You see / read this question a lot these days - So why do you think He cares? Why do you think you need to fear Him if you did eat pig etc? Would he really care about such details? Why?
[PS. I know it’s a erm kinda question but since you see it everywhere I thought we might as well bring it up for discussion :)]
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You see / read this question a lot these days - So why do you think He cares? Why do you think you need to fear Him if you did eat pig etc? Would he really care about such details? Why?
[PS. I know it’s a erm kinda question but since you see it everywhere I thought we might as well bring it up for discussion :)]
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I think it is down to one's faith. some people would say that God does care about what we do. I would say God doesn't care what we eat or drink or wear. Its not like God is sitting up there somewhere watching people and whenever someone eats pork He goes, ohi,, Gabrial go down and slap that idiot who just ate pork OR, go and bring him/her in my office I wanna have a chat with him/her. Since God's creation includes Pigs, snakes, Cows and Sheeps it is up to human beings to decide which one of these animals can be used as food. God has no reason to interfere in OUR matters or probably has no authority for that matter.
let's not mix 'care' with 'holding accountable' here..
Yes God does 'care' about us.. we are His creations so he laid down some guidelines for us so that we can succeed in this life.. maybe some of these are a part of the bigger test of ascertaining who will follow His commands.
As for the other part.. no .. He won't strike you down with lightning if you do not follow those guidelines. It's upto Him to 'judge' you in the end and from what i gather... He's not into frivilous details.
The 'khudayee faujdaar's however relish the fact that they can order people around by prohibiting this and that by scaring them with God's wrath if they do or don't.
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*Originally posted by sabah: *
You see / read this question a lot these days - So why do you think He cares? Why do you think you need to fear Him if you did eat pig etc? Would he really care about such details? Why?
[PS. I know it’s a erm kinda question but since you see it everywhere I thought we might as well bring it up for discussion :)]
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u r admin here..u cannot even answer tht???...hmm "pretty sad"...by the way regarding ur questions,pig is not suitable for being use as eating..alcohol is also not suitble..this is quite discussion y they r not permitted for muslims...and i m not in mood to give here big reply..abt dressing,its abt haya of person and separates women from men and also to maintain women imaan..and by dressing,1 can create good positive things in other person minds....
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u r admin here..u cannot even answer tht???...hmm "pretty sad"...by the way regarding ur questions,pig is not suitable for being use as eating..alcohol is also not suitble..this is quite discussion y they r not permitted for muslims...and i m not in mood to give here big reply..abt dressing,its abt haya of person and separates women from men and also to maintain women imaan..and by dressing,1 can create good positive things in other person minds....
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What a pathetic reply. You don't have to reply when you don't know what to say. There is nothing wrong with drinking alcohol as long as it gives you pleasure and you don't abuse it. You can wear anything according the norm of the society you live in. I don't see people dying by eating pork. How would God know what to eat and drink, HE never eaten anything or drunk anything.
Sher assuming that Allah/God subscribes to human qualities like eating or drinking is rather stupid of you. Ignorance is no excuse for making ridiculous statements.
Admin it’s pretty simple. It is written. We aren’t to question that. We are not equal to God in any regard so how or how should mere mortals question what has been deemed right or wrong for us.
On a more philosophical note to place myself in Gods position, it would be a test of temptation. Every religion, pagan or monotheistic has placed temptation that in the form of women or gluttony as evil. This includes Christianity and Judaism. Judaism is even harsher than Islam.
Rules are used to define and judge us. After all why do we have to pray five times a day? Or pay zakat? Heck why is it stated that murder is wrong or stealing?
Just because one society in this case European doesn’t observe a similar set of rules doesn’t mean it is wrong or should be questioned. After all southern Bible belt Americans don’t and are not allowed to drink. Ask any evangelical.
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Sher assuming that Allah/God subscribes to human qualities like eating or drinking **is rather stupid of you*. Ignorance is no excuse for making ridiculous statements.
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*On a more philosophical note to place myself in Gods position, *
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What a pathetic reply. You don't have to reply when you don't know what to say. There is nothing wrong with drinking alcohol as long as it gives you pleasure and you don't abuse it. You can wear anything according the norm of the society you live in. I don't see people dying by eating pork. How would God know what to eat and drink, HE never eaten anything or drunk anything.
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Sher how many studies have you conducted on the ill affects or harmful effects of eating pork? I am sure you have a lot of data to back this up. Of course your god does not care about you, he wants you to do what makes you feel good. Where have I heard this before? hmmm Romans come to mind, and we all know what happened to them. Dont let my commentary get you down, go ahead make a mockery of Islam on this board and no one will say anything to you. You are protected by free speech.
Funguy the question it self requires you to answer a question which can not be answered within the bounds of human knowledge. Any answer given is that of one placing his or her opinion in view of what they think God's reasoning is.
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Admin it’s pretty simple. It is written. We aren’t to question that. We are not equal to God in any regard so how or how should mere mortals question what has been deemed right or wrong for us.
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If people would start to understand this, it would save a lot of time and solve a lot of problems.
The problem with writings is that they need ot be read in the times they are written in. From teh greatest of epics to the greatest of scriptures.
oh and don;t believe everything you read.
thanks,
matsui
^ Wrong.
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Sher how many studies have you conducted on the ill affects or harmful effects of eating pork? I am sure you have a lot of data to back this up.
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OK, I agree. But why couldn't God tell us it is not good for us because of it's adverse affects. Why just make it haraam?.
^^ Im reminded of the Prime Directive in Star Trek.
Everyone assumes that the laws are not whimsical, theres reasons behind it. Why werent the reasons specified?
Just to float the thought then, the reasons we know now about alcohol and pork werent known 100 years ago. Similarly we might find out something about their nature 200 years on that verifies that its better to avoid them for whatever reason there may be.
Alcohol ka to may aaj kal kar hi raha huun.. immense amount of literature abt it causing this that even in 'social' drinkers.
Don't bring alcohol into the picture. Alcohol's adverse effects are well known and documented, even in the old days.
actually depends on how old you go. sure the nasha was documented, liver disease probably wasnt.
but my point remains.. its impossible to specify reasons when our understanding of them may remain premature for a great deal of time.
and if eventually we come upon a decent enough understanding of those reasons to stay away from it ourselves, there would really be no point in telling us to do so.
Ravage, I would disagree with you on this particular point and as FUnguy said the ill affects of alchol were well known even in those days. I am just refraining from citing any example from history here with regard to the consumption of alcohol as I know there are more erudite people around who can back their arguments with authentic ayats and ahadits.
Just as a side note, both Surah Nisa and Surah Maidah (90) have indirect and clearcut/direct references and ayats on the consumption of alcohol.
okay okay so maybe alcohol ka pata tha. baqi sab ko to dekho. :-/.
Alcohol and gambling have been listed and so is idolatory... :)
the reasons for them you mean?