Why did India invest 1.3 billion dollars in Afghanistan?

Country as poor as India investing such huge amount of money in place like Afghanistan? BTW, let make it clear. Afghanistan is our play ground & it wouldn’t make any diff how much Indians invest in Afghanistan we have final say in all matters related to Afghanistan. :smiley:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/07/23/AR2010072303316_pf.html

India, Iran distrustful of renewed Afghan-Pakistan ties
By Rajiv Chandrasekaran
Washington Post Foreign Service
Friday, July 23, 2010; 2:54 PM

NEW DELHI – Recent moves by Afghanistan and Pakistan to improve their once-frosty relationship have prompted deep concern in other countries in the region and led some to consider strengthening ties to Afghan President Hamid Karzai’s political rivals.

The U.S. government considers the Afghan-Pakistan overtures essential to combating insurgencies wracking both nations. But India, Iran and Afghanistan’s northern neighbors fear that they are a step toward fulfilling Karzai’s desire to negotiate with Taliban leaders and possibly welcome some of them into the government.

These nations believe that Karzai’s plans could compromise their security and interests by lessening the influence of Afghanistan’s Tajik, Uzbek and Hazara ethnic minorities with whom they have cultivated close links, diplomats and government officials say.

The apprehension, voiced pointedly by senior Indian officials in interviews this week, has emerged as yet another challenge for the U.S. government as it seeks to encourage new initiatives to stabilize Afghanistan while minimizing fallout on the already tense relationship between India and Pakistan.

In an attempt to assuage those concerns, the Obama administration’s special representative for Afghanistan and Pakistan, Richard C. Holbrooke, traveled here Wednesday to meet with India’s national security adviser and foreign secretary. The chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Adm. Mike Mullen, arrived Thursday for two days of meetings with top military and civilian leaders.

The Indians have been riled by a series of recent meetings involving Karzai and Pakistan’s top two security officials: the army chief, Gen. Ashfaq Kiyani, and the intelligence director, Lt. Gen. Ahmed Shuja Pasha. On Sunday, Afghanistan and Pakistan signed a trade agreement that allows Afghan trucks to drive through Pakistan to the Indian border. Indian officials had wanted to send their own trucks through Pakistan to Afghanistan, but the Pakistani government insisted they not be included in the negotiations. U.S. officials hailed the deal as a major step forward in the relationship between Afghanistan and Pakistan and a vital development for Afghanistan’s economy.

Of greater concern to the Indians is Karzai’s interest in reconciling with elements of the Taliban leadership. Because of the Taliban’s historic ties to Pakistan’s intelligence agency, Indian officials believe that such a move would give Pakistan new influence in Afghanistan.

Allowing the Taliban, which is dominated by ethnic Pashtuns, to have a role in the Afghan government is something “we don’t think is a very good idea,” a senior Indian government official said. “It’s not that there are two equal political factions, with equal legitimacy, that have a right to political power. Karzai is the elected president. Not the Taliban. It should not be a question of negotiating a place at the table for them.”

The Indian government, the official said, disputes “suggestions that come from the Pakistanis that the Taliban is legitimate, they represent the Pashtuns and therefore you need to deal with them and negotiate with them. That’s the difference. We don’t think they represent the Pashtuns.”

**Compounding India’s pique is the fact that it believed it had cultivated close ties with Karzai. India has opened four consulates in Afghanistan, even though relatively few Indian citizens live there, and invested $1.3 billion in development projects – far more than Pakistan has.

“The Indians are shell-shocked,” said a Western diplomat involved in Afghanistan policy. “They went in with more than a billion dollars, and now Pakistan is eating their lunch.”**

U.S. officials are trying to persuade the Indians to abandon their traditional zero-sum logic that what’s good for Pakistan must be bad for them. “You cannot stabilize Afghanistan without the participation of Pakistan as a legitimate concerned party,” Holbrooke said at a meeting with Indian journalists here.

Speaking to reporters on his flight here, Mullen said that “the whole region has a role to play” in Afghan reconciliation but that the Kabul government must take the lead.

In his meetings, Mullen sought to assure Indian officials that the U.S.-led counterinsurgency strategy was on track and that the United States has a long-term commitment to assist Afghanistan. “India, perhaps more than any outside country, has the greatest stake in our success in Afghanistan,” one U.S. official said.

The United States, Mullen told reporters, is not “looking for the door out of Afghanistan or out of this region.”

But Indian officials remain deeply mistrustful of Pakistan’s motivations in Afghanistan. The Pakistanis, officials here contend, have deftly capitalized on Karzai’s fears of abandonment by the United States – fueled in part by his misinterpretation of President Obama’s pledge to begin drawing down forces by July 2011 – by offering to help forge a deal with an insurgency that his army and NATO forces have been unable to defeat.

“Pakistan wants to be able to control the sequence of events in Afghanistan,” a second senior Indian official said. “We don’t want a situation that would entail a revision to pre-2001, with backward-looking people taking the reins of power in Kabul.”

Iran, which is predominantly Shiite Muslim, is also worried about any greater political role for leaders of the almost exclusively Sunni Taliban, many of whom regard Shiites as apostates. Diplomats in New Delhi say Iran has encouraged India to send more of its assistance to provinces in northern and western Afghanistan that are under the control of warlords and other power brokers who were part of the anti-Taliban Northern Alliance. The diplomats said that India has not shifted its efforts, much of which were already directed at the north.

Whether the Taliban is genuinely interested in reconciliation is questionable. CIA director Leon Panetta said last month that he saw no clear indications that insurgent leaders wanted to engage in peace talks with the Afghan government.

Mullen echoed that assessment, saying he does not believe reconciliation is imminent. “We’ve got to be in a position of strength,” he said. “We’re just not there yet.”

Re: Why did India invest 1.3 billion dollars in Afghanistan?

Pakistan can't even make Balochistan its play ground and you are talking about Afghanistan.

Pakistan needs to fix its internal problems.

From the Baloch insurgencies, to FATA, to criminality of MQM, and Punjabi militants.

Pakistan has become a sespool of terrorism and militancy...much like Jordan in late 1960's.

Jordan took out all the militants on its soil in Black September.

Pakistan needs to mount something on a similar scale.

India has $1.3B! WoW... Next, millions of refugees should also head to India..my my such love.

Sorry my friend, but Afghanistan is no one's "playground". Afghanistan belongs to Afghans. Pakistan can strive to have good relations with Afghanistan, but Pakistan should not try to be a king-maker. We tried doing just that in 90's, and this is the reason why Pakistan is now hated by half of Afghans. The only friends we have in Afghanistan is Taliban, who is our enemy in Pakistan. Ironic, to say the least.

If we want good relations with Afghanistan as a country then we need to do what India is doing. HELP them.
India has all the rights to invest in Afghanistan, just like any other country in the world. Nobody stopped Pakistan in doing similar investment in Afghanistan.

Ninety percent of Afghans and 100 percent of the Taliban hate Pakistan.

Yeah sure and 10000000000000000% love India and I am 10000000000000000000000% martian and you are a 100000000000000000% a moron.

Check the last para

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Taliban officials suggest their newfound autonomy explains why Pakistan is now claiming it can get the Taliban-allied Haqqani network to accept a power-sharing deal with Afghan President Hamid Karzai. “The Pakistanis are saying to us: ‘You guys are not the only Taliban. We have other clients, so we don’t care if you run away,’?” says the logistics officer. A defection of the Haqqanis—arguably the most effective antigovernment fighters in Kabul and eastern Afghanistan—would seriously divide and weaken the insurgency, which is exactly America’s strategy. But it’s doubtful Pakistan can deliver. “Ninety percent of Afghans and 100 percent of the Taliban hate Pakistan,” the intelligence officer says. “In the past we didn’t have any options, but we do now.”

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And you expect me to belive these figures? And how about if I put down tons of stuff about Afghan love for India starting from Soviet Invasion all the way to say now especially for hindus which is quite evident from their actions. I am sure you would call it a hog wash.

Oh BTW there is a book “The Bear Trap” on Afghan war, you don’t want to know what one of the biggest inteligence agency had to say about India. I strongly suggest you read it.

**Kabul: **Swagatam! Yeh aapka pehla visit hai?

For a moment, I was stunned when Ahmad Zaher Faqiri, the Afghan foreign ministry spokesman, spoke to me in chaste
Hindi during my first encounter with him in Kabul.

The handsome Afghan diplomat had more in store for me when he belted the popular song '*Pehla nasha, pehla khumaar, naya pyaar hai, naya intezaar…," *from Bollywood movie *‘Jo Jeeta Wohi Sikandar’, *to relate my first visit to Kabul.
Faqiri is not alone in war-torn Afghanistan who is influenced by Hindustan (as India is known in this country) and its famous Bollywood films.
Despite the resurgence of Taliban and their austere moral code, Afghan people’s love for India and its culture remains unaffected, officials said.
“Mujhe Hindustani film achchha lagta hai,” a gun-totting Afghan police officer told PTI.

“Watching an entertaining Hindi film is one way to relax after a day’s tension-ridden duty along with US-led multinational forces in Kabul’s sensitive diplomatic area,” he said.
Afghanistan was one of the biggest foreign markets for Bollywood films until the early 1990s. Amitabh Bachchan, Dharmendra and Hema Malini still have fan-following here.
Newer Bollywood actors like Shah Rukh Khan, Hrithik Roshan, John Abraham and Katrina Kaif too have developed vast admirers among Afghan youngsters who watch Hindi movies on local TV channels and through DVDs in bigger cities like Kabul, Kandahar and Mazar-e-Sharif.
Bollywood broke new ground in Afghanistan in 2006 with the release of Kabul Express, the first international movie filmed in post-Taliban Afghanistan.
India’s traditionally friendly ties with Afghanistan have been on a high since the fall of the Taliban in 2001. India is the sixth largest donor with an aid budget of $1.3 billion, and Indian companies are rebuilding roads and schools in this country despite constant security threats.
India and Afghanistan have established a strong relationship based on their historical and civilisational ties and strengthened New Delhi’s role in the reconstruction of the war-scarred nation.
“The principal objective of India’s development partnership is to build indigenous Afghan capacity and institutions,” officials said
India has played an active role in the development of Afghanistan based on the understanding that social and economic development is key to the country becoming a source of regional stability, they said.
Speaking at the recent International Conference on Afghanistan, external affairs minister SM Krishna said, “The ultimate aim of our assistance is to strengthen the capacity of the Afghan state and people to stand on their own feet in the areas of governance and services for the Afghan people.”
Describing India and Afghanistan as “historic friends,” Krishna said New Delhi has contributed to Afghanistan’s efforts in nation-building and reconstruction “entirely in accordance with the priorities of the Afghan government and people.”

The India Cultural Centre (ICC) was inaugurated in Kabul in 2007, reflecting the close cultural links between the two countries. Through its diverse activities, including conduct of Indian classical music and yoga classes, the ICC has become a place where people of all background come together in the spirit of mutual bonding, Indian officials said.
India’s aid programme covers four broad areas - infrastructure projects, humanitarian assistance, small and community-based development projects and education and capacity development.
The 218-km-long road from Zaranj to Delaram in south- western Afghanistan that facilitates movement of goods and services is a
landmark project undertaken by India here.
India has also erected a 202 km-long 220 KV transmission line from Pul-e-Khumri to Kabul and a 220/110/20 KV sub-station at Chimtala to bring electricity to the Afghan capital from Uzbekistan.
Two other major infrastructure projects, the construction of the Afghan Parliament in Kabul and Salma Dam power project in Heart province, are under progress and would be completed by 2011-12.
Around 3,500 Indian nationals are estimated to be currently working in Afghanistan. Many of them are engaged in various aid projects undertaken by the Indian government and private businesses.

Around 3,000 people belonging to Sikh and Hindu communities, spread over a number of provinces, permanently live in the country as Afghan nationals.

Re: Why did India invest 1.3 billion dollars in Afghanistan?

AFGHAN`S SHARE IN INDIAN ART AND CULTURE

**Which foreign country do Afghans hate the most? **

For anyone who has been following Afghanistan at all during the past decade and a half, that’s not a trick question. In an earlier post I mentioned in passing the ABC/BBC/ARD national public opinion poll in Afghanistan, released in February 2009. Question #38 asked: “Now I’m going to ask what you think about some people and groups. Is your opinion of [INSERT] very favorable, somewhat favorable, somewhat unfavorable, or very unfavorable?”

The results (with some details omitted):

a. The Taliban: Favorable 7 | Unfavorable 91
b. Osama Bin Laden: Favorable 6 | Unfavorable 92
c. The United States: Favorable 47 | Unfavorable 52
d. Pakistan: Favorable 8 | Unfavorable 91
e. Great Britain: Favorable 39 | Unfavorable 54
f. Iran: Favorable 57 | Unfavorable 40
g. Germany: Favorable 61 | Unfavorable 31
h. India: Favorable 74 | Unfavorable 21

In 2007, according to previous poll results used for comparison, 80% expressed an “unfavorable” opinion of Pakistan, which was already the highest percentage by far for any foreign country. Since then, Afghan hostility toward Pakistan seems to have increased even further.

http://www.defence.pk/forums/world-affairs/44835-afghan-poll-shows-india-most-favoured-pakistan-unpopular-9.html

Saregama, as I said you are 1000000000000 you know what.... These links prove nothing nor they prove the Afghans hate pakis and love India, I can flood the news group with links from every tom dick and harry with opposing views, then what.. When it comes to ground realities Afghans always find sanctuary in Pakistan NOT India that is what they say actions speak louder then words.

So hopes an Indian.

Re: Why did India invest 1.3 billion dollars in Afghanistan?

Pakistan should start by deporting the million plus Afghanis that are in Pakistan. Build a huge physical border (if only financially feasible). That would trap the Taliban cordon off the FATA areas and other tribal regions and move in slowly and eliminate the Taliban.
The day that happens that is the day Pakistan will get Billions in investment by foreign companies.

Watch the economy grow and Pakistan become a powerful country in the process albeit Zardari dies whilst that is happening would be bonus.

Lil correction, Per UN as of today 2.1 Million but there as many more settled all over Pakistan. Lets send them and any new commers to India and see the love in action.

BTW I have no problem with Afghans if they have decided to stay in Pak so long they are law abiding citizens.

Ah so they have doubled in population. Well, don't they breed fast.
To be fair last time I bothered to check was the figure was years ago. However, thank you for the correction.

Re: Why did India invest 1.3 billion dollars in Afghanistan?

Guys, how many of you know actual folks from Afghanistan? I have known a few.... trust me when I tell you this, they do really hate Pakistan. Not the poor folks or villagers, but the ones living in Kabul and other areas secured by US. Some of these "baigharats" actually lived spent some their time in Pakistan when soviets were kicking their collective arses. I do not know the reason, nor do I care, however, most of the afghanis do not like pakistan.

I guess you did not read the article. The point was India was not crazy about helping Afghanistan, and whatever they were/are doing is within context of how they can hurt Pakistan.

Afghans are pretty well know for biting the hand that feeds them. How about if we shift them to India?

I don't care what India thinks about Pakistan's dealings with Afghanistan. Pakistan needs to do what ever it takes to stop the suicide bombings and killing of innocent people, even if it means talking to the Taliban. You have to remember history is a great teacher...Afghanistan and the Northwest Frontier areas have never been conquered.

“The Indians are shell-shocked,” said a -----

http://www.pakportals.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=35

India wary of thaw in Afghan-Pakistan relations

By Rajiv Chandrasekaran
Sunday, July 25, 2010

NEW DELHI – Recent moves by Afghanistan and Pakistan to improve their once-frosty relationship have prompted deep concern in other countries in the region and led some to consider strengthening ties to Afghan President Hamid Karzai’s political rivals.

The U.S. government considers the Afghan-Pakistan overtures essential to combating insurgencies racking both nations. But India -----

Why is India so hell-bent and Impetuously determined to go against the odds when it comes to decent Pak-Afghan relations -----