Re: Why do Indian Muslims lag behind?
Pakistan has a better track record of treating non-muslims religious minorities than India. Ahmedis, Christians, Sikhs, Hindus and Shias enjoy full rights in Pakistan. I come from Sheikhpura and Sikhs visit every year in large numbers(Nanakana Sahib etc.) and say how large-hearted Pakistan's main religion(Sunni) people are.
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Doesnt this validate the whole reason for the creation of Pakistan in the first place? For whatever its worth, Muslims in Pakistan are not hostage to the good will of the majority... (Being hostage to the Military and others aside:) )
Still, the fact that Indian Muslims as a minority and have to hobble along doesnt reflect well on India... But whether its India's fault or not, Muslims there are obviously victims of circumstance whether of their own making or that of the govts.
I disagree....
When Pakistan was created, it weakened Muslims in South Asia. Where as Hindus were congregated only India, muslims in India were now dispersed in 3 seperate countries. And thus, it gave Hindu extremists free reign to do whatever they please without the feeling of reprecussion.
If Pakistan was not created, the combined population of Pakistan, Bangladesh and Indian Muslims would more than enough to offset any extremist notion by the Indian government.
Parties like the BJP which are purely based on religion would have never been formed due to the huge muslim population opposing it.
Creation of Pakistan and the partition of India led to extremism on both sides.
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gujrat incident was riots.... which is the most unfortunate thing that happens in any secular society... its not a good thing... but no way it was some sort of cleansing... morons from both sides were killing each other.... i dont have to mention how it all started. who cares about chomsky... man... indian muslims are indians... indian society has flaws.... everyone faces the consequences... be it caste based, religion based, ecomonic status based or anything esle... but still its home and it doesnt discriminate among anyone... you can argue that why lower castes are poor too.... you were not expecting india to be a perfect society where everything goes right despite the fact that india is a poor country.... whole world is searching for a perfact society...... no one could come up with one yet... considering the condition of the subcontinent i think india did a pretty good job.. needless to say that i have many muslim friends ,.... indian or non indian... so whatever i say is not just one sided... infact some of my relatives are muslims too...
PS . i edited my post which u replied... there was a typo which could change the meaning of what i said. please read the edit note on my previous post.
Of course it has flaws. No country is perfect. But my question is that it was the government that cheered on the people who committed the gujrat massacre.
If Hindu mobs killed muslims and then the Indian government send in the Army and stop the riots, then thats fine.
But the Indian government did nothing. They cheered on the rioters. They haven't prosecuted the people who did the rioting and its chief architect, Modi.
Thats the problem.
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imho, many muslims are more reluctant to accept new lifestyles, and give less importance to education, and this isn't doing them much good when it comes to jobs.
from my high school classmates (most of us were small-town middle class kids), most of the muslims got married early - the boys as soon as they had jobs, and the girls as soon as they were in college. some of the girls dont have a college degree, but have multiple kids already, almost none of them work. i was trying to update our batch's address list, and many of these kids have just faded away while the rest of us are building our relatively new professional careers.
That is unfortunately True.
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muslim league and BJP(or at least the religious aspect of it) should cease to exist. Religion and politics should never ever mix and it's very dangerous when they do.....the results will always be something similar to what happened in gujarat and babri masjid. It will only give the muslim and hindu extremists an opportunity to destroy any chance of unity between the diverse religions in india.
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Of course it has flaws. No country is perfect. But my question is that it was the government that cheered on the people who committed the gujrat massacre.
If Hindu mobs killed muslims and then the Indian government send in the Army and stop the riots, then thats fine.
But the Indian government did nothing. They cheered on the rioters. They haven't prosecuted the people who did the rioting and its chief architect, Modi.
Thats the problem.
I guess Gujarat has that minority fanatic population too but I don't think that we should generalize about how muslims are treated all over India just based on that one gujarat event. Not all Hindu Indians are like the fanatics of gujarat and not all Muslim Indians are innocent. Both religious groups have contributed to the present religious disharmony in India today.
Re: Why do Indian Muslims lag behind?
Of course it has flaws. No country is perfect. But my question is that it was the government that cheered on the people who committed the gujrat massacre.
If Hindu mobs killed muslims and then the Indian government send in the Army and stop the riots, then thats fine.
But the Indian government did nothing. They cheered on the rioters. They haven't prosecuted the people who did the rioting and its chief architect, Modi.
Thats the problem.
Narinder Singh Modi is a cruel brahmin bhaijan. My dadajaan tells me that when Hindus were in Pakistan(pre-partition), brahmins were the cruelest of all castes in united Punjab- more than aroras(the warrior tribe) and kapoors. They are taught fighting skills from the time they are born.
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please tell that to the gujrat massacre victimes, the bombay riot victims, the kashmir victims and countless other muslims in india who have suffered
Do you have any idea that in 95% cases the minority Muslim section has started the riots, and in most of the cases this section has taken full fledge part in riots against the majority community....???
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We must discuss this issue with an open mind.
*I would like to know if Muslims are not allowed to entre the schools, or getting jobs, doing business etc. *
As much as I know that there are no such conditionds prevailing against Muslims anywhere in India by law or by traditions.
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^^
I might be repeating myself hoarse, but still. Muslims (AFAIK) have large families with no means to support them. I have seen a couple of my classmates who were pulled out from school due to the fact that their parents could not support them. They had to go out and earn while we studied. They ended up as petty labourers. I have kept in touch with them and the most surprising thing is that these classmates themselves have not learnt from the mistakes. They already have 2-3 children and are planning to have more...
Unless and until education is accorded top priority muslims will continue to lag behind. This is a very dangerous situation. With the rest of the country progressing at a very rapid rate, muslims would feel let out and take to crime. This is already happening and might get only worse as time goes on..
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Narinder Singh Modi is a cruel brahmin bhaijan. My dadajaan tells me that when Hindus were in Pakistan(pre-partition), brahmins were the cruelest of all castes in united Punjab- more than aroras(the warrior tribe) and kapoors. They are taught fighting skills from the time they are born.
Your understanding is very wrong. Brahmins are not taught fighting skills. They might be cruel but are not very brave. They are known mainly for their cunning
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anymore stupid generalizations? we already have that ALL brahimins are cruel and cunning. I'm sure there are more generalizations...think people....
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Modi is not brahmin, he belongs to OBC, Backward caste
moin, i suggest you to become a leader, your speaches will attract many people and you can become leader in FATA
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Why are Indian muslim women married off at such young ages even before getting into college?
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Why are Indian muslim women married off at such young ages even before getting into college?
im guessing its mostly fear on the part of elders about sending single girls to non-segregated colleges. meeting your spouse in college is turning out to be quite common in urban india.
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I disagree....
When Pakistan was created, it weakened Muslims in South Asia. Where as Hindus were congregated only India, muslims in India were now dispersed in 3 seperate countries. And thus, it gave Hindu extremists free reign to do whatever they please without the feeling of reprecussion.
If Pakistan was not created, the combined population of Pakistan, Bangladesh and Indian Muslims would more than enough to offset any extremist notion by the Indian government.
Parties like the BJP which are purely based on religion would have never been formed due to the huge muslim population opposing it.
Creation of Pakistan and the partition of India led to extremism on both sides.
Somehow I knew you wouldnt agree...
Still, we can go on and on about would could have happened or might have happened if Pakistan had not been created, but that is all speculation...
But as regards the situation that Muslims in India find themselves today, my point was simply that while they may themselves carry much blame, much of their situation can be attributed to simply being a large minority... Its a failure of the state, and Indians simply cannot excuse themselves of any fault simply by blaming the Muslims themselves.
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^^ ya i agree
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most indian muslims i have meet go OUT OF THEIR WAY to show patriotism to india .....almost as if they would be doubted for it if they dont
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I agree for once with you…:halo:
But irrespective of whatever it is, i am happy with partition…i hope dimwit indians back home realize this as well…
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If partition never happened, India would be the strongest country in Asia
Imagine a country stretching from Iran to Burma.
With great cities like Karachi, Lahore, Delhi, Bombay, Bangalore, Calcutta, Dacca.
A population of over 1.5 Billion people with the largest muslim population in the world in a democracy.
And besides our Cricket team would be unbeatable. 