Muslim Minority in India
Dear friends of unity of India,
One bad effect of second world war for the freedom of India was that after 1945 people knew more about the Nazi and their policy towards German minorities Jews. Now India was about to get freedom. Indian Muslim leaders where having talks with the Congress leaders about the rights of minorities in India after freedom. So basically there was no word like Pakistan. It was just for the rights of minorities i.e. Muslims in free India. In early1990s the demolition of Ayodhya Mosque is one of the biggest show of power to the minority. Is there any difference between Hindu and Muslim God? Secondly there was no historical proof that Hindu God Rama was really born on that particular place (the Mosque area). It is possible that at the time of construction of that Mosque there was a Temple.
My mother used to tell me a true story about her father, a person who offered all 5 prayers "Namaz" in a day. They were on their way to a village near Ayodhya the city of Temples in mid 1950's In Ayodhaya he was looking for a clean place for his mid day prayers. He could not find a clean place so he went to a Temple Priest in Ayodhya and asked him if he (my grand father) could offer his prayers (Muslim Prayer in a Hindu Temple!!) in the Temple complex. The good thing about this Temple priest was that he said "we both pray for the same one God you my Muslim friend (to my grand father) call him "Allah" and I as a Hindu Priest " Bhagwan". The Priest allowed my grand father to go for his Muslim prayers "Namaz" in the Temple complex. I find both my grand father and the Priest who understood the real sense of all religion: TO POLISH YOUR CHARECTOR!!! Unfortunately we do not see such things any more even today. There is no tolerance any more not only in India but all over the world including Germany.
Now I am sure that British rulers who ruled India for almost 200 years while using the policy of divide and rule policy played an important role in creating more differences between both Indian parties. Second important aspect is that the minorities were not even asked through referendum if they really want two nations. I think that Lord Mountbatten hoped to rule India longer through his divide and rule policy.
There is one point which I could not understand about we Indians. There is a word "Angrez" which means English. So after more than 50 years of freedom all Europeans/Americans are called "Angrez" by Rickshaw/Taxi drivers. They run after these tourist in expectation of getting more money. This I understand but why do many rich Indians give more importance to "Gora Angrez". white skinned persons. I do not understand. One Hindu friend of mine said we are still mentally slaves of English Rulers. His argument was that late 19th century most of the statues of Indian Gods/Goddess which had dark colours changed to white or bright colours. Today any girl in India if she has dark complexion will have very hard to find right partner. WHY?
US pop singer sings a song "it makes no difference if you are BLACK OR WHITE" I have heard that this person gets his skin bleached to get brighter.
The Muslim invaders, Muslim rulers like Sher Shah Suri and the Mughals ruled India but with a big difference to the English rulers. Most of these rulers became part of India. They did not send raw products to their home country and again sold the final products to the Indians what the British rulers did. Second most important fact is that English rulers NEVER became part of India or Indian society. Still we Indians treat "Angrez" better than the Muslims who became Indian and gave many good things too. The majority of Indian Muslims are born after 1947. They do not know how things were during/before freedom. So if some radical groups in India hate them. I want to ask them one thing. These radical Indian groups should say that all young Germans of these days are Nazi's. Which is also not true. Any Indian Muslim if he says he is pro Pakistan I would recommend him to leave India and go to Pakistan and that too for ever. Politicians on BOTH SIDES MADE MISTAKES and both do not accept this f
Muslim Minority in India
Dear friends of unity of India,
One bad effect of second world war for the freedom of India was that after 1945 people knew more about the Nazi and their policy towards German minorities Jews. Now India was about to get freedom. Indian Muslim leaders where having talks with the Congress leaders about the rights of minorities in India after freedom. So basically there was no word like Pakistan. It was just for the rights of minorities i.e. Muslims in free India. In early1990s the demolition of Ayodhya Mosque is one of the biggest show of power to the minority. Is there any difference between Hindu and Muslim God? Secondly there was no historical proof that Hindu God Rama was really born on that particular place (the Mosque area). It is possible that at the time of construction of that Mosque there was a Temple.
My mother used to tell me a true story about her father, a person who offered all 5 prayers "Namaz" in a day. They were on their way to a village near Ayodhya the city of Temples in mid 1950's In Ayodhaya he was looking for a clean place for his mid day prayers. He could not find a clean place so he went to a Temple Priest in Ayodhya and asked him if he (my grand father) could offer his prayers (Muslim Prayer in a Hindu Temple!!) in the Temple complex. The good thing about this Temple priest was that he said "we both pray for the same one God you my Muslim friend (to my grand father) call him "Allah" and I as a Hindu Priest " Bhagwan". The Priest allowed my grand father to go for his Muslim prayers "Namaz" in the Temple complex. I find both my grand father and the Priest who understood the real sense of all religion: TO POLISH YOUR CHARECTOR!!! Unfortunately we do not see such things any more even today. There is no tolerance any more not only in India but all over the world including Germany.
Now I am sure that British rulers who ruled India for almost 200 years while using the policy of divide and rule policy played an important role in creating more differences between both Indian parties. Second important aspect is that the minorities were not even asked through referendum if they really want two nations. I think that Lord Mountbatten hoped to rule India longer through his divide and rule policy.
There is one point which I could not understand about we Indians. There is a word "Angrez" which means English. So after more than 50 years of freedom all Europeans/Americans are called "Angrez" by Rickshaw/Taxi drivers. They run after these tourist in expectation of getting more money. This I understand but why do many rich Indians give more importance to "Gora Angrez". white skinned persons. I do not understand. One Hindu friend of mine said we are still mentally slaves of English Rulers. His argument was that late 19th century most of the statues of Indian Gods/Goddess which had dark colours changed to white or bright colours. Today any girl in India if she has dark complexion will have very hard to find right partner. WHY?
US pop singer sings a song "it makes no difference if you are BLACK OR WHITE" I have heard that this person gets his skin bleached to get brighter.
The Muslim invaders, Muslim rulers like Sher Shah Suri and the Mughals ruled India but with a big difference to the English rulers. Most of these rulers became part of India. They did not send raw products to their home country and again sold the final products to the Indians what the British rulers did. Second most important fact is that English rulers NEVER became part of India or Indian society. Still we Indians treat "Angrez" better than the Muslims who became Indian and gave many good things too. The majority of Indian Muslims are born after 1947. They do not know how things were during/before freedom. So if some radical groups in India hate them. I want to ask them one thing. These radical Indian groups should say that all young Germans of these days are Nazi's. Which is also not true.** Any Indian Muslim if he says he is pro Pakistan I would recommend him to leave India and go to Pakistan and that too for ever.** Politicians on BOTH SIDES MADE MISTAKES and both do not accept this f
Another Indian muslim making his flawed point. Do you know Indian muslims should have same rights as Indian Hindus because they are the locals like their dravidian hindu brothers? Most of the Indians are dravidian converts including (Shah Rukh Khan)- who was adopted by a nice guy hailing from Peshawar but settled in Delhi. Why should Indian muslims not support Pakistan? they have no other option then to support us.
Question - do muslims face the same or similar problems as in countries like USA and UK? (I mean stuff like suspicious looks by the rednecks (pinknecks in Uk), double check passport, be asked questions about trips etc).
Question - do muslims face the same or similar problems as in countries like USA and UK? (I mean stuff like suspicious looks by the rednecks (pinknecks in Uk), double check passport, be asked questions about trips etc).
Its a fairly well known fact that British Pakistanis are generally under achievers...
guys stay on topic and lets not discuss Moin ul atiq instead of the thread topic. if you find any particular post offensive report it with the utility there and i'll go thru it.
If partition never happened, India would be the strongest country in Asia
Imagine a country stretching from Iran to Burma.
With great cities like Karachi, Lahore, Delhi, Bombay, Bangalore, Calcutta, Dacca.
A population of over 1.5 Billion people with the largest muslim population in the world in a democracy.
And besides our Cricket team would be unbeatable. :)
In my opinion partition was a sad chapter in the history of Indian sub-continent. I know several people on either side of the border who never liked it.
I would request members, to post the experience encountered by their grandparents/parents about the partition.
** Indian Muslims lagging behind others....this topic has been debated at length elsewhere...poverty, lack of education and manipulation by politicians some of the main reasons.
** In states like Kerala in South India..muslims do better than the rest....and this is because of education!!.
Another Indian muslim making his flawed point. Do you know Indian muslims should have same rights as Indian Hindus because they are the locals like their dravidian hindu brothers? Most of the Indians are dravidian converts including (Shah Rukh Khan)- who was adopted by a nice guy hailing from Peshawar but settled in Delhi. *Why should Indian muslims not support Pakistan? they have no other option then to support us./*quote]
You support that country which provides you roti, kapda, aur makaan...not the one where your ancestors came from. *
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this one shows how muslims and hindus compare in terms of literacy rates all over India: http://realitycheck.files.wordpress.com/2006/12/sach2.JPG
Muslims in Tamil Nadu, Gujarat(explains why certain events happened), Orissa and quite a few other states are more literate than the Hindus…very interesting!
I have said before, Indian govt. must treat muslims fairly. Let us not forget TajMahal, Red Fort, Qutab Minar etc.- who built them for the Indians? Indians must pay debt by taxing only non-muslims(Hindus, Sikhs, Christians and Buddhist) and NOT tax muslims as it is illegal in Islam. They must be offered 30% reservation in jobs. Hindus should stop sporting tilaks(dots) or public celebration of Poojas, Diwalis- Indian govt. should ban public celebration of Hindu festivals. Pakistan needs during war as they will privately hurt the Indians as they can't afford to dislike us :)
he is crazy:o..all hindus, muslims, sikhs, christians etc etc are first indians and then whatever religions they are following. they all are common and equal in front of indian law. how can muslims be not taxed?? tas is utlisied for nation building by govt..the very nation they stayed in and the very nation which provide them food and shelter.
muslims has to follow indian system along with thier hindu majority brother.. otherwise....get out
Question - do muslims face the same or similar problems as in countries like USA and UK? (I mean stuff like suspicious looks by the rednecks (pinknecks in Uk), double check passport, be asked questions about trips etc).
yes sir, they do.. anywhere in the world u go, not only US and UK, evenin australia, france and gemany, muslims are looked upon with suspicious of terrorists.
and bad thing is that even indian muslims are not exempted from the rude behaviour.
just because 1% commiting sin in the name of allah and jihad, the whole of the ommunity is targetted.
i think thread starter had either not read the article completly or trying to bluff everybody.
I do think that government is not doing enough to get the muslims in mainstream but one must understand that there is coniserable inertia in the part of community leaders also. The muslims community is largely backward because they are impervious to modern social values. the muslim women are backward because they have supressed by community men in the name of islam. but at least indian government is trying. there are presence of muslim people in all sphers. from govt to indunstry and defence to civil services. it may be less but yes..they are there and increasing.
reservations for muslims are out of question. they have to live to the standards or else...................get out
