Why Desi youth in the West getting involved in terrorism?

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Well the reason is simple. From early years, these poor b@Stards are being fed with Nazi-style propaganda from Mullah, and Mullah-styled parents.

These knuckleheads have all the opportunities to be productive citizens in the West. However the mosques and Imams have become the source of terroristic education. Sad utterly sad!

A good analysis is given in this essay:

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I take it NRP means non-resident pakistanis right? Is this your blog??

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The problem is with hate preachers in Pakistan/Saudi. Not the majority of mosques/imams like you make it sound preach hate. It is usually a ex-militant targeting vunerable people in mosques, streets e.g. a recent convert to Islam or someone who has become active as a muslim i.e. does not have a good understanding of the faith. You will often hear of suspects usuallu suddenly becoming religious and focused on a goal.

A Pakistan connection usually somewhere. Training, plot planning or just spiritual support.

BTW I think it's a slightly worse problem in Pakistan itself. Every other idiot wants to be a Jihadi. Most Pakistan mullahs preach Jihad in Kashmir, anti USA sermons. Collect funds for banned organisations.

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i am astonished by the amount of hate against afghans and indians on the this forum so i’m not surprised that these same pakistani who like to hate their neighbors want to blow up their hate with bombs.

sad utterly sad

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Pro-Pakistan Afghans = Good Afghans
Anti-Pakistan Afghans = Bad! Very Bad!

Hope you can understand this very French logic.

Coming back to the thread, NRP kids living in West have not been harmed by Israel or Jews, or West in general (otherwise why would NRPs be building mansions in the West).

The $tupid behavior of NRP kids is due to Nazi propaganda being fed to them by Mullah and Mullah-ishtyle parents.

So let's not drag this discussion to some pro-Afghan corner.

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and how many people in Pakistan have been affected by the war in Iraq, or Israel and it's occupation of Palestine?

What makes them hate jews, shia and americans so much?

Tair-e-Lahoti
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One word! Wahabism!

And this may be the same ill that is driving NRP kids to become terrorists. However Pakistani youth may harbor ill-feelings and be less dangerous to themselves. At least for now Pak army is standing gaurd against such $tupid things.

However NRP kids have no such force to stop them before hand, so they will be self-destruct thanks to Mullahs and Mullah-Ishtyle parents.

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You've lost the plot. I've never seen a case where parents knew their kids where turning into terrorists. It was always kept secret.

How is Pakistan youth less dangerous? Pakistan is where they all come to plan, and train for attacks. You cant learn to make and test bombs bottom of your garden. Pakistan is the place to come.

NRP have no force to stop them? what force stops Pakistanis becoming suicide bombers?

I wonder this
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It sounds as though you are a Pakistani resident. Total lack of understanding of western culture, insitiutions and mindset. Philosophy does not stop at borders.

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What about conveniently forgetting the non state actors being used in Jihad. You can't simply placate the governmental responsibility. The blame rests on military dictators and intelligence organizations running amok. Radicalized Mullahs are a direct side effect of using youth for "strategic depth". Even now Musharraf won't turn the jihad tap off completely.
By the way, I heard many, if not all, of the youth are of Pakistani origin in the Toronto terrorism case.

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I think causes primarily pertain to immediate social context ( 1. feelings of alienation due to race-segregation and class-segregation in the host society. 2. feelings of alienation due to class-segregation in the home society ) combined with irrational and conservative social upbringing that imparts a parochial ideology and world-view. This is compounded by secondary factors like international politics and conflicts when one thinks (or is manipulated into believing ) that he/she is being discriminated or targeted as a "community".

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so true...most pakistani , ok baba just few pakistani, ok ok most human beings love to hate basically everyone who is different from them...you name it and they hate it. I think its basically the parents responsibility to teach their kids from the very young age the importance of love and to emphasize the importance of respecting living things. but unfortunately the parents themselves have so much hate that they intentionally or unintentionally pass it to their kids.

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You hit the nail on the head, took that out of my mouth only I couldn't say it as eloquently and concisely as you have done.

Humans are pack animals by nature and we all have to be a part of a group or we feel unfulfilled and void, I myself feel a part of Islam and it's my main identity and I'd rather my pack was an Islamic one instead of a racist one based on ethnicity or common land (which discriminates by denying membership to some humans based on things they have no control over such as race), so I feel a greater affiliation to a Chinese Muslim than I do to a Pashtun Jew or Zoroastrian or an English Christian and I'd stand by my Chinese brother if he was persecuted but I would never do something silly and terrorist because harming those not directly responsible for the suffering of our people is evil and coward, I have a hard time trying to fathom how someone can be so stupid as to believe killing innocent civilians is something Allaah Al-Rahhmaan Al-Rahheem will condone and reward, I'd personally be too scared of waking up in Hell to do something like that.

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One word! Wahabism!

ISI + Wahabi-ism and the Ideology of Pakistan-being the mother of fundametalism in Kashmir, Afghanistan and Western countries.

My two cents.

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Wow, that is a disturbingly accurate analysis LOD

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Wahabi-sim? Were Taliban Wahabis? No dude, they were\are not. They are Deobandis. And if you know anything about Islamic politics there is a lot of difference.

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The millions upon millions of Afghans which have been living in Pak and using our passports to travel abroad can only be greatful to us. What we get in return however is a whole lot of ethnic-superiority-mumbo-jumbo, AK-47s, ,hashish and TONS of hatred. Just go to ANY Afghan forum, and see what is said about Pakistan, that ought to open your eyes. I remember when my neighbour in Islamabad was robbed by what was later found out to be a gang of Afghans, they left saying that "Agar merey paas itna paisa aa jayey tau mai sara Pakistan jalaa doon" (If I ever got this much money I'd burn all of Pakistan). Love is, I'm afraid, a two way process.

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Parissnoor,u shud keep in mind,online users only represent a certain spectrum of the Pakistani society.I was brought up in a culture where there was free interaction with pathans,and it was all good.
When we say taleban,we arent bashing afghans in general,i think they made the most critical and dumb mistake by deciding not to give up OBL,they jeopardized the whole country that very instant and to expect Pakistan not to help U.S. in that time when the world view was soo much against Afghanistan would have been a diplomatic/economic suicide,much like the above mention taleban blunder,we already had so many sanctions slapped bcoz of going nuclear.And besides,i dont understand,the Uzbeks,the kuwaitis,all allowed the U.S. to use their bases,and only Pakistan is strongly criticized.Last but not the least,when it did happen,no Pakistani wanted to see Afghanistan burn but it was inevitable bcoz of that decision.
Hey we made the taleban,or atleast when it started out.And i didnt know they were deobandis,they sure didnt act like deobandis.But then again,deobandis are inspired alot by wahabis,or have wahabist thinking.And then when u take into consideration that they were so close to the wahabi AQ,it makes perfect sense that they were so extreme.

Idealogy of Pakistan,would u like to expand on that?????

I dont mind Afghans using our passports and living in Pakistan as long as they dont do anything against the govt. even the criminals,we had alot todo in that, esp. the drug trade to finance the war against the soviets.

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Generally you'll find these are the idiot religious type, grown up in the West type self professed Afghans who really arent Afghan, but Indian. I'm surprised, no shocked by the number of 5ft 2" Tamil like Dravidians claiming to be Pathan or Afghan here.

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More or less true, but there were many countries and people who supported the Taliban initially, and not all Afghans are Taliban at all. Afghans or even Pashtuns all think differently.