Why does Islam forbid lesbianism and homosexuality?

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Originally posted by PakistaniAbroad:
**Chagez_like, no it’s not..

let’s not trivialize this issue.. For me, it’s easy because I’ve reviewed this literature extensively and found nothing but fabrications and lies and concoctions.**

why not, Hadiths were compiled by human being (“to err is human, to forgive is Divine”), and there must have been political influence on people when who narrated hadith, and other influences as well. thats why I do not believe that ALL hadiths in ‘sihah sitta’ are free of errors/fabrications/lies.

I have reconciled my faith to the one true source..

best of luck, may Allah help you, help me, help everyone towards the RIGHT path, aameen.

**BUT..

the majority of Muslim Ummah derive guidance from these Books. No matter what the ‘scholars’ told you in person, their public stance is to support whatever is in the ‘Sahah-e-Sitta’ (The Correct Six).**

again, all these “scholars” are human, they might make mistakes, they are not DIVINEly figures, they are responsible for their deeds, I’m responsible for my deeds and my understandings. I read and take what “I” think is best and discard what is against Quran. I ignore the “praising” ahaadith which praise certain person, its upto Allah SWT in the end to decide, I do not make part of my faith.

Once again, washing your hands off irregularities in this text isn’t easy. Identify what went wrong. Whose research wasn’t complete or were the narrators at fault. If yes, reject ANYTHING else transmitted by the narrator and if that cannot be established, reject every word said by every person in the whole chain of narration because as we’re told, such was the ‘scrutiny’ shown behind the colleciton of these tales..

you have your criteria, I have mine. I can’t reject someone’s ALL words because he lied/fabricate/misrepresented knowingly or unknowingly. Some words would still carry some weight, and its upto you to judge.

Let’s show some ‘scrutiny’ and not just chicken out when faced with one of many contradictions and loopholes in this literature.

the use of word ‘chickening’ is a insultive to chickens, they will sue you in court of Allah, so be ready

http://www3.pak.org/gupshup/smilies/tongue.gif

back to the topic, as I said earlier, I have my criteria, I do not have to follow what “scholars” say, Allah SWT gave me the ability to read and understand and I will be judged for my understanding and deeds. I do give respect to the scholars for their efforts though and do follow in many matters.

May Allah SWT guide us all towards right and help us follow the right

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I will attempt to respond to Ibrahim when time allows and with a nod to doing a decent job of rebutal or discussion. BTW, I do appreciate the effort Ibrahim makes to explain what he knows and again I state that I do value the discourse and answers given.

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Originally posted by Adbulmalick:
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If this COMMAND of Allah were to be implemented - literally then half the Pashtoon population should have been stoned to death by now....

You have another thread: WHO /WHAT IS A HYPOCRITE?

You need to look no further!**
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excuse me but you can not point out all the pashtoons like that. that is so unfair. you gotta apologize for that. as for the people they should be punished... do you think it dooes not happen anywhere else..i am making it short..next time it is going to be a harsh reply if you wirte something like that

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Originally posted by Adbulmalick:
** I made 4 - FOUR observations; the last one - #4 caught your eye. Are you OK with the other three. Are you OK that your FIQH is based on sunnah/hadeeths and not quran!

Here is the reference re: THE GOAT ATE ITthat you seek:

"The fact that the ummah has willingly accepted [the Sahih al-Bukhari and Sahih Muslim] has led us to the opinion that it is obligatory (wajib) to act on what is written in these two [books], and this is an unanimously agreed view. People are obliged to act on a khabaral-wahid (a hadith reported by a single narrator) found in other books only when its chain of narrators is correct; and even then it would not create but only a strong assumption. And the same applies to the two Sahihs; but these two differ from the other books in that all that is in these two is correct and there is no need to examine them; rather it is wajib to follow them unconditionally. But as for the ahadith in other books, they will not be followed until their credentials are checked and they are found to fulfil the conditions of a correct hadith."

**This unconditional blanket acceptance of the ahadith found in these books has compelled our Sunni brothers to accept the theory of abrogation of recital (naskhut-tilawah); that is, they believe that recital of some verses was abrogated although the law contained in some of them continues. Two well-known examples of such supposed verses are the so-called verses of stoning (rajm) and of ten or five sucklings, which are found in Sahih al-Bukhari and Sahih Muslim and other books. [29]

And the hadith of Sahih Muslim explicitly says:

"Ummu 'l-mu'minin 'Aisha said, "There was among what was revealed of the Qur'an (the verse) 'Ten known sucklings create prohibition' (i.e., foster relationship). Then it was abrogated by 'five sucklings', and the Messenger of Allah expired and they were among what was recited of the Qur'an." [30]

Ibn Majah has narrated another hadith from 'Aishah which explicitly says that the two verses were lost after the death of the Prophet. She is reported to say: 'The verse of stoning and of suckling an adult ten times were revealed, and they were (written) on a paper and kept under my bed. When the Messenger of Allah (s.a.w.) expired and we were preoccupied with his death, a goat entered and ate away the paper. [31] **

It needs no great intelligence to see that this theory of abrogation of recital cannot be of any use in such cases. If a surah or verse was recited in the life of the Prophet and then it was lost either because the reciters were killed in a battle, or because a goat devoured it or for any other reason, then the question arises: Who had the right to abrogate a Qur'anic verse after the Prophet's death? Had any other prophet come after Muhammad (peace be on him and his progeny)? That is why Sayyid al-Khu'i has said, "It is clear that the theory of abrogation of recital (naskhu 't-tilawah) is exactly the same as belief in alteration in and omission from the Qur'an." [32]

Therefore we have to strictly adhere to the well established principle that any hadith going against the Qur'an must be discarded and 'thrown to the wall' - if it cannot be reinterpreted in an acceptable way.

[29] For the verse of stoning. see Sahih al-Bukhari, vol 4. p 179. 265: Sahih Muslim,vol. 3. p. 1317: Musnad Ahmad ibn Hanbal, vol 1 (Beirut: al-Maktab al-Islami. 1969) p. 40: Sunan Ibn Majah, vol. 2 (Cairo edition) p 853: Muwatta, Imam Malik, vol 2.p 623.For the verse of suckling, see: Sahih Muslim, vol. 4. p. 167: As-Suyuti, ad-Durru 'l-Manthur, vol. 2. p.

[30] Sahih Muslim, vol 1. p. 167: As-Suyuti, ad-Durru 'l-Manthur, vol2. p. 135.

[31] Musnad Ahmad bin Hanbal. vol. 6. p. 269: Sunan Ibn Majah, p. 626: Ibn Qutbah, Tawil Mukhtalafi 'l-Hadith (Cairo: Maktaba al-Kulliyat al-Azhariyya. 1966) p. 310 which has been misprinted as 210-: As-Suyuti, ad-Durru 'l-Manthur, vol. 2. p. 13.

[32] al Bayan , p. 224

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cool, so that means that the Quran is not complete and that we are foloowing somehting that could be eaten by a goat...
also it proves Allah's promise to take care of the Quran is not true...what a shame on you people. i thought Quran was supposed to be complete...now we find some missing links here....and malick by saying and believing in all this B.S. you mean to say that Allah(naoozobillah) is a hypocrite, that he promised to guard this book and could not..

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Originally posted by jaanaan:
** excuse me but you can not point out all the pashtoons like that. that is so unfair. you gotta apologize for that. as for the people they should be punished... do you think it dooes not happen anywhere else..i am making it short..next time it is going to be a harsh reply if you wirte something like that**
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YOU have a good point. But I was quoting from a research done by the clergies themselves. I'll post it if you ask me to.

In the meanwhile - my apologies to the pashtoons on board for hurting their feelings.