Why do Sunnis have a problem with Matam?

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Re: Why do Sunnis have a problem with Matam?

@shardmanny

i said the shia started out with this shirk belief. you can read about ibn saba, heres a snippet:

“After ‘Alī’s assassination, ibn Saba is said to have taught that ‘Alī was not dead but alive and had never been killed, that a part of the Deity was hidden in him and that after a certain time he would return to fill the earth with justice. Until then the divine character of ‘Alī was to remain hidden in the Imams, who temporarily filled his place”

If you have, by any chance, an ounce of shame and honour in you, then you are asked to abandon the ancestral deceit and cite authentic source with full chain of narration of the allegation you have just leveled above.

FYI, Ali bin Abi Talib himself is said to have killed Ibn Saba during his life hence I assume you are referring to the ghosr of Ibn Saba.

although that account is contested by them. so we need a current example which the nusairi shias (20% of syria) oblige, their shahada:

*“I bear witness that there is no god except Haidar ,
and no screen covering him except Muhammad, the honest and trustworthy one,
*and there is no way to him except through Salmaan the all-powerful.” *

(nauzubillah)

Again, this shows the height of stupidity and ignorance existence within you, there is hell of a difference between Nuseries and Shias yet you have mixed up the both just in order to achieve your impure task of maligning the Shias.

edit: btw the rajah (reincarnation) part of the ibn saba statement is a belief held by twelvers today

The first part has been refuted by me above, but FYI, Sahabi Abu Tufayl (ra) also believed in Rajah so you better pass your Fatwa of Kufr against once of your ‘sweet’ Sahaba.

*Imamate is a divine station like Nabuwwat.

If you had ever bothered to a book of Muslims which is called Holy Quran (surah Baqra verse 124) you would have come to know that it was Allah who had granted Imamate to Abraham (as), so if you deem Shias Kafir for believing that Imamnate is a divine station like Nabuwat, then you first better pass your fatwa of Kufr against the said two exalted personalities.

This implies that Sunnis, who do not believe in Imamate, are unbelievers.

You dont have to deduce conclusions on the basis of conjectures. You are not eligible enough to derive as to what is ‘implied’ by Shias! Btw, at least the station of Imamate is found in Quran while there is no such thing as Khilafat e Rashidah yet you deem the rejecters of the Khilafat of first two caliphs as Kufr, so you better come out of dreams.

** THE STATUS OF THE IMAMS*
The Imams possess more knowledge than the Ambiya (a.s). They are superior to the Ambiya and the entire creation. The Imams can bring the dead back to life. No knowledge of the heavens and the earth is hidden from them.

Again you have lied in some of your statements, Shias believe that Holy Prophet (s) is the most exalted and superior personaility in this entire universe. As for bringing back to life, then you first need to answer how come Shaykh Abdul Qadir Jilani was capable of the same? His rank was obviously inferior to that of Ali bin Abi Talib (as)! If you have no objection with Shaykh Abdulqadir having that capability then only a Nasibi can have objection against Ali bin Abi Talib (as).

understatement. whats worse is the shia (twelver) criteria for accepting hadiths. they criteria is if it fits in to their beliefs its good. they dont even have a concept of ‘sahih’

Again a deception on your part, in short, Shia scholars have written a number of books on Ilm al Rijal.

theres many many quran ayats they point blank refuse to accept aswell

On the contrary, Quran directs us to take witnesses at the time of divorce yet its you who reject the verse and deem it not necessary to take the witnesses.

the shia religion (eg ahle tashi) is designed to be at odds with the sahaba ra, and something which you will hear very little of- they detest ahle sunnah (view all sunnis as nasibis, kaffirs)
dictionary the word ‘apostate’

Shia believe is that if a Sahabi was pious and adherent of Prophet and his Ahlulbayt (as), we cannot even be comapred to shoe dust of such a Sahabi where as if a Sahabi on the contrary hated, abused, cursed, hurt or faught against Ahlulbayt (as) then dont expect us to respect such an individual !!

the basic twelver belief from which cursing comes from:

** VILIFICATION AND APOSTASY OF THE SAHABAH (R.A)*

The Sahabah were guilty of willfully distorting and corrupting the Deen of Muhammad (SallALLAHo Alayhi Wasallam). They turned renegade after the demise of Nabi (SallALLAHo Alayhi Wasallam) except the immediate household of Nabi (SallALLAHo Alayhi Wasallam).

(nauzubillah)

You hd better checked your own ‘Sahih Bukhari’ before typing ‘nauzobillah’ !
Sahih Bukhari, Volume 8 Hadith 578
Sahih Bukhari, Volume 8 Hadith 584
Sahih Bukhari, Volume 8 Hadith 585 = implies that some Sahaba turned renegade after the demise of Nabi (SallALLAHo Alayhi Wasallam).

shia (twelver) belief:

** THE INTERPOLATION OF THE NOBLE QURAN*

The Quran is incomplete and distorted in its present form. This tenet had been explicitly propounded by the classical scholars of Shiaism, but frugally denied by the contemporary scholars.

if any shia individual believes in the quran with the full respect the quranpak deserves than i would congratulate them. i hope they do but merely spoken words coming from a shia are not to be accepted due to the taqqiyah belief. for indepth comprehensive insight into taqqiyah see the gift2shias article

Following is the list of Sahaba and Tabayeen whose testimonies are recorded in authentic Sunni works which clearly imply that they did not believe in the Quran we have today in our hand:

Ayesha
Hafsah
Umar
Ibn Umar
Uthman bin Affan
Aban bin Uthman
Ibn Abbas
Abu Musa al-Ash’ari
Ubai bin Ka`b
Abdullah Ibn Masud
Abu Muawyah
Urwah bin Zubair
Hasham bin Umro
Harun bin Musa
Zubair bin al Harees
Akramah
Abdullah
Yahyah bin Abu Bashir
Saeed bin Jubair
Ismail Makki
Qatadah
Hassan Basri
Ubaid bin Zuhaak
Mujahid

So you first better pass your fatwa of Kufr against these figures or maintain silence because you cannot practice double standards and have one rule for one group of people and another rule for the other!!*