Matsui, tell me, at the end of the day, do those women actually feel proud of showing off their bodies or feel a sense of satisfaction? You're not a woman but ahhh I think they don't feel proud of it.
And also, at the end of the day, do women who wear hijab/niqab/abaya think, damn I didnt show XYZ my body? On their deathbed, will that be what they are thinking, that damn, I should have shown random people on the street my body? No way, I think you will probably be thinking, why didnt I start hijab earlier?
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FF, you are telling me that by wearing lowcut tops women are inviting trouble. Great, now you and Lawanti have something in common. IF a woman who is wearing a low cut to is raped, it is her fault, because morally she was inviting the encroachment.
IRA that is the point. Morality has nothing to do with wearing short or long tops.
AJ, it seems to me if people are sooo unhaoppy with their surroundings where everything they see is an affront to their beliefs, culture, religion, then why be here? If I hated the western world and if it;s tenets are so amoral then why subject yourself to such things. Wouldn't it be better to go somewhere where you don't have to deal with the "immoral" things
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Man is an evolving creature...When in Alaska, he learned to weather its cold by devising means to cover himself, when in the desert, he devised means to stay alive...The Eskimo didn't move because of the cold and the Kalahari man didn't move because of the heat, hence no need to move everytime the elements go against you...You adapt, just like Muslims do...
^ Actually youa re not most muslims Lajo, they do adapt and evolve like all other people in the world. Your type are too busy holding on the ways of the desert even on the north pole.
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^ Actually youa re not most muslims Lajo, they do adapt and evolve like all other people in the world. Your type are too busy holding on the ways of the desert even on the north pole.
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Remarkable observation Matsui...Were you always this smart, or did you become like this after being exposed to Muslims on GupShup?
So what do you think morality is? Being good, giving to the poor, being kind, thoughtful, sensitive? And where does showing your body fit into the spectrum? It’s obviously not immoral to you, but is it moral? What do you achieve anyway? Isn’t that the point of everything in life, to be happy and satisfied and at peace with your decision and to not have regrets? How exactly does showing your body achieve these things?
And look at how the guys in this thread are talking about women, like in the earlier posts and making tit jokes? is that exactly respectful? do you think women who dress provocoatvely get a sense of achievement and happiness out of reading comments like this? And would you ever hear these comments about a hijabi girl?
You wont believe the amount of respect girls who wear hijab and stuff get and I’ve seen girls who act and dress slutty get nothing but leers and guys talking about how hot they are and how much they’d like to screw them.
**Women who show cleavage are sluts.
Simple as that. To me it comes across as her compensating
or trying to make up for something else something major
which she doesn't have. What such women don't know is
that cleavage can never substitute for something major
like a brain, or modesty or self respect.
On a second note, gupshup is full of old perverts
who get a hard on just reading certain words. Munni,
I'm sure you got your answers.**
No matty when a woman is raped its because the man was ******* enough to force himself on another woman or was so worthless that there was no other way for him to get laid.
In all honesty if anyone is wearing provocative clothes for attention it shows their height of desperation. Leaving a country just because you don;t like soemthing about it is stupid as is adapting yourself to everything you see there good or bad. Customs and norms that we disagree with exist world-wide...doesn't mean you go and live on another planet to be happy nor does it mean that you don;t express your opinion regarding things u agree or disagree with.
It is amazing to see that when someone criticizes hijab, all the proponents jump on the wagon and declare it as a woman's right to choose (which it is, no question about it) but at the same time when some other woman chooses to show cleavage, they bunch up on the flip side.
Behind all this veil of piety lives the devil of hypocrisy.
Read your words Sarah. Wearing a lot cut top is neither moral nor immoral in America. Wearing burlap over head is neither moral or immoral in western society, at least in America. I would respect the woman the same if she wore a strapless dress or a sheet from Pottery Barn home from head to toe. I am glad you feel that morality is defined by what you wear and how you wear it in Pakistan. That is why you are there. And I am sure you wouldn;t want to come back to a place where morality is not according one’s dress code.
In all honesty if anyone is wearing provocative clothes for attention it shows their height of desperation. Leaving a country just because you don;t like soemthing about it is stupid as is adapting yourself to everything you see there good or bad. Customs and norms that we disagree with exist world-wide...doesn't mean you go and live on another planet to be happy nor does it mean that you don;t express your opinion regarding things u agree or disagree with.
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Why revolve the issue of 'provocation', 'seeking attention' and 'desperation' around cleavage alone?. How about women who show off skin by wearing sleeveless, tight jeans, tight t-shirts, high heels, etc. All those I am sure most of you who are against showing of cleavage do wear or have worn at some point in your lives. There are people who consider that as immoral as showing cleavage. What is your answer to them?. Where do you draw the line?
I'd suggest everyone to ask the women who wear cleavages on to why they do it. Some simple reason you might be able to explore are:
1- It's a way to attract men. Just like how men try to attract females for mating. Basic animal instinct. Women today like to take control of whom they want to sleep with. Flirtation, tease etc are all part of the game to get as big a pool as possible to choose from. If you're a woman and consider such behaviour 'slutty' then you're the first one who's denying yourself the level of gender equality society has to offer. Matsui is right. It's an affront to some convoluted upbringing and limited living.
2- Some women like their bodies and like to show off just like some men who work out and wear tight T-shirts to show off their muscles.
3- There is also a third kind but I usually am too mesmerised to ask. I should close my eyes first, I guess.
Matsui, I live in Canada. Alone. I do every friggin thing by myself. Am I more moral than women who show their body? Allah knows, but at least when I coem home at the end of the day I have no regrets.
Roman, the choice must have its reasons and I really do think that at the end of the day, you should feel no regrets over it. Soemone has yet to tell me what exactly those women feel when they come home.
I like the leaps people make. If a woman is wearing a low cut top, she is desperate. I am sure Heidi Klum is the most desperate woman in the world.
Like it or not FF it is silly to judge a persons morals by what kind of top they have on. Maybe the person isn;t desperate but comfortable in their dress. Just as you might be in the burlap. Neither is immoral..that is the point.
You wont believe the amount of respect girls who wear hijab and stuff get and I've seen girls who act and dress slutty get nothing but leers and guys talking about how hot they are and how much they'd like to screw them.<<<
Wah ji wah. So Hijab is worn to get respected? Does the self-respect mean anything to hijabi people?
Being good, giving to the poor, being kind, thoughtful, sensitive? And where does showing your body fit into the spectrum? It’s obviously not immoral to you, but is it moral? What do you achieve anyway? Isn’t that the point of everything in life, to be happy and satisfied and at peace with your decision and to not have regrets? How exactly does showing your body achieve these things?
I am sure Heidi Klum is the most desperate woman in the world.