Re: Why doesn't the global media recognize the pro-Pakistan sentiment in Kashmir?
Let us not go by just the semantics over who is occupying what. If Azad Kashmir is so Azad, why dont you guys withdraw from Azad Kashmir and have a fair referrendum. This will force India to do the same.
Also what about the land gifted to China by Pakistan. Who is going to ask China to hold a referrendum. They would rather put a bullet somewhere !!!
Really interesting thought sTaLkEr bro!
Kashmir is pretty complicated issue and media bias is just one of the reasons. Let me try to answer the media issue first and then explore some other reasons too.
First and foremost it is a Kashmir issue. And the behavior of Kashmiris would play a much bigger role in terms of getting international support. It will be a mistake if we turn Kashmir issue to "Pakistan issue" or "Indian issue" only.
Remember the Western media gravitates to the little guy, the down trodden, the minority. So one can expect that kashmiri Muslims being oppressed minority, would immediately get the attention they need from the Western media. But they don't!
To understand this, we have to look at how Western media chooses to side with one of the other group. Melosovich was part of an orthodox christian leadership, and yet it lost support in the eyes of Western media. Why?
Western media further analyzes a group before putting their full weight on their side. The thing that bothers Western media is "culture" of the minority group. If that culture comes across as anti-Western or an oppressor, then the minority group in itself loses a lot of sympathy points.
The second point is how the supporters of the minority group treat Westerners.
In case of Kashmiris, their leadership goofed up big time. They are not "inclusive" and secondly do not come across as pro-West. Why it is so? Well we have to delve a little into Kashmiri history.
Kashmiri leadership started correctly by establishing a party called "National Conference" and that was inclusive in nature. It included Kashmiri Muslims, Hindus, and Sikhs. Due to many reasons, National Conference split and Muslim conference came into being.
Modern day Kashmiri struggle is mainly carried out by the decedents of Muslim conference (MC). Unfortunately MC is not inclusive. It doesn't raise the issue of non-Muslim Kashmiris. And that's why Western media is not sympathetic to it.
In some ways MC is using Jinnah's Muslim League (ML) formula. But unfortunately it doesn't have a shrewd pro-Western leader like Jinnah.
Remember Jinnah came across as much more civilized, polished, and pro-Western. And that helped him get a recognition in Western eyes. Even though Western media was much more impressed with Gandhi's "inclusive" politics, Jinnah still scored some points.
In addition to Jinnah, modern day Pakistani regions had two major entities that were pro-Western: Punjab-Frontier dominated army, and Punjab - Sindh dominated land lords.
Thus the charisma and lobbying of three pro-Western entities: Jinnah, army, and land lords resulted in pro-Pakistan (albeit to lesser degree compared to Gandhi and India) forces in the West.
Kashmiris lack all three of the entities, and that's why they do not get support from the West.
This is a very brief view of Kashmiris and their characteristics.
Off course to a lesser degree Pakistan's role has not helped Kashmiris either. Pakistan has not been very good to its minorities. Draconian laws like Hudood have sapped any support that Pakistan may have garnered these days. The West knows that if Kashmiris get their autonomy, they will do the ethnic cleansing just like Melosovich did in Bosnia. And an independent (or Pakistani-controlled) Kashmir will turn out to be yet another hot bed of anti-West militancy and terrorism.
And that my friend scares the wits out of Western media.
Good to see you agree that the Western media is:
As for the topic at hand. Giving up Kashmir will give the 17 other independence movements in India more backing and support than ever before. It would also lead to communal and ethnic strife in the country that is merely simmering at this point.
Additionally it will protray India in a negative light while the western agenda is to give it a big boost so that it functions as a counter to China.
According to the UN resolutions the ones Nehru agreed to, and the ones Nehru quoted state that India needs to vacate its areas first. Once that is done, the land will be handed over to an international force to conduct a plebicite.
In addition to Nehru agreeing to the Resolution and stating for 10 years that he would implement it, nothing has been done in Kashmir held by India illegally. Simply put the onus is on India to implement the resolutions. Not ours.
As for the Pakistani people. We have no problem with the independence of Kashmir or it being part of Pakistan. Just give the people their right to self-determination.
Again wrong....... Pakistani Kashmir is Azad, India has occupied the rest of it.
Azzad,in your Pak version.The real version is only with India.
Prove it! Don't misguide people with falsehood.
Who is misguidng who?Indian Kashmiri's are living in freedom.You pls pay a visit toI ndian kashmir and find out yourself.
Re: Why doesn't the global media recognize the pro-Pakistan sentiment in Kashmir?
How Kahmiris will trust Pakistan?It was even ready for a barter trade with China on the land of Kashmir.If the remaining Kahmir also goes to pakistan,who knows,you won't even sell Srinagar to China? No offence............
Re: Why doesn't the global media recognize the pro-Pakistan sentiment in Kashmir?
How about this. Give them the ability to vote and we will see who exactly they support and wish to join? After all a great democracy like India should really know the importance of giving a people the right to chose their own destiny!
Re: Why doesn't the global media recognize the pro-Pakistan sentiment in Kashmir?
Do not you know that elections are held in Kashmir ,as per Indian constitution? :D
There was an elected government in Kashmir that resigned recently.We will hold elections there and form a new government. :)
Lastly Kashmiris voted for Mr.Gulam Nabi's congress and also P.D.P and Mr.Azad formed a government enjoying outside support from P.D.P . :)
What else is required more?
Re: Why doesn't the global media recognize the pro-Pakistan sentiment in Kashmir?
If you can give them the right to elect a government, then why not give them the right Nehru agreed to 50 plus years ago?
Re: Why doesn’t the global media recognize the pro-Pakistan sentiment in Kashmir?
Those who dream about Plebiscite and biscuts can check this video 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yy-eSv-gA4o)
Re: Why doesn't the global media recognize the pro-Pakistan sentiment in Kashmir?
Answer the question. If you can give them the right to vote in an election. Why don't you wish to give them the right to vote on their own freedom and right of self-determination. After all the Great Nehru agreed to it and kept reiterating that he will implement it.
If you can give them the right to elect a government, then why not give them the right Nehru agreed to 50 plus years ago?
Mr.Nehru would have said and done many things like that.Later Indians have regretted off many of his actions.
He was good for nothing.He had even courtierd with Ms Edwina.Following his example,we can't run after each and every foreigner's wife. :D
No offence to anybody................
Answer the question. If you can give them the right to vote in an election. Why don't you wish to give them the right to vote on their own freedom and right of self-determination. After all the Great Nehru agreed to it and kept reiterating that he will implement it.
Mr.Nehru was wrong and he was weak also to make decisions.One example was that Indian troops did not capture POK in 48 itself.One of the Himalayan blunders in Indian history.
It's pathetic loss to China,that was just a crap force then in 1962.
Re: Why doesn't the global media recognize the pro-Pakistan sentiment in Kashmir?
So basically if a person is disliked, their government has no right to implement what it legally agreed to? Remember the Indian government agreed to implement the UNSC resolution and give the people of Kashmir the right to self determination.
That is the crux of the matter. Your government made a legal commitment and went back on it. Legally India has no right to lands it currently holds under occupation.
Re: Why doesn't the global media recognize the pro-Pakistan sentiment in Kashmir?
Mr.Nehru and his ministry right after independence was weak,barring Mr.Patel.I still do not understand how such a mistake,agreeing for a plebiscite in one's own land,could have been even thought for.I think later he would have acknowledged his mistake.
Anyway,No plebiscite in Indian Kashmir.
Re: Why doesn't the global media recognize the pro-Pakistan sentiment in Kashmir?
Typical. Your government made an international commitment for a plebicite. Yet you say no. Some democracy, when you can't even give people a right to vote on their own right to freedom.
Re: Why doesn't the global media recognize the pro-Pakistan sentiment in Kashmir?
No government will yield to a plebiscite.Why do we need to hold a plebiscite in Kashmir?It is as good as letting some Tom and dick to question the ownership of your own house.
Re: Why doesn't the global media recognize the pro-Pakistan sentiment in Kashmir?
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Because you already agree to it. You stated that you would and repeated that claim for years afterwards.
Now you are talking … UN resolutions are an open book … i can provide you the link & you show me which resolution states that India has to vacate first
Here is the link Security Council Resolutions
Another link kashmiri-cc.ca
The resolution to check is the UNCIP of january 5, 1949 … what does it say
After implementation of Parts I and II of the Commission’s resolution of 13 August 1948, and when the Commission is satisfied that peaceful conditions have been restored in the State, the Commission and the Plebiscite Administrator will determine, in consultation with the Government of India, the final disposal of Indian and State armed forces, such disposal to be with due regard to the security of the State and the freedom of the plebiscite
Now what is Part 1 & 2 of the commission resolution
**TRUCE AGREEMENT
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Simultaneously with the acceptance of the proposal for the immediate cessation of hostilities as outlined in Part I, both Governments accept the following principles as a basis for the formulation of a truce agreement, the details of which shall be worked out in discussion between their Representatives and the Commission.
(2) The Government of Pakistan will use its best endeavor to secure the withdrawal from the State of Jammu and Kashmir of tribesmen and Pakistan nationals not normally resident therein who have entered the State for the purpose of fighting.
(3) Pending a final solution the territory evacuated by the Pakistan troops will be administered by the local authorities under the surveillance of the Commission
As you can see this is a UN resolution & what does it say …
British have created the Kashmir problem for two mad dogs India and Pakistan to fight over a piece of bone. The world is enjoying this especially China. Look at the progress China has made. Looking at Beijing Olympics, you dont feel that China became independent after India and Pakistan. China is glad that it's two neighbors are busy fighting.