Why do the we say the Religion comes first?

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I have floated this thread, to just ask this common question and I feel arguing about Country or Religion is of no use. This is what I could infer.

The Question is Why do the Muslims or any human who believes in God say that Religion comes first and not Country.

(I want an answer from Muslims why do you say religion comes first, whats the reason).

Please answer.

Thank you.

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the first thing that comes to my mind...is that once we are put in the grave, we will be asked to testify our deen, not our nationality..thus it is of more importance to give priority to relgion, and not country. :)

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Just like country, religion is also a superficial and worldly thing which was imposed upon you based on the place and parents you were born to. I can always switch my religion and my country if I want to. But I’ll never be able to switch my self, it will evolve and change gradually with time.

I rank humanity (self) higher than anything else, humanity (maanavataa, insaaniyat) is a very special word, it pertains to all the human beings in the universe and also to what one self believes one should do as a human (morality).

Religion can mean humanity if religion is meant to instill humanity in it’s followers and then it will rank high up with humanity. But not if you (yo_wasim) rank religion over country or everything else because it promises you heaven (http://www.paklinks.com/gs/showthread.php?t=221426&page=4). And I am not quoting you out of context here, you repeatedly cited that reason. And I was hoping in that thread that being a religious and learned person, humanity will be the first point you’ll quote.

Ideally, a religion or a country’s constitution should be based on humanity, but that does not happen in the real world.
Ideally no country should invade any other country.
Ideally there should not be any need of a country.
Ideally no religion should try to compete against other religion.
Ideally there should not be any need of a religion.

How can you go to heaven by blasting innocent people, no way.

A question
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Because Allah doesn't care about what country you're from, but He looks at which deen you follow.

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As salamualikum

loving your country is also a teaching of islam. Follow the rulers of your country, if they do not force you to act aginst islamic rulings. So It is not religion comes first but it is like this "orders Of Allah Comes first because we are the slaves of Allah not slaves of worldly people.."

wassalam

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Your acting like that girl who was banned.. umm hafsa i think? lol

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^yes she sounds like her.

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wasim is not a she ;)

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I am not interested in this thread, but want to know one thing. for everything you guys keep looking at references from quran or hadeeth and also take those verses very literally. can you quote some thing about this over here?

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I think your having a personal grudge with me buddy. LOL.
I want a basic question, why do you beleive in religion.
Cricketpalya, grow up yaar, please your a typical sub continent insular guy, who sees every one a thorn.
Typical tj GUYS, who want to create a fuss everwhere I am asking a simple question if you can answer fine otherwise I can get personal like you and with truth.
Forget it your those sissy types

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for everything you guys keep looking at references from quran or hadeeth and also take those verses very literally. can you quote some thing about this over here?
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still no answers?......again i will ask, where does your scriptures say what comes first?....religion or country?....is it really a parameter to enter to 'your' heaven?. Or this whole thing of what comes first, is invented by some radicals so that they can destroy every other faith in this world and in the end dominate this world (UMMAH)?.... i want direct quotes from your scriptures as you guys are very fond of looking for anwers in them for each and everything .

BRIDAL PICS.
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Nothing is mentioned like this in Holy Quran. Its the different opinion of different scholars.

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This is because the concept of state in Islam is altogether different.

In Islam, obtaining a state in itself is not the sole objective and an end point. In Islam, obtaining or having a state is a mean to establish something which is a deen.

Secondly, nationalism is not defined based on race, geography and ethnicity in Islam. It is defined based on "Aqeedah/Ideology". In Islam, to become a member of this Muslim Ummah, all you need is one Kalimah, thats all, no race, land or language etc.....

Thirdly, keeping a country above religion is a type of "Shirk". When a anything superceeds Allah's will, command or order, or system, it becomes a SHIRK... so treating a country in this manner is a form of Shirk in my understanding.

Thats what I believe. Correct me if I am wrong. :)

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tahirbhai.....i knew you would anwer this, so am actually expecting answer from others

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No problem dude. Although, my reply above given an answer to the thinking mind, I'll still answer your question. :)

Before I answer you, I need to know your understanding of a few terms so as to see what you know about and what is the level of explaination I have to give to you. You cannot ask anything like this before you understand the relation of one thing to the other and how they are interlinked, nor you can impose any condition on us to give you an answer which "de-links and disrupts" an ideological concept.

I am sure you are wise enough, not to ask us a question in this manner.

What is your concept of "Tawheed/Shirk" in Islam?

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Br, singh the question of this thred is wrong as i also said before. Because people do not know what is religion exactly. I follow islam and loving your country is a message of islam. so why people ask what comes first. normally people think islam means go and sit in masjid.

wassalam

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Loving everything is a message of Islam but this love must not superceed the love of allah. If it does, it becomes shirk.

Walaikum salaam

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first of all get over with your idea that those who agree with your thinking has a thinking mind (no offence in this statement)....as all people cannot think in a same manner and all fingers are not the same

absolutely nothing wrong in my question....i asked it, the same way, some over here ask others to come to their faith. Besides, i didn't question any teachings of your faith. and moreover, it is a well known fact about 'ummah'

tawheed means one god, but definitely not one religion. if it is not, you should correct me.

shirk is only applicable to muslims i.e, attaching attributes to god (personal aspect).....if these are applicable to everyone quran wouldn't have said "your religion is yours, mine is mine".......again correct me if i am wrong

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does 'must not be superceed the love of allah' means 'must not superceed your religion' ?.....and your statement could have been justified if majority of the people in this world did not believed, feared and loved god. is it really the case?, definitely not. i hope you understand, in short, everybody in this world believes or loves god.

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Never meant to convey that message, however, I must have cared for there are those who need to know.

Okay, I give the direct answer to your question here. I don't wanna lengthen it.

**As for those who divide their religion and break up into sects, thou hast no part in them in the least:* their affair is with Allah: He will in the end tell them the truth of all that they did.* *[Yusufali 6:159] *

And verily this Brotherhood of yours is a single Brotherhood, and I am your Lord and Cherisher: therefore fear Me (and no other).[Yusufali 23:52]

But people have cut off their affair (of unity), between them, into sects: each party rejoices in that which is with itself.[Yusufali 23:53]

The same religion has He established for you as that which He enjoined on Noah - the which We have sent by inspiration to thee - and that which We enjoined on Abraham, Moses, and Jesus: Namely, that ye should remain steadfast in religion, and make no divisions therein: to those who worship other things than Allah, hard is the (way) to which thou callest them. Allah chooses to Himself those whom He pleases, and guides to Himself those who turn (to Him).[Yusufali 42:13]

" ...People should give up their pride in nations because this is a coal from the coals of hell-fire. If they do not give this up Allah (swt) will consider them lower than a lowly worm which pushes itself through khur (feces)."
*[abu Dawd and Tirmidhi]. *