Why do they hate us?

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Islam is a country....how many Muslims in the world will turn round and say Saudi law is not Islamic law?.....Iraq is not a develeped country is it....why not take malaysia, have they separated relgion from state?....east asian muslims are the main people involved in researching Islamic economics and financial institutions...

talking abt Turks as typically a Muslim country is like pinpointing Canada as typically Western?.....dont give me yr personal ataturk mushy admiration here plz.

the second point is also exaclt what it said....being less accepting is how it is meant to be!
hinduism koi thori hai kai bhuddism aya, and it changed to accomodate bhuddism...

western culture isnt all abt media and communication and openness....woh toa multiculturalism sai economy chalti hai, but where in politics do u see non-Christains/ non-Jews rising up in the West....ya foreginers can fuel thier economy, but decision-making is all by thier own...so what open arms are we talking here?

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Laws in Saudia Arabia are not Islamic laws. The ideas that existed centuries ago to contain and manage the barbarians of Arabia do not constitute anything but archaic livelihood. This is actually one of the main reasons Muslims are not liked. They flaunt around their ignorance and archaic ways of living. Their 'message' lack the likability of modern humans and lacks any sensibility to fit into lives.

I give you example. West promotes and proclaims equality and freedom. Values that anyone in the world can relate to. But these principles are not alien to Islam. Islam does uphold equality and freedom of choice at various levels but that message is never heard coming from world of Islam. It's always about few cheeda cheeda things--emphasis on few things like hijab, condemnation of pork/alchohol, premarital sex, cutting hands of theives etc etc. These sorta things hardly make up Islam.

As a matter of fact, there is more in common between the Western world and teachings of Islam than there are differences. But Muslims always show an aversion towards Western ideas and their message is always reactionary.

The other reason is Muslims always pose themselves as threats to others. The "ummah" concept that they hold so dear is nothing but a clear division of the wolrd. It's a world view that sees Muslims on one side and all others on the other side. When there is a such stringent view of the world, who would like you if he's not Muslim? Now, this strong sense of ummah may have been essential in the early days to thrive it as a religion but it's a silly thought at best to reach accross geographic/racial/economic/nationalistic bounderies to form an abstract bond with obsecure goals. Again, it does not fit.

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No. Because of a more condensed society the brits get to interact more with muslims and thus have a far greater understanding of Islam than say, in America. Muslims also have a far greater public role in the Uk. There is far more respect here and religious rights.

You get the usual racists every now and then, but its no different to any other country.

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Because we are better looking.

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This is a very good post!

As regards Ummah, I am not sure that even Muslims (atleast those I know) prescribe to it anymore. Muslims community is very fractured. Just go to any mosque and you’ll see the evidence of it – Arabs v/s South Asian Muslims etc.
In the society of ‘sound bites’ and ‘buzz words’, the concept of Ummah is a vehicle for peddling fear by the likes of Daniel Pipes et al.

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No no no OG…One must not forget history…

It was not the Muslims who in the previous centuries and this century have killed billions…

Do you need me to reiterate the instances to you?

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Really? Name one successful implementation of this nonsensical blend of governance and religion? This is the biggest failure of islam. Not an asset

next time I hear hindu influence on Paki society..I should remind them poster of this. :hehe: Vaisey, apni shaadi mein kaunsi rang ki choli hai aapki?

this is absolutely true. Muslims are the only people in the world who try to emulate a world of past millenia..part of which is carrying chips on the shoulders that can last over 500 years. US private equity firms just invested another $250M in Japan. Siht we bombed them only 50 yrs ago.

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Okay.

  1. Because arabs talk with that throaty-gollum kind of sound. Makes you think the guy is hacking up the chicken bone from last night's dinner.

  2. Because desis smell. As children, we are not taught how to be hygenic. We learn, unfortunately, when we get into the "West" and someone politely gives us underarm deoderant as a gift. No wonder Americans hate muslims. They had to deal with our BO during gym class in high school.

:)

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^ hahaha...

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Well if we are different then the standards that measure us should be different as well. You cant compare a military hummer with a z71 silverado, you have to lower your standards. If “they” can accomodate us why cant we accomodate them?

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Correction! Someone needs to tell them that there are human colonies beside You Knighted Estates. Only then one can ask whether they are jealous or not?

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i,ll say what i think is the reason(s).

Why muslims hate the west. Because majority of us are bigots. Islam teaches us tolerance and equality. Yet we are the biggest racists. We have this false sense of superiority where we think we are the best religion/nation in the world. But that only stays there, we have no actions to back that sense of superiority. Infact its quite ironic that islam teaches honesty and all the good things, yet muslims states are some of the most corrupt in the world. Take an example of our own motherland, Pakistan. Now compare the day to day system of pakistan with some of the western communities.... I see a lot more honesty and transparency in their systems than ours. What good is ur islamic justice when the cop is gona take 500 rupees and let someone go anyway?

I consider muslims today the biggest hypocrites of this world unfortunately. Because they call themselves muslims and have this sense of superiority and then they do all the bad things that are supposedly haram or not allowed in islam.

Now compare that to a western society. Hay its perfectly fine to drink, have a girlfriend, just go to a bar/nightclub, dance the ngiht away, if u pick someone up... take them home. Its all 'acceptable' in their society. And they do it... so no ones doing anything wrong. Other than that their normal day to day system is a lot more efficient, people are civilized, a lot more polite, and honest(Exceptions exist on both sides). Now who are you to call them beghairat and baihaya when they are not doing anything baighairat or bayhaya according to their own soceity's norms? while you, mister big ass muslim, drink, screw around, lie, offer bribes, and do everything else behind closed doors. Which is all 'unaccpetable' in ur society/religion.

Another reason, media on both sides. This i,d have to say, western media does play a big role in magnifying that hatred for muslims among the westerners. Too much of negative propaganda on CNN, BBC, and thats all they watch. Sometimes, things might be bad, but not AS bad as whats shown or portrayed in their media. That increases hate on both sides,,, them seeing their own channels and papers and stuff and making up wrong opinions and assumptions about an every day muslim. And vice versa.

West still doesnt understand what islam is. And muslims, lets just say,,, islam is a way of life, and not about bowing 5 times a day reading something in arabic which majority of u dont even understand. Its not about little kids reading quran in arabic thinking they are getting 10 naikies for every harf they are reading, while not understanding a single word they are saying. You want respect? you earn it. What have muslims done to earn it? back in the early days, islam spread because of the teachings and how impressive they were in their day to day lives.

majority of the west still thinks islam teaches oppressing women. What they dont understand is,,, 1400 years ago. women were treated like animals, worse than than animals. Islam changed that. and gave women back their honour. but they dont look at it that way. cos they dont know any better. and no one is helping them understand either. We are too busy cursing their supposed baihayaee.

Also, us muslims should realize that islam is a way of life,, a progressive way of life. The basic principals are the same, but that doesnt mean u still have to ride a camel cos the Prophet PBUH did. Cars are halal too u know. and Allah isnt gona whip you if ur beard it an inch shorter than the mullah giving the sermon. One should move on with times. Pray, be honest, tell the truth, be nice to poor, , help the orphans,, that all remains the same, but come on. Doesnt mean you have to still live in the 7th century. Move on. Adopt good things from others, learn new technologies, get education. If someone knows more than u. you learn from him and try and move forward. and maybe........ learn ur own religion. The real one. the PT you do 5 times a day without knowing what ur saying or reading that big book in arabic and kissing it without knowing what it says wont get u far, in this world or the next.

The west should try and change the stereotypes as well. They should educate themselves more about what real islam is as well, and what it teaches, instead of looking for all the negative things, they should for a change, try and focus on the good things. Reading about 3 psychotic idiots in the paper who blew up a building and killed people in the name of Allah calling themselves muslims shouldnt make them hate their muslim neighbour who works hard at the fruit market to earn some money for his family.

tolerance. education.

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:hehe:
lol@ pcg’s post.

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Kaka well said. My sentiments exactly :)

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hahah... good post kaka.

The lub-ay labab ya bottom line is that the message or reaction that comes from Muslims always sounds 'anti-pragmatic'. Western world built itself on pragmatism after the dark ages. Yes, there are neo-cons and there are ultra conservative religious zealots there who still have long standing crusaders mentality, and yes there are some racial undertones there as well but that all does not make up the whole West. What West fully composes of are the ideas and civilization it has harboured in past few centuries.

They have brooded, defiled, and rejuvenated Galileos of the world. That's full life cycle of pragmatism.

Islam does signify pragmatism. It was indeed a 'new and practical thought' given the social conditions of the society at the time. The laws and decrees of those times are proof of that. Those notions and ideas were pragmatic according to those times. But Muslims always go by decrees not the spirit. That is why they are 'ignorant'. They cannot translate the spirit into modern times. That is the message that has been missing by Muslims. They do not know that 'Islam' as they know it was meant to be an example of a course of action or approach, but it is not the approach itself. Nothing can be because every situation is different.

I think this anti-pragmatic sentiments are the main reasons that Muslims are disliked in the West.

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^ I had a thread up last night on the same thing. Some fools were arguing that the Prophet makes a better medicinal doctor than modern doctors do. I think the thread got trashed, but whatever. That thread was proof to what you're saying here.

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PCG, how could they hate you..you are such a cute little thing.

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Acha? So what do you want, freaking pat on the back or something? :rolleyes:

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Yes..a pat on the back is a fine start, Roman. Start there.

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Mein bhi wohi keh rahi thi Roman ko, lekin kya karoon - woh numbskull samaj tha nahi hai.