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^ Sure, and so is South Africa.
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er, in what way does South Africa’s foreign policy infringe foreign countries’ citizens human rights. 
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Are you denying?
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are you confused 
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One could argue that without the US defeating despot, imperialistic, facist, nazi, communist, totalitarian regimes over the past 100 years far fewer people are dying and are living in freedom.
Or one could argue that the medical and technological advances by Americans over the same period have saved millions of lives, extended the lives of millions of others, and improved the standard of living for millions of others.
Can jihadis make any such claims or only the destruction of lives? That's what happens when you make a moral comparison. It's BS. Grasping at straws at best, or at least an inability to grasp the truth.
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You have a point there Salmonella, I was just trying to present an alternative argument :halo: However, regardless of American’s contributions to humanity, it has also made a considerable number of bad foreign policy choices which has undoubtedly resulted in the deaths of millions of people, be it this century or the previous one.
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It’s quite easy. It’s exactly the same psycology at work when Americans deny that their foreign policy has NOTHING to do with 9-11.
No one wants the burden of soul searching.
But then, is it really important in either case? So long as the American leadership learned that invading another country is not a cake walk (and after Iraq I hope so), and that Muslim militants learn that terrorism will set them back and not forward…then who cares what the average American or Muslim thinks?
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I agree, there have been bad foreign policy choices. But what other country in this super power position could have done better? What country/people with so much power would be more benevolent, made less mistakes? If we took all the mistakes out of the equation to go with all the good the US has done, then we are talking about benevolence on a Biblical scale. Which let’s face it, is not realistic and ain’t gonna happen on this earth anytime soon.
So why comparing jihaid terrorists to the superpower that has lead the world toward more freedom, democracy and modernization is an “alternative argument” - it’s not a well thought out, unbiased or truthful one.
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How many people have been "freed" by the foreign policy of the Islamofascists?
Over just the last 60 years, US foreign policy is directly responsible for extending and/or protecting freedom to well over a hundred million people in Western Europe, Eastern Europe and Asia alone.
Maybe we don't have a perfect record, but, on balance, we've done more good for more people than any other country in the world. Not a bad resume.
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If we took all the good the US has done out of the equation to go with all the bad US has done, then we are talking about a master devil, someone a sure-shot for hell, a monster never ever seen before. Which no one can compare on this earth anytime soon.
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May be people/nations who were effected by the US’s direct interventions should judge that and not you, ask them what they think of US, no? How many people would really say “Good USA” and how many people will say “Bad USA”? This issue can be discussed “till the cows come home”.
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Arguably, those so-called “islamofascists” were in cahoots with the “Free loving” USA when they bankrupted the soviets in afghanistan. So, who gets credit?
The fact is, US foreign policy in Europe has nothing to do with it’s policy in the middle east. If anything, it simply speaks to the attitude that Muslim lives are cheap, and European lives are sacred.
OBL is a murderer. But, in the context of the middle east, so is Bush and Blair. They’ve in fact killed more.
Let’s not delude ourselves into thinking there is a sole monolithic foreign policy at work. It’s not all bad. But in the region in question, it in fact is.
There are double standards, and sickening one. Just look at Isarael. Yet, the Indonesians get the paddle because of East Timor. Whatever…
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I heard on the radio (Galaxy FM I think) today that the number of people who died in the London attacks is on average the same number as the innocent Iraqi civilians killed everyday by the Allied Forces ever since USA invaded Iraq and that 80% of the civilians killed altogether were at the hands of troops whilst 20% were through suicide bombers etc. Not to say that justifies the killing of Americans and British civillians but the goverments and armed forced of these countries are just as much a terrorist if not worse as the suicide bombers.
It’s not often we hear statistics like this because all media is owned and controlled by the Jews who have their own political motives for their unbalanced and unfair portrayal of things..
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Yes, the Jews also control the stars and the moon. It is common knowledget that the moon is made of gevinas yisroel.