agreed to do so and started to do so. End of discussion on that point. Now point out where the conditionality sits that India has to wait for a complete withdrawal. Please do so.
chintu_bhopali the day the UN passes 3 UNSC resolution, constitutes a committee on the matter and provides Pakistan with legal obligations we will happily do so. Till then you guys plan on doing your part? Or is genocide still part of the definition of the Great Democracy India is?
Another material change is
the 12,000 square miles of northern areas ceded by Pakistan to China in 1965.
You people resort to such pathetic lies.
In 1963 Pakistan ceded 2,050 square miles in the Shaksgam Valley; and received about 1,300 square miles of land from China in exchange.
It's also hilarious to see how you Indians perpetually fail to mention the 17,000 square miles of land you lost to China.
Somebody' for the lost of land, liberated a place’ of 55,599 square miles and made it a `country’ where people inhibit. 
Re: Why doesn't the global media recognize the pro-Pakistan sentiment in Kashmir?
We can merge Pakistan, Afghanistan, India, Nepal, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, Nepal, Bhutan and call them USA..United States of Asia...with currency 'Ruptaka'