^ Lol I am not accusing Punjabis of racism, I've seen other groups do much the same. A Karachite in front of a large group of people including Indians and Pakistanis asked me "you pathans why do you people sell your women"
What's sad is in most cases is they are well educated people who make racist comments, it's tolerated on Pakistan TV with the stereotypes of the pashtun chowkidar. You also find it on many Pakistani discussion boards.
Some generalizations are based on truth. That still doesn't mean one should use them to discriminate against others.
I think someone is a racist, they will discriminate against anyone and not just the pathans. But it doesnt mean that all punjabis are like that. :(
This is truly news to my ears...I didn't realize that all this nonsense actually did go on...I've been to Peshawar before, my uncle was CO-CMH there a few years back. I loved it and I don't recall there being any sort of problem because we were Punjabi.
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*Originally posted by pk taz: *
i’m serious, why would i lie?
it probably only happens amongst our generation in the uk, i’m not saying it’s only punjabis it’s a two-way thing. it might not happen in america or pakistan.
to whoever said that i’m trying to be posh by using pakhtun, that is the proper term, pathan is a hindi word made up by indians.
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being in uk i can understand this. mostly in pakistan it does exist in minimum form. both doesnt like eachother. but mostly its not the case.
here
pukhtoons are mostly from afghanistan. and they hate pakistanis anyway. and get smililar response by some people. wether its because they use pakistani passports for travel along with other things, similarly when a afghani/pkhtoon try to smuggle drugs into any country, they first thing they would know its pakistani though he is just using this for traveling purposes.
but overall , i have faced in my life one racist event while we punjabis visiting Pathans areas, may be because of culture, they assume Punjabis are "Beghairat" etc.
overall it doesnt exist more than normal racism. which exists in every nation/ group of people towards eachother.
Give me an instance.
Pakhtuns are too "Islamic" to be rude or crude to their brothers in Islam. Yes, we have our jokes, yes we make fun of them when they wear pants etc. etc. but those are innocent village type jokes compare to the jokes and stereotypes there are about “pathans” amongst the mainstream Punjabis. I bet Punjabis from pind are less aware of these jokes or could careless compare to the numbers of educated Punjabis that pick on Pakhtuns. How many times have Punjabi scholars insulted Ahmed Shah Abdali? Even though it was the Punjabis that sent him letters of help to rescue them from the Rajputs. It has been done on national TV, radio and newspapers.
Omar Sharif was on Ztv awards, a Punjabi, he couldn't choose no body else but Pathans to make fun of in order to entertain his new found Indian friends. The Indian comedian asked Omar Sharif that Pathans in India “kaha kaha tak ponch gay, what about Pathans in Pakistan?”, so Omar Sharif had no other Pathan in mind but BADAR MUNIR and his SMELLY SOCKS! I guess Imran Khan, Afridi and all of them skipped his mind.
Khan lala, Naswar khor, bandook daza daaz, hardheaded, locking their women, selling their daughters, homosexuals etc. etc. are some of the few "generalizations" there are about us.
Give me a list of stereotypes that Pakhtuns have about Punjabis. I’ll give you one, they eat too much daal.
Pakhtuns are nationalists by birth, but they are not racists.
Pakhtuns have always been looked down upon, one such Pakhtun was Abdul Ghaffar Khan, but today, the Pakistani nation realizes the dream and the philosophy of this "pathan" who wanted Muslims and Hindus to live like brothers just like they had for the past 1400 years. Today we see the very people stressing what was once his idea. I think those people that put him at arrest at the age of 92 should now drag 3 lines with the tip of their noses next to his grave in Jalalabad Afghanistan just to compensate the man.
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*Originally posted by Hum Sa Ho To Samne Aaye: *
^ Lol! Yeah we encountered a lil racism in Islamabad and Lahore too. But I'm sure Punjabis from those cities get their share when they come to Pekhawar. Very very sad.
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By the recent events in Wana Waziristan on the behalf of Pakistani Army mujraing to the tone of Washington, I'm sorry to say that this particular stereotype about Punjabis is about to reach its highest peak.
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*Originally posted by Shak killS: *
but overall , i have faced in my life one racist event while we punjabis visiting Pathans areas, may be because of culture, they assume Punjabis are "Beghairat" etc.
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By the recent events in Wana Waziristan on the behalf of Pakistani Army mujraing to the tone of Washington, I'm sorry to say that this particular stereotype about Punjabis is about to reach its highest peak.
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Check your facts first. The main operations in Waziristan are being carried out by the scouts and the militia which are composed of Pakhtoons. Corps headquarters in Peshawar are coordinating these operations with the Corps commander being one Ali Mohammad Jan Orakzai who I suppose is from Faisalabad eh? Think twice before you label anyone baighairat. You only crawl out of the woodwork when there is some Punjabi bashing going on. That is a baighairat un-Pukhtoon thing to do.
The scouts and the militia men who happened to be composed of Pakhtoons are fallowing orders, orders that don’t come from Ali Mohammad Jan Orakzai but his superiors like Ghairatee Gen. Shaukat Sultan (a Punjabi). When a Pakhtoon sits and deals with pentagonees then speak about Pakhtuns involvement in the murder and massacre of the tribal people, though who could’ve it done it so well, use a Pakhtoon to kill a Pakhtoon, bravo! Help the Talibs this way and that way, and then help the Americans kill the Talibs this way and that way. On every front a Pakhtun is dying, if he is the solider, the talib or the tribesmen.
Now as far as I can remember majority of the Al-Qeada and its loonies were caught in major Pakistani cities. What is the guarantee that Osama is not in Islamabad sleeping with Mushys mom while innocent people are being killed, innocent Pakhtuns, INNOCENT PAKISTANIS!! Or are they not Pakistanis because they wear turban and a shalwar instead of a pagri and a lungi?
You only crawl out of the woodwork when there is some Punjabi bashing going on. That is a baighairat un-Pukhtoon thing to do.
Sorry unlike you I don’t live by the computer, I only post when it interests me. When was the last time you saw me start a Punjabi bashing thread? If I have posted it is to defend the Pakhtuns, and give them a voice because most of the khar Pathans on these forums are either too ignorant or arrogant to defend their people. They join their “haan ji” with the rests.
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*Originally posted by mufakkar: *
Check your facts first. The main operations in Waziristan are being carried out by the scouts and the militia which are composed of Pakhtoons. Corps headquarters in Peshawar are coordinating these operations with the Corps commander being one Ali Mohammad Jan Orakzai who I suppose is from Faisalabad eh? Think twice before you label anyone baighairat. You only crawl out of the woodwork when there is some Punjabi bashing going on. That is a baighairat un-Pukhtoon thing to do.
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And I can also tell you this, that even if these scouts were Punjabis what goes through their hearts and minds when they pull that trigger on a fellow Muslim, a fellow countrymen only Allah (swt) knows. I wouldn’t want to be in their shoes at any cost and we should pray that none of us would ever have to be.
^ SS: I have always argued when people have posted racist comments and I make no exception whatever any ethnic group does it. You can't complain about racism and then start making generalisations about other ethnic groups.
I know many Punjabis who have deep respect for Pakhtuns...I am the first to state Pakistani society is racist, the solution to racism as I said is not by creating more off it.
Many Punjabi's are ethnocentric..and probably the same goes for pukhtoons..so naturally the other will look down on whoever is not like them
I think Punjabis and Pakhtoons dominate public life in Pakistan. If anybody gets discriminated against it's probably Sindhis or Bengalis who seem to be almost invisible.
^government has already made a plan to bring 50 million bengalis to make them visible.
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Omar Sharif was on Ztv awards, a Punjabi, he couldn't choose no body else but Pathans to make fun of in order to entertain his new found Indian friends.
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Omar Sharif is simply a disgusting person. His tacky comedy is not worht watching and I don't think he's a Punjabi, he's a "parha likha" mohajir, not sure though.
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The scouts and the militia men who happened to be composed of Pakhtoons are fallowing orders, orders that don’t come from Ali Mohammad Jan Orakzai but his superiors like Ghairatee Gen. Shaukat Sultan (a Punjabi). When a Pakhtoon sits and deals with pentagonees then speak about Pakhtuns involvement in the murder and massacre of the tribal people, though who could’ve it done it so well, use a Pakhtoon to kill a Pakhtoon, bravo! Help the Talibs this way and that way, and then help the Americans kill the Talibs this way and that way. On every front a Pakhtun is dying, if he is the solider, the talib or the tribesmen.
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I see so the Corps commander does nothing but the spokesman for ISPR is the one who is pulling the strings...is that what you are trying to say? If you would recall, Gen Orakzai has been dealing with the Pentagon, he visited the place a number of times to discuss operational issues, since the people dealing with the Americans on the ground ultimately report back to corps headquarters Peshawar.
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Now as far as I can remember majority of the Al-Qeada and its loonies were caught in major Pakistani cities. What is the guarantee that Osama is not in Islamabad sleeping with Mushys mom while innocent people are being killed, innocent Pakhtuns, INNOCENT PAKISTANIS!! Or are they not Pakistanis because they wear turban and a shalwar instead of a pagri and a lungi?
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Well the comment highlighted above shows exactly the kind of non-Pakhtoon that you are.
What the hell is with the lungi comment? It reeks of racism and hatred which you obviosuly can't look past. If that is all you can see when you see fellow Pakistanis then I feel sorry for you. Just to refresh your memory, a lot of people went from Punjab as well to do "Jihad" in Afghanistan where they were promptly sold out by thier "brave" Taliban commanders. They ended up not in Guantanamo but at the mercy of these savage warlords.
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Sorry unlike you I don’t live by the computer, I only post when it interests me. When was the last time you saw me start a Punjabi bashing thread?
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Thats what I was saying, you come out when there is Punjabi bashing going on not that you start a thread.
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If I have posted it is to defend the Pakhtuns, and give them a voice because most of the khar Pathans on these forums are either too ignorant or arrogant to defend their people. They join their “haan ji” with the rests.
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So you are the one true Pukhtoon and everyone else is a fake? Becasue they love Pakistan like everyone else and not your beloved Afghanistan with its ghairatmand president Karzai?
A word out to Sultan Suri...Omar Sharif is not a Punjabi bro, he's a Mahajir, and he makes fun of all, regardless of race, ethnicity or origin...
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I see so the Corps commander does nothing but the spokesman for ISPR is the one who is pulling the strings...is that what you are trying to say? If you would recall, Gen Orakzai has been dealing with the Pentagon, he visited the place a number of times to discuss operational issues, since the people dealing with the Americans on the ground ultimately report back to corps headquarters Peshawar.
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Spokesman or handyman he is on the seen representing the army every time the United States demands “BARK!”. As far as I know, he seems to be the one who gets to say the last word. If Gen Orakzai has been dealing with the Pentagon he probably has learned these tactics from his superiors. But what is or who is a Pakhtoon who sells his own? The tribesman wouldn’t differentiate between Orakzai “pathan” or a Punjabi if it comes to it.
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Well the comment highlighted above shows exactly the kind of non-Pakhtoon that you are.
What the hell is with the lungi comment? It reeks of racism and hatred which you obviosuly can't look past. If that is all you can see when you see fellow Pakistanis then I feel sorry for you. Just to refresh your memory, a lot of people went from Punjab as well to do "Jihad" in Afghanistan where they were promptly sold out by thier "brave" Taliban commanders. They ended up not in Guantanamo but at the mercy of these savage warlords.
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I don’t need a non-Pakhtoon to tell me if I am a Pakhtoon or not. Agreeing with Mushy or showing affection towards his mama doesn’t make or break my Pakhtooness.
The lungi comment is something for which you obviously have no reply to. It basically means that if these men or people were wearing lungis and pagris and belonged to some village of Punjab majority of the people on this very site would have been obviously very disgusted by the recent events. Though since they are from a part of the country which basically has no ethno, cultural, lingual or racial tie to the majority ethnic groups of the country the atrocities committed there are basically ignored. Or worst they are actually commended.
As far as Taliban selling out Punjabi Mujahids, well, they must’ve learned that from their creators. I’m sure you don’t want to get into that one.
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Thats what I was saying, you come out when there is Punjabi bashing going on not that you start a thread.
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Well I have almost 100 posts, to say that I have posted every time that there has been a Punjabi bashing going on says something doesn’t it? I wonder why and who opened all those Punjabi bashing threads. If some one is shouting “wolf” “wolf”, then dude, there must be a wolf.
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So you are the one true Pukhtoon and everyone else is a fake? Becasue they love Pakistan like everyone else and not your beloved Afghanistan with its ghairatmand president Karzai?
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Oh the good old physiological game played against the Pakhtoon nation. :- )
Loving Pakistan doesn’t mean hating Afghanistan, nor does it mean that sticking up for your people makes you anti-Pakistan. For your kind information, every Pakhtoon or “pathan” is an ethnic Afghan, this is a fact neither they nor history can deny. A Pakistani Pakhtoon has every reason to be proud of and love Afghanistan just like a Punjabi has every right to love Bangra and Basant. All a Pakistani Pakhtoon needs to do is look at the Pakistani arsenal named after Afghan Kings.
Try this on someone else kid. *kiss
p.s I have only brought up the issue of the tribesmen being Pakistani nationals, I'm not even going to try get into them being Muslims.
If he is not Punjabi then I apologize for calling him one. Even then it doesn't kill the fact of the numors stereotypes there are and the bias towards the Pakhtoons in Pakistan. I have never heard a Pathan joke from an Indian in company, it has always been a fellow Pakistani who often founded my people "amusing".
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*Originally posted by Lajawab: *
A word out to Sultan Suri...Omar Sharif is not a Punjabi bro, he's a Mahajir, and he makes fun of all, regardless of race, ethnicity or origin...
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That just shows the greatness of your character, as far as my character is concerned, well noone is perfect.
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*Originally posted by Zakk: *
^ SS: I have always argued when people have posted racist comments and I make no exception whatever any ethnic group does it. You can't complain about racism and then start making generalisations about other ethnic groups.
I know many Punjabis who have deep respect for Pakhtuns...I am the first to state Pakistani society is racist, the solution to racism as I said is not by creating more off it.
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