Why do Pakistan women dress like Arabs in America?

[McPendo]

Re: Why do Pakistan women dress like Arabs in America?

@BarbieCue

Understood and agreed. But then how did you come to the following conclusion?

I came to the following conclusion by determining the fact that you can’t never really know the intentions of either Hijaabi women or Non Hijaabi women. You can’t be sure then why must you give credence to the Hijaabi women that they’re somehow more pious than the non Hijaabi women.

So hijabi/bearded men are all a victim of the molvi mentality who’re not trying to please God but to show off to the world? Really McPendo, are you not passing judgements about people based on their appearance now? How do you know their intentions?

This is exactly what im trying to emphasize here BarbieCue, you’re thinking that i am being biased and trying to say that “Bearded Molvie looking men and Hijaabi women” are showing off. I am merely saying you can’t know their intentions if they are showing off or not **BUT **you can’t also know for sure if the Non Hijaabi women and liberal Muslim men are pious or religious. However in the eyes of the greater Muslim world, the woman who wears Hijaab and covers her body well is somehow better than the non hijaaban. I’m not saying that non-hijaabi women dont cover their bodies (and im certainly not referring to the women who wear bikinis. If you’re liberal enough to be a Muslim and wear bikinis then you’re defeating the whole point of modesty, my argument doesn’t involve bikini wearing women or women who show skin my point is regarding the pious muslims who don’t adhere to the Arabic garb and if they do decide to wear westernized clothing then they are somehow branded less of Muslims by the same Arabic garb wearing Muslims.)

You will agree BarbieCue that there is a consensus among Muslims that both men and women who adhere to the Arabic garb are considered better than then non Arabic garb wearers. Who really knows who’s intentions are evil or good? No One. Then why does this consensus exists? Surely there has to be one for this thread to exist in the first place.

You made some great points in this thread but this bit really emphasizes what I’m about to say next. That the non-hijabis and the non-bearded men (muslims and non-muslims alike) are far more judgemental of the hijabi/bearded lot than the other way around That is something that I have observed personally and Sajania786’s experiences reiterate this point. “It is complex to say that 1 group of people is somehow better than the other based on what they wear” but it seems to be very easy to use words like “mullah” and “molvi” in a degrading manner for those who dared follow the sunnah and to question their choices like you did below:

I do not feel that way about my fellow Muslims who do follow the sunnah, I for example am a Sunni and i follow the Sunnah in every possible way i can. However somethings aren’t forced upon me and i know what my rights are as a Muslim Man. I’ve read the Quran and i know what is permissible and what is not permissible. I can be a perfect Muslim without having to “Show” my Adherence to a particular code of dress. That being said for those Muslims who choose do this is perfectly fine. They have every right to do so and the “degrading” manner in which the name “mullah” and “Molvie” and now thrown around stem from westernized media’s portrayal of the Muslim clergymen and not from any personal biases. People tend to get on any popular band wagon to distinguish themselves from what they seem is negative. In this case the “Mullah look”. I don’t agree to this i feel as if it is good for Muslims to hold on to their roots and dress and feel comfortable. But if they do decide to do this they shouldn’t then feel that if other Muslims don’t adhere to their viewpoints on clothing they are somehow not “true” Muslims.

I don’t understand why you don’t understand. They do it because the Prophet saw did it. Simple. Why should their decision be affected by what the terrorists wear or how amir liaqat was able to fool everyone by appearing all pious?

Yes barbieCue the Prophet did do it, and not only that he did many other things which are beyond the comprehension of the “Arabic Garb” wearing Muslims. I am not going to give you an impression as if i am against the Sunnah of our beloved Prophet. I admire him and follow his teachings as much as i can. I believe that there can never ever have been such magnificent personality in this world as that of our Prophet. He took the pagan Arab world out of the Dark Ages and in that age sought to enlighten his backward peoples. Now this is my opinion that people tend to forget his entire life’s work and try to “become” like him not in his likeness but rather in his;appearance. As I’ve mentioned before the prophet never forced his lifestyle upon his followers, even up to the point that when he was in the abode of the creator of the Universe he sought to lessen the prayer because it might be too harsh for his followers. This is brilliant character of our beloved Prophet. What the Muslims need the most is to change their inner mentality rather than their outward appearance in the hopes that God will take them as pious and forget whats in their hearts. We have to light our hearts with the love of the Prophet and his Sunnah and our outward appearance will change automatically. Rather than changing our outward appearance and hoping something will happen inside.

Niyat and actions go hand in hand. If I’m doing Allah Allah all day, that doesn’t grant me immunity from the clothing requirements, that doesn’t make me special, I still have to abide by the do’s and the don’ts of the Quran. As long as you’re dressed modestly (and by that I don’t mean a headscarf for women or a saudi thobe for men), whatever attire you choose is fine… unless ofcourse people’s own marzi is all that matters to them i.e. free will

Quran doesn’t make any particular clothing requirements nor does it prevent Muslims from wearing certain types of clothes. I don’t know why you’re misunderstanding what i’m trying to say. If the Quran said, “Wear such and such and do not wear such and such”. I would never have this conversation with you because i would agree with you. But what I’m saying is since the Quran doesn’t require Muslims to dress in any Particular way then why must Muslims who dress in an Arabic garb are somehow considered “better Muslims”?