^ Milligazette ??? Would you believe what RSS's website tells you about Islam ?? I am sure you can do better, yaar :)
I can understand that Indian media failed to cover it, but what about western media which has always highlighted such issues ??
Have u ever heard of the saying: andhe ko chiraagh deekhaana?
:)
The problem is a lot of "dalits"/backward classes do not want to study/work hard/compete and instead rely on freebies like reservations in colleges/jobs/legislature etc. So basically whereas an "upper caste" needs 95% to get admission in a good college, a "backward caste" can get in with 40%. Same thing with jobs - their cutoffs are a lot lower. Obviously there is a difference in the quality of their work product :)
Have u ever heard of the saying: andhe ko chiraagh deekhaana? :)
Wohi to main itni der se karne ke koshish kar raha hoon :)
As I said in my earlier post, travel to India once and see what the reality is for your self.
No, scholarships/loans are good. That way they can educate themselves and become part of the mainstream.
The problem is a lot of "dalits"/backward classes do not want to study/work hard/compete and instead rely on freebies like reservations in colleges/jobs/legislature etc. So basically whereas an "upper caste" needs 95% to get admission in a good college, a "backward caste" can get in with 40%. Same thing with jobs - their cutoffs are a lot lower. Obviously there is a difference in the quality of their work product :)
tauba tauba tauba mere Allah
yaar Punjabi pehalwaan ki hoyee tussa nu ji?
lolz really this is too much even for you.
those who nave no chance at all
who are out cast most of their life
they r treated by hindu fundamentlists as trash
u blame them?
God forgive my friend because he does not know what he is saying lolz
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^Joke of the day
tauba tauba tauba mere Allah yaar Punjabi pehalwaan ki hoyee tussa nu ji? lolz really this is too much even for you. those who nave no chance at all who are out cast most of their life they r treated by hindu fundamentlists as trash u blame them?
God forgive my friend because he does not know what he is saying lolz
No one is denying that these people have historically been considered "outcastes". However, the Indian govt is taking steps to bring these "outcastes" into the mainstream by providing education & training.
But using Hindu fundamentalism as an excuse to not work but instead just rely on "freebies" is not going to help in the long run.
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What I meant to say that the muslims have their own caste system. "lower caste" muslims are treated very badly by upper caste muslims. That is why no 'dalit' hindu will convert to islam in India.
Also, reservations for 'dalits' is a very good thing. The general caste people get very jealous because of this.
What I meant to say that the muslims have their own caste system. "**lower caste" muslims are treated very badly by upper caste muslims. **That is why no 'dalit' hindu will convert to islam in India.
OK...thats what I had thought but wanted to confirm.
Also, reservations for 'dalits' is a very good thing. The general caste people get very jealous because of this.
Can you elaborate the benefits of reservations for "dalits" ? The only thing it does is decrease the quality of students in good colleges & workers in jobs.
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India’s Affirmative Action Rocks the Boat
India’s Affirmative Action Rocks the Boat
Reactions to the latest measures that benefit the lower castes have been stormy as the population battles for coveted spots in universities
The scenes from the streets of Bombay, Delhi, and other big Indian cities have shocked India. As medical students and young doctors peacefully protested a government initiative to reserve another share of seats in colleges and universities for members of lower castes, police set upon the marchers, beating many of them with truncheons.
Even more shocking to many, officials later claimed that although a few students were hospitalized, the police had not used undue force. One politician even dismissed the injuries as “just a few broken bones.” Such responses have spurred students and young professionals across the country to join in the protests.
ANCIENT GRIEVANCES. Rarely has an issue so polarized India. The country’s 10 million undergraduate students see the already limited number of spots in universities shrinking further. Those in favor of the affirmative action program – generally referred to as “reservations” – say such measures are necessary to make up for 3,000 years of a caste system that allowed Hindu society to become stratified into the privileged few and the excluded many.
A loosely organized guild system, based on professions such as priests, princely warriors, leather-workers, blacksmiths, weavers, and cowherds, eventually grew into the caste system. For centuries, the system allowed educated Brahmin priests to wield enormous power over kingdoms won by warriors and made wealthy by merchants. They exploited the rest of the uneducated populace, consigning them to the underclass by virtue of their birth. Intermarriage and even socializing between the various castes was forbidden.
Officially, the caste system was abolished when India achieved independence from British rule in 1947. Early Indian leaders such as Mahatma Gandhi agitated against it, and encouraged the lower castes to voice their grievances and participate in public life. India’s first prime minister, Jawaharlal Nehru, advocated affirmative action to overcome the disparities. Two decades ago, India began reserving for the lowest classes – including the untouchables, or Dalits – 22% of government jobs and places in state schools and colleges.
VOTING BLOC. The program has benefited many. India’s past president, K.R. Narayanan, and current president, A.P.J. Kalam, a scientist who also rose to head India’s nuclear establishment, are from lower castes. And the measures empowered the lower castes politically. As they became aware of their rights, they became a powerful voting bloc.
Still, though politically empowered, the reservations did little to economically empower the underprivileged masses out of poverty. Today, the caste system persists and the ranks of the lower castes have swelled as India’s poor population has mushroomed. Narendra Jadhav, a Dalit who is the chief economist of India’s central bank, the Reserve Bank of India, says reservations are all the more necessary today “because of the inability of the system to be just and fair.”
Today’s debate is about extending such privileges to other lower-caste groups such as cowherds, leather workers, and butchers. If implemented, such a policy would add, on top of the earlier 22%, another 28% of seats in colleges reserved for students from lower castes, making for a total of 50%. These lower castes especially want entrée into the new economy, which they feel has benefited the privileged educated classes who attend highly competitive institutions such as the Indian Institutes of Technology (IIT) and the Indian Institutes of Management.
BRAIN DRAIN. The anti-reservationists argue that reserving seats at India’s few merit-based and uncorrupted institutes of higher learning will dilute standards, bring down student morale, and jump-start a brain drain that had just started to reverse. The new India has been built on the education provided at institutes such as the IIT. Furthermore, they point to the chronic lack of qualified candidates for the posts in Indian universities reserved for professors from lower castes. Finally, they argue, reservations at the university level won’t work until India improves primary and secondary school education.
Indeed, despite the excellence of India’s top schools, most of the nation remains far behind. Of the 202 million children who enroll in the country’s 1 million schools every year, barely 15% make it to high school, and just half of those – about 14 million – graduate, according to Pratham, a foundation that focuses on education. Then there is an acute shortage of colleges in the country, and a lack of vocational training institutes. Of the 370,000 engineers who graduate annually, just 200,000 are of good quality, says Mohandas Pai, board member for human resources at software and services house Infosys ([INFY](http://javascript: void showTicker(‘INFY’)) ). About 140,000 of those will be hired by software companies this year. “so what’s left for the rest of Indian industry?” he asks.
The shortage of colleges has prompted bright Indian students to go overseas. Some 150,000 are studying in the U.S., Britain, and Australia, spending an average of $4.5 billion a year. That’s more than twice New Delhi’s $2 billion annual budget for higher education. Reservations will simply encourage the brain drain, especially from the middle classes and elite. “If these stakeholders aren’t in the system, government becomes complacent,” says Ravinder Kaur, an associate professor of sociology at the Indian Institute of Technology, New Delhi.
But the prospect of easier access to the IIT and other top schools has revved up the lower castes. Bhanwar Meghwanshi is a Dalit from Rajasthan’s weaver caste who is now editor of Diamond India, a Hindi magazine dedicated to secularism and equality. He was educated in the village and didn’t reap any advantages from reservations. Now, even though he is more educated than the upper castes in his village, as a Dalit, he is barred from entering the main village temple, where only upper castes are allowed.
Meghwanshi says that if the new reservations are to really work, the “creamy layer” of lower castes – those whose parents have already benefited from such policies and are integrated into the Indian mainstream – “must be kept out, because the very, very poor still don’t even know this is being done for them.”
LOSING INVESTORS. Many economists are worried about the effect of reservations on India’s competitiveness. Surjit Bhalla, an economist who often advises New Delhi, worries that reservations will become a problem for investors. If there isn’t enough qualified talent available in India, they “will not hesitate to go to China, Vietnam, even Bangladesh and Pakistan.”
Subir Gokarn, chief economist at Crisil, India’s largest rating agency, says the government should be more concerned about creating blue-collar jobs for India’s burgeoning youth than about reserving scarce spots at the top end. He suggests converting the caste system back into a guild system, encouraging those with traditional skills to pursue them. “Caste’s positive aspect should be the basis of India’s competitive strength in manufacturing,” he says. He points to India’s successful auto parts sector in the southern state of Tamil Nadu, where private industry has built on an available bank of blacksmiths and iron smiths.
Now, even as India is in turmoil over reservation of university seats, New Delhi is talking of yet another divisive measure: reserving half the jobs in the private sector for the lower castes. “That sort of coercive measure will really affect India’s competitiveness,” says Ram Guha, a well-regarded Indian author and historian on the subject. “We will be worse off than in the socialist economy we once used to be.”
Just posting an article without explaining what do you want to convey to me
does not make any sense sarkaar.
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There is no dilution of the quality of education. The cutoff marks are lower for 'dalit' but that does not mean the scores received by reservation students are lower than for general category students. They are about the same.
^Joke of the day
Poor Dalits are not laughing my friend :(
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Muslim society in India can also be separated into several caste-like groups. In contradiction to the teachings of Islam, descendants of indigenous lower-caste converts are discriminated against by “noble”, or “ashraf”,[37]](Dalit - Wikipedia) Muslims who can trace their descent to Arab, Iranian, or Central-Asian ancestors. There are several groups in India working to emancipate them from upper-caste Muslim discrimination.[38]](Dalit - Wikipedia)[39]](Dalit - Wikipedia)
The Dalit Muslims are referred to by the Ashraf and Ajlaf Muslims as Arzal or “ritually degraded”. They were first recorded in the 1901 census as those “with whom no other Muhammadan would associate, and who are forbidden to enter the mosque or to use the public burial ground”. They are relegated to “menial” professions such as scavenging and carrying night soil.
Ambedkar wrote about the Dalit Muslims and was extremely critical of their mistreatment by upper-caste Muslims, writing: “Within these groups there are castes with social precedence of exactly the same nature as one finds among the Hindus.”
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http://www.bihartimes.com/book_review/book_review5.html
[size=2] [size=2]The book written in the Hindustani language illustrates in detail how the small number of upper caste Muslims who constitute only 15 per cent of the total Muslim population in India have been enjoying control over the religious, political and social institutions of the country for centuries.
The author has identified the dalit castes in his community and has described their pitiable condition on the basis of his field survey and spending time with time. The Muslim dalits include Jolaha, Nutt, Bakkho, Bhatiyara, Kunjra, Dhunia, Kalal, Dafali, Halakhor, Dhobi, Lalbegi, Gorkan, Meershikar, Cheek, Rangrez and Darji.
The book emphasizes how these castes have been socially and economically “abused” by the upper caste Muslims for centuries. “Not to speak of others, even the great social reformer like Sayed Ahmad Khan abused Jolahas describing them as badjat (bad caste)”, the book says. [/size]
The jolahas are hard working people who earn their livelihood by weaving cloths. “But it is an irony that the people who are relatively more hard working are frowned upon in the Muslim society. The way Ahirs are ridiculed in the Hindu society, the Jolahas are abused and described as fools in the Muslim society.”
The book quotes numerous popular idioms which the “high born” Muslims use to despise the dalits in their community. Among them is “Khet khaye gadaha, maar khaye jolaha (Jolaha should be beaten up if the donkey grazes the harvest).” Another is: "Dom ghar khaibo, dhob ghar khaibo na (Eat at Dom’s house but never eat at a Dhobi’s house). Dhob is a washer man community.
**The book says that the condition of dalit Muslims is “worse than dalit Hindus”. **“It’s a big farce that there is no untouchability in Muslim society. The disease of untouchability is very much prevalent in Muslim society. In fact, neither the Muslims’ ruling elite nor the religious leaders have so far made any meaningful efforts to remove the disease of inequality that has made the dalit Muslims to suffer for centuries.” The author says that the Muslim political and religious leaders have rather tried to conceal the casteism, untouchability and inequality in the community to serve their vested interests.
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The problem is a lot of "dalits"/backward classes do not want to study/work hard/compete and instead rely on freebies like reservations in colleges/jobs/legislature etc. So basically whereas an "upper caste" needs 95% to get admission in a good college, a "backward caste" can get in with 40%. Same thing with jobs - their cutoffs are a lot lower. Obviously there is a difference in the quality of their work product :)
India's version of Affirmative Action
** Sorry bro edited your thread instead of clicking on quote - I am still getting the hang of this.
I have seen the marks received by “dalit” students first hand - there were a lot of them with me in my college 
If some one is not “qualified” to enter the college, he cannot suddenly come up to the same level as the other students when he graduates 
Just posting an article without explaining what do you want to convey to me does not make any sense sarkaar.
The article talks about the pros/cons of "reservations" for dalits.
I am all for giving them free school education, scholarships for college etc to give them a level playing field but definitely no admissions if they are not deserving.
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You do not understand the purpose of reservations or are pretending not to understand.
It has nothing to do with 'deserving', it has everything to do with righting past wrongs committed against them AND wrongs that are still continuing.....
I can’t believe you said that 
So by granting admission to an undeserving “dalit” in an IIT or AIIMS, you are righting past wrongs ??
What about the incapable doctors/engineers who will graduate as a result of this policy, and the wrongs that they will do ? Who will right those ??
I am really sorry but you totally have no idea what you are talking about Punjabee jee
you are a great guy i am sure and wondeful company but you totally do not have any notion
what you are talking about and i cannot do anything about that nor can you
u are from USA? yet u are totally and totally unaware of the fact what affirmative action meant for hundreds and thousands of African Americans?
Ask the value of water to people in desert.
Ask the value of affirmative action to people in USA who are discriminated and were slaves and seggregated till 1970
Bro u totally are out of touch with what i am writing and with what you are saying its totally unsync with each other.