One of the main obstacle to their receiving a positive response from us is their tenet of taqiyyah (deception), by the application of which, they reveal to us other than what they have in their hearts. The simple-minded Sunni is deceived by their pretentious display of the desire to overcome our differences and reach a common under- standing between us and them. In fact, they neither want such a thing nor approve of it. They do not strive for it, but rather leave it to the other party to come the full distance to their position, without exerting an effort to make any move from their side. Even if those Shi’ites who practice taqiyyah were to convince us that they have moved a few steps in our direction, then the multitude of Shi’ites, be they ordinary people or the scholarly elite, would stand apart from those who adopted the ruse of objectivity towards us, and they would not recognize them as their representatives; this because their actual belief does not permit them to reconcile themselves with us.
‘Taqiyya’ is the concealment of the inner belief of ones faith and convictions before the opposers for the purpose of preventing the worldly, spiritual and religious losses, and it is one of the legal duties of every Muslim, having its roots from the Holy Qur`an.
Taqiyya from the Qur`anic point of view:
The holy Qur`an had many verses in this regard that we shall mention a few of them:
“Let not the believers take the disbelievers for their friends rather than believers; and whosoever does this, he shall have nothing of the guardianship of Allah, but you should guard yourselves against them, guarding carefully,..
Al-Imran: 28.
This verse clearly testifies to the reality that friendship with the non-believers is not permissible except with the intention of taqiyya, protecting the self and preventing dangers. Only in such a circumstance, can he apparently show friendship and agreement with them,
“He who disbelieves in Allah after his having believed, he is not compelled, while his heart is at rest on account of his faith, but he who opens his breast to disbelief- on such is the wrath of Allah, and they shall have a grievous chastisement.”
Nahl : 106.
The interpreters mentioned the following regarding the cause of revelation of this verse,
One day, Ammar bin Yasir and his parents were persecuted by the infidels, and the non-believers forced them to give up Islam and admit of infidelity and polytheism. Ammar’s associates all witnessed to the oneness of Allah and the message of the Honorable Prophof Islam, thus due to this, a group of them attained martyrdom and the rest died under torture by the enemies of Islam, however, Ammar, inspite of his inner wish, did ‘Taqiyya’ and apparently replied them with the tongue of the infidel and got free.
Later on, when he approached the messenger of Allah in a state of penitence, he was very anxious of what he had uttered and thus the prophet consoled him. After which, the mentioned verse was revealed in this regard.
Considering this verse, and the opinion of the commentator of the verse, it becomes evident that concealing ones inner belief for the purpose of protecting ones soul and also preventing any spiritual or material loss, was also experienced right at the time of the holy Prophet and is therefore accepted by Islam.
‘Taqiyya’ From The Shia Point Of View:
Right from the period of theUmmayid and Abbasid governments along the lines of history, they had combats against the Shia and were prepared to kill them under the slightest provocation, the Shia resumed to ‘Taqiyya’according to the command of the Holy Qur`an. They concealed their true beliefs thus saving both their own lives as well as the lives of their brothers in those difficult circumstances.
It is clear that in that atmosphere of oppression and suffocation, there was no other way imaginable other than that of ‘Taqiyya’ for the freedom from the deluge of oppression that was threatening the Shia of destruction. Thus in the case where the oppressing kings and their stooges did not happen to have any enmity with the Shia and didn’t make their merciless killing as the vignette for their governments, there was perfect reason for the ‘Taqiyya’ of Shias.
It is necessary to mention that ‘Taqiyya’ is not exclusive to the Shias only, rather other Muslims also resorted to ‘Taqiyya’ before the blood-shedding enmity that opposed all the Muslim sects (as the Kharijites and the opposing governments who committed any forbidden act) when could not confront them, thus concealing their inner belief in order to protect their lives.
Therefore, if all the members of the Islamic society had understanding with each other in their jurisprudential sects, and lived with unity and harmony with each other, there remained no reason to adopt‘Taqiyya’ among the Muslims.
Result:
Of the sum of what has transpired, the result is as follows:
Taqiyya has a Qur`anic root, the prophet’s companions practice, and the honorable prophets approval is a clear evidence of its occurrence and permissibility right from the early period of Islam.
The motive of the Shias ‘Taqiyya’ was preventing the merciless massacre against the Shia and the storms of oppression which threatened this sect of destruction.
‘Taqiyya’ is not exclusive to the Shia, but also exists among other Muslims.
‘Taqiyya’is not restricted to precautionary concealment before the infidels and concealing the Islamic beliefs, however, the criterion has a broader meaning which is the protecting the Muslims life. It is necessary a matter, to conceal the inner beliefs before any blood-shedding enemy whom they don’t have the ability to resist and before whom the conditions for combat are not prepared.
In the case of mutual understanding among the members of the Islamic society, there remain no grounds for ‘Taqiyya’ among the Muslims.
Refer to Al-manthoor, (wirtten by Jalal Al-deen Al-Soyuti) vol. 4, p. 131, printed in Beirut.
For further information on the merciless massacres against the Shia by the Umayyad and Abbasids kings refer to: ‘Maqatil Al-talebiyyen’ (written by Abul-faraj Al-ameeni) and ‘Al-Shia wal-hakimoon’ (written by Muhammed Jawad Muqniyah)
thanks paglu but this jerk has been told this many times..i hope all the sensible and decent muslims get to read all of that and learn somthing from it
Sherazz
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This is all distortion in DEEN. Islam does not allow Muslims to practice deception. By the way how can I trust you may be you were practicing the TAQIYYAH as of the very moment you were replying.
Oye Musalman, Put your thinking caps on. Had we not able to do TAQQAEYA, there would've been no shias living today.
Remmember the Hadtih : "Ali is with HAQ and HAQ is with ALI".
And all your BATIL hukumats never let anyone show their love for Harzt Ali (as)
They never liked hazrat ali becuz of what he did to their ancestors in jang-e-Ohad n BADAR.
U tell me...pork is haram...would u eat it, if u are in desert dying of hunger....Humara muzhab (shias) is build over the dead bodies, shahadat is our meeras and all our Imams got shaheed and we are not scared to die...sumjhay...Jao ja kay purhoo history...Kabhee na Ali aaur na ALi walay jang say bhagay hein na hee maut ko dekh kay onhein paseena aaya hay.
While we not only survived, but are 100 times more then you without practicing deception.
And by the way you think we are scared of Jihad, take a look around brother, all of the Islamic world was conquered by us, all shia’s have is IRAN the rest of the Islamic world is ours.
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**Right from the period of theUmmayid and Abbasid governments along the lines of history, they had combats against the Shia and were prepared to kill them under the slightest provocation, the Shia resumed to ‘Taqiyya’according to the command of the Holy Qur`an. They concealed their true beliefs thus saving both their own lives as well as the lives of their brothers in those difficult circumstances.
It is clear that in that atmosphere of oppression and suffocation, there was no other way imaginable other than that of ‘Taqiyya’ for the freedom from the deluge of oppression that was threatening the Shia of destruction. Thus in the case where the oppressing kings and their stooges did not happen to have any enmity with the Shia and didn’t make their merciless killing as the vignette for their governments, there was perfect reason for the ‘Taqiyya’ of Shias. **
hey Musalmaan,
Whole world world is conqered by you...yeah right....Its more like whole muslim ummat is in jahalt ka andhera....I am not hinting toward sunni brothers.....Its the rest mainly wahabis...and u probably are one.
Why this taqqaeyah thing only against Shias....why not wahabis...who all come out saying Hazoor Muahmmad (pbuh) was an ordinary man and then once u ask then r they wahabi? and this faith WAHABI is so shameful to them that they dont even admit that they r one.
And Musalmaan, even our Imams have been put to Jails, your own Prophet's grand daughters were put inside custoday, a home which had no cieling and they stayed there for 6 month, your prophet's granddaughter, your prince of paradise's loveable daughter SAKINA died in that Jail. You prophet's Grand son Zainul abidin (as) was in there too, watching all these zulm o sitam with his hands and legs chained. WAKE UP BROTHER! if this is the way prophet's loveables were treated then what would have happened to the ordinarry muslims (shiyaan-e-Ali).
paglu and sheeraz bro,
dont reply to him, just let him babble. Focus on other better threads
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Pagluu
Brother, I do not know much about Wahabis so I would not comment on them, we are all brothers in Islam. If the entire Muslim Ummah is jahalt ka andhera and only you are enlighten, then how come your condition does not improve. If you are so righteous then how come you do not rule the Islamic Ummah. You have barely any part in political Islam.
We love the Prophet (PBUH) and Hazrat Ali (RA), Hazrat Fatima (RA), Hazrat Imam Hassan (RA), Hazrat Imam Hussain (RA), Hazrat Sakina (RA), Hazrat Zain al Abideen (RA) and we believe it is the greatest tragedy that hit the early Muslims. But we do not restrict our love for the family of our beloved Prophet (PBUH) to only few, we love his entire family.
And Cool Guy as usual your links do not work! at least check em out before you post them.
"A Jewish team along with an aalim came to Hazrat Ali (as), asking some questions.
Hazrat Ali (as): How many sects are there amongst you?
Raas-ul-Yahood: this and this much
Hazrat Ali (as): No, you are not correct!
(addressing to everyone)
Listen oh yahood! I swear by Allah! I could show you haaq (truth)from Taurayt for you ahl-e-taurayt, I can show the right way from Injeel (bible)to ahl-e-Injeel and i can show haaq to ahl-e-quran from quran.
(then continued)
Ummat-e-Yahood had 71 sects amongst them, of which 70 belong to jahannum and the only one to survive would be the one which obeyed MUSA's (as) waris Yosheh (as).
Nissara (christians) were distributed in 72 sects of which only one sect is Naaji (right), and thats the one which obeyed the waris of Essa (hazrat Shummaon (as))
Now the muslims ummat will have 73 sects amongst them of which only one sect will get nijjat and that will be the one recognizing Muhammad's (pbuh) wussi (waris).
(then hits his chest and says)
out of 73 sects, 13 will recognize me and will love me, of which one will be Naaji (right), following me as i deserve, rest 12 will go to jahannum".
ref: *Bahar-ul Muyarif, Pg 105
*Ahtijaaj Tubsiri, Pg, 311
*Nahaj-ul-Asrar, mun kalaam Haider-e- Karrar (as), Edition II, Tafsser by Allma Zeeshan hayder Jawwadi, Pg 300.
AND THOSE LINKS, MUSLMAN U CAN JUST COPY AND PASTE THEM. LATERZ
The recognition of truth and falsehood is not based on the fewness or greatness of its followers. In today’s world, unfortunately the Muslims happen to be only a fifth or one sixth compared to the non-Muslims. Most of the inhabitants of the far-east are idol-worshippers, cattle-worshipers and others who deny the true faith with their belief being attached to some baseless religion or a belief of some weird kind that we don’t even know of and which only happens to be unassuming!
China, which consists of a population over one million, is part of the atheist communist community, and most of the people in India (consisting a population close to a million) are cattle and idol-worshippers.
On the other hand, being the majority is not a sign uses to be counted as the true religion. The Holy Qur`an often reproaches the majority and praises some of the minorities. Let us refer to some of the examples related to this subject:
….., and thou shalt not find most of them thankful.”
“….., its guardians are only those who guard (against evil), but most of them do not know.”
“……., and very few of my servants are grateful.”
After looking at all these examples, it becomes clear that a practical human being never ought to fear the number of followers, even though they be few, or even become haughty if it was the other way round. This calls for one to use his intellect when deciding between wrong and right, and derive the benefit from its light.
A man came to the commander of the faithful and said:
“How can it be that the people who were not on your side in the battle of the camel, who happen to be constituted among the majority, be wrong?”
Imam Ali (p) replied:
“Truth and deception is not known by the number of followers; Get enlightened so that you can know who are the truthful ones and likewise, be aware of falsehood so that you can easily catch hold of the liars.”
It is necessary for a Muslim to analyze this matter in a logical and scientific manner by applying the verse that follows,
“And follow not that of which you have no knowledge of…”
This serves a torchlight to pave their way.
Furthermore, even though the Shia population is lesser than the Sunnis, an exact census proves that one fourth of the Muslims in the world happen to be Shia, living in Muslim inhabited countries;
Along the annals of history, there have been scholars and famous writers and authors counted amongst the Shias.
It is worthy to mention that the founders of Islamic sciences mostly happened to be Shias, such as: Abu Al-Aswad Al- doali who was the founder of the knowledge of ‘Nahw’ (Arabic grammar), Khalil bin Ahmad, the founder of ‘Orud’ (prosody), Ma’ath bin Muslim bi Abi Sarah Al-Kufi who was the founder of the knowledge of ‘Sarf’ (morphology) and Abu Abdullah Muhammed bin Orman Katib Khurasani (Marzbani) one of the pioneers in the science of ‘Balaghat’ (rhetoric’s).
For further information of the vast writings of the different Shia scholars whose enumeration is almost impossible, one can refer to the book of ‘Al-Thareekh Al-Tasaneef Al-Shia’, the book of ‘Aayan Al-Shia’, and for acquaintance of the great Shia scholars and their biographies, as well as acquisition of information about the Shia history, one can refer to the ‘Tareekh Al-Shia’
(A’araf :17)
(Anfal : 34)
(Saba : 13)
(Isra : 36)
"Keh doo kay haq aa gaya, aaur batil mitt gaya"
I did not find the answer to my questions in your reply, kindly shed light on the following only:
Read the following verse, clearly Allah (SWT) says in Quran:
47:2 But those who believe and work deeds of righteousness, and believe in the (Revelation) sent down to Muhammad - for it is the Truth from their Lord,- He will remove from them their ills and improve their condition.
After reading the above answer my question.
Question 1 If the entire Muslim Ummah is jahalt ka andhera and only you are enlighten, then how come your condition does not improve?
Read the following verse, clearly Allah (SWT) says in Quran:
24:55: “Allah has promised those amongst you who believe, and do righteous good deeds, that HE will CERTAINLY GRANT them SUCCESSION to the PRESENT RULERS on the EARTH, as HE granted it to those before them; that HE will ESTABLISH in authority their religion – the one which HE has chosen for them; and that HE will change their state, after the fear in which they lived, to one of security and peace: They worship ME alone and not associate ought with Me. IF any do reject Faith after this, they are Rebellious and Wicked.”
After reading the above answer my question.
Question 2 If you are so righteous then how come you do not rule the Islamic Ummah?
Also the hadeeth that you have quoted goes like this and not the version that you have written:
“By him in whose hand my soul is, my nation will split into 73 sects: one will enter paradise and 72 will enter hell”. It was asked of him : " who will they (the saved people) be?" and he said : “The main body of the Muslims (Jama’ah)”
Question 3 Are you the main body of Muslims?
*Pagluu: *"Had we not able to do TAQQAEYA, there would've been no shias living today. **
interesting eh !
Lying is lying no matter what you call it, a lying to hide inner beliefs is a lie.
Wanna learn more about shiaism with references from their own books visit these sites:
http://islamicweb.com/index.asp?folder=beliefs&file=shia
http://www.salaf.indiaaccess.com/shiites/index.htm
http://www.sultan.org/shia.html
http://www.shariah.net/shariah/aqaid/shia/Shi-ism.htm
Fatal blows to shiaism: http://www.shariah.net/in-defense-of-sunnah/default.htm
These sites have everything you need to know about their basic/hidden/and unislamic practices. They have all the reference from the shia books you will be shocked to see their distortion of facts, and distortion of quran and sunnah of Mohammad. Good Luck!
PS: They will never tell you the truth about them, you need to read their books to know the reality and kufr they commit. “chor kabhi apni choori nahi maanta”
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O, you who believe respect the month of Ramadaan.
**~~~Performace of good DEEDS avoids the evil ending.~~~
He, who advises for the GOOD, is similar (in rewards)to the doer of it.**
(Sahih Al-Jami 3797 & 3399 resp.)