I know what you mean, Sadzzz. Yeah it’s pretty funny, this double standard.
Well in my household, us girls can and do wear sleeveless American and desi outfits (disclaimer: as long as the outfits look presentable). It isn’t frowned upon in my home and among our circle of family and friends, etc. and as Roman indicated, there is a time and place for everything…you wear what is appropriate at the proper place and/or event, cleavage or no cleavage. Hehehe.
^ sweetpie, it aint frowned upon in my family (as in the part that lives in OZ) either.. but yeah its personal choice
i dont wear sleevless, but i have my own reasons :)
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*Originally posted by MehnazQ: *
It's simple. You live in North American, right? If it is bothering you and if you cannot lift your gaze, you complain to HR. Yes that's right, you take it to management if you are truly disturbed by it. Most companies these days have dress codes and you cannot wear low cut, cleavage bearing tops to work. In fact, in a lot of companies, dressing provocatively is apart of the whole sexual harrassment code.
One of the lawyers at work was utterly disgusted with his assitant who was wearing ultra short skirts and would make it a point to cross and uncross her legs whenever he was around so she could flash him. Not only that but she would wear low cut tops. He complained to management and she got warnings and was eventually fired. He saw it as sexual harrassment and management took his complaint extremely seriously.
Anyway, my point is that most of the time the female will get a warning from management if it is really bothering you ... you just have to open your mouth and complain rather than gawk.
If you are walking down the street, you look away. I don't see how it is so difficult to turn your head or look in front of you rather than at bossoms around you.
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I have no problems with cleavage. Women can do whatever they want its not any of my business. The problem I have is such women have the nerve to blame men for looking once they do decide to dress up like sluts. You suggest lower your gaze or look away. Why should I? If you want to flaunt it then deal with the consequences.
So I am not interested in going thru a lawsuit just because some women insist on degrading themselves.
Oh so its because of my sick imagination that I am seeing cleavage? Guess I must be seeing things 
Hey if you want to support sluttiness and the degeneration of your own sex be my guest I am not complaining 
i didnt know sleevless things showed cleavage too 
sigh why do i even bother
^ i dont see women giving the name "slut" to one another.. thats a term mainly men use when their thoughts astray..
fine, women do show cleavage and they shouldnt, but its men who are the first to yell and scream toba toba just cus u cant get a grip on ur thoughts
I agree with this completely :k:
Ladies: no offense but this is a very logical train of thought here.
skhan, your problem is not cleavage. Your problem is lack of social manners. The unwritten rule is that staring at cleavage is inappropriate. It should be more subtle without making the female uncomfortable. It is her social prerogative to wear a cleavage. It's men's chivalrous responsibility not to make her uncomfortable by staring at it. Idiocy doesn't know gender. Women with cleavage that blurs everything else in the vicinity are as much idiots as the men who stare at them.
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*Originally posted by skhan: *
I have no problems with cleavage. Women can do whatever they want its not any of my business. The problem I have is such women have the nerve to blame men for looking once they do decide to dress up like sluts. You suggest lower your gaze or look away. Why should I? If you want to flaunt it then deal with the consequences.
So I am not interested in going thru a lawsuit just because some women insist on degrading themselves.
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Let's make something clear here. "I" don't flaunt anything.
Other than that, who seriously gives a damn? If a woman is showing cleavage, I am more interested in what she has to say to me and how she treats me as a person. I would befriend any of these "sluts" (as you have so affectionately termed them) any day over than a flaky and insincere person who covers up. I, and many other women, don't get all mesmerized and distracted by some flesh.
If a woman was really bothered that men were staring at her cleavage, then I would think she would start covering up. Simple as that.
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*Originally posted by sadzzz: *
^ i dont see women giving the name "slut" to one another.. thats a term mainly men use when their thoughts astray..
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Allahan just in this thread called such women 'slutty'.
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*Originally posted by Roman: *
skhan, your problem is not cleavage. Your problem is lack of social manners. The unwritten rule is that staring at cleavage is inappropriate. It should be more subtle without making the female uncomfortable. It is her social prerogative to wear a cleavage. It's men's chivalrous responsibility not to make her uncomfortable by staring at it. Idiocy doesn't know gender. Women with cleavage that blurs everything else in the vicinity are as much idiots as the men who stare at them.
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I didn't read skhan's response as one dealing necessarily with 'lack of social manners.' I mean, naturally if a woman is "hanging all out" it is sure to draw attention whether it's from a man or another woman. However, you're right as well...it is definitely good social etiquette to not make a woman feel uncomfortable by ogling and whatnot if in fact she does have it all "hanging out" as I like to say.
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Women with cleavage that blurs everything else in the vicinity are as much idiots as the men who stare at them.
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No I don't have the habit of staring at cleavage but I am sure others do. Ogling does and will take place. It's not a perfect world, not everyone has social manners. Those are the facts, they should be taken into consideration when women like you quoted decide to don their low tops.
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*Originally posted by Roman: *
Allahan just in this thread called such women 'slutty'.
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bummer!!! i knew id get wrecked
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*Originally posted by MehnazQ: *
Let's make something clear here. "I" don't flaunt anything.
Other than that, who seriously gives a damn? If a woman is showing cleavage, I am more interested in what she has to say to me and how she treats me as a person. I would befriend any of these "sluts" (as you have so affectionately termed them) any day over than a flaky and insincere person who covers up. I, and many other women, don't get all mesmerized and distracted by some flesh.
If a woman was really bothered that men were staring at her cleavage, then I would think she would start covering up. Simple as that.
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I am sorry I didn't mean "you" personally, just a figure of speech referring to women in general.
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Those are the facts, they should be taken into consideration when women like you quoted decide to don their low tops.
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roman is a woman!!!
sadzzz, would that change anything between you and me? :(
I think it all depends on how much cleavage you show her Roman.
roman, not at all.. we'll relate better this way
eww..a girl with a low cut on her kameez showing cleevage…i’m getting this mental image and i’m just cringing with disgust..
Yes sadzzz, we'd be like bossom buddies.