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Yes Fasial I've stated several times that the Repub's have successfully painted (falsely) that the Democratic party is immoral. But here's what Democrats see as moral values; Compassion is a moral value. Commitment to human rights is a moral value. Valuing the lives of non-Americans is a moral value. Equality is a moral value. Justice is a moral value. Peace is a moral value. Tolerance is a moral value. Fasial the Repub's did a great job manipulating the American Public but please don't allow yourself to buy into it.

The fact is Democrats will never get the votes of those who have banners that read "The South will rise again" or those who drive around with confederate flag bumper stickers and The democratic party isn't going to change there morals to go after their votes either.

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utd... take a look at this map and tell me again if confederate bumber-sticker'd guys are your only problem.

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Faisal you missed the point.

The Democratic party isn't going to change their morals, which are good, in order to go after a particular group that opposes some of them.
What needs to happen is the Democrates must stand up for their morals and not be allowed to be painted as immoral, that didn't happen this time around.

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Depends on your definition of moral, ofcourse. And its not me, you need to convince - but a majority of American voters. This 'particular group' as you call it are 51% of the people who voted for Bush. There is a constant slide in Dem votes over the last few years. You can either blame it all on Carl Roves or you can sit down and figure out if you are really on the right track. Up to you.

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Faisal, that map speaks volumes!

Edwards, a virtual #2 in the Primaries did not even carry his own home state! New Hampshire, right next door to Massachusetts took hours to decalre Kerry as the close winner. This is not Dukakis carrying one state, but the trend should be disturbing for Dems.

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Gentlemen:

In order to avoid cumbersome and leave some room open for other threads, lets submit all of our posts related to post-analysis of USA 2004 elections under one of the following threads:

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We have decided not to open million threads discussing USA 2004 elections. We have merged all relevant discussions under these threads. Therefore, if you do not find your separate threads or posts, it should be under one of these threads.

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UTD: I think your analysis that the DEMs only lost the election by 133,000 votes misses the big picture that Faisal speaks about. The magnitude of the loss is seen when you realize that this is the ** first time since 1936 ** that an incumbent President won re-election and increased the number of seats for his party in both the Senate and House. When you take that fact and put it in the context of the steady incremental gains by the GOP since 1980, there can be no conclusion other than the DEMs have a problem. This statistic that I heard is amazing: In 1980 20 or 22 of 26 Senators from Southern States were DEMS. Today, 22 or 24 of 26 are GOP. In only one of the last 10 Presidential elections has a DEM candidate achieved a majority of the popular vote of the electorate.

Look again at that map Faisal put up. Those dots are not all red because the people living there are dumb. Those dots are not all red becuase a majority of the people living there are evangelical christians. Those dots are not all red because the people living there earn over $200,000 per year. While the GOP is a party that does include the dumb, the rich and evangelicals, its tent obviously is much more inclusive than that.

It may surprise you to learn that I was once a registerred Democrat. :eek: I did not lose my way. The Democratic party lost its way and, because of that, it lost me. I am not rich. I am not uneducated. I am not evangelical. But I am Republican and so are millions like me.

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*Originally posted by underthedome: *
Faisal you missed the point.

The Democratic party isn't going to change their morals, which are good, in order to go after a particular group that opposes some of them.
What needs to happen is the Democrates must stand up for their morals and not be allowed to be painted as immoral, that didn't happen this time around.
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dude the problem is that democrates are standing up for immoral issues....at least that is what majority of americans think......i.e gay marriage, stem cell research, abortion u name it....and they can stand up to their "morals" as long as they want.....but they never gonna get into white house with these "morals"

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[QUOTE]
*Originally posted by underthedome: *
Yes Fasial I've stated several times that the Repub's have successfully painted (falsely) that the Democratic party is immoral. But here's what Democrats see as moral values; Compassion is a moral value. Commitment to human rights is a moral value. Valuing the lives of non-Americans is a moral value. Equality is a moral value. Justice is a moral value. Peace is a moral value. Tolerance is a moral value. Fasial the Repub's did a great job manipulating the American Public but please don't allow yourself to buy into it.

The fact is Democrats will never get the votes of those who have banners that read "The South will rise again" or those who drive around with confederate flag bumper stickers and The democratic party isn't going to change there morals to go after their votes either.
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I have to agree with underthedome here.

I also have to say that as a democrat I am deeply offended by the picture painted by most news outlets....

IMHO, the democratic vote of 53,000,000 verses 56,000,000 is anything to scoff at.

What 48% vrs 51%?

Definately exhibits deep divisions in the U.S. as a whole...

Not something one should be proud to call a mandate.

IMHO a mandate is 70% - 30%.

Math teaches > < ...and round figures. If I were to do my Mo. taxes today...I would round 48 to 50 and 51 to 50.

Anyonewatch 700Club? Today Pat Robertson said something on the order of ...." We will not put up with filibusters."

and..

"My held CBN stocks are up by 10 points"

and something about not mentioning the exact stocks held...because he is not pro investor...

And then said something like.... we have 1.2 trillion waiting to enter the stock market????

I thought ^ comment strange. What 1.2 trillion is he talking about? Is he a man of God of a man of Greed?

Wonder if he is thinking about the 1.2 trillion + tag cost Bush's social security plan estimated at?

May God forgive them.

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[QUOTE]
*Originally posted by phoenixdesi: *

dude the problem is that democrates are standing up for immoral issues....at least that is what majority of americans think......i.e gay marriage, stem cell research, abortion u name it....and they can stand up to their "morals" as long as they want.....but they never gonna get into white house with these "morals"
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Let me ask you this.

Do you think banning gay marriage would end homosexuality?

Adding an amendment to the U.S. constitution would prevent homosexual acts?

If you do. You are very mistaken. Look into the brittish archives and you will find cases prosecuted hundreds of years ago...even with death penalities...and today still...exist homosexuals.

Do you think such an amendment makes the world a better place?

I don't.

I don't see how banning gay marriage changes the world at all.

A non-issue that brought out votes.

Freedom, Fairness, Justice, Equality do change the world.

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[QUOTE]
*Originally posted by phoenixdesi: *

dude the problem is that democrates are standing up for immoral issues....at least that is what majority of americans think......i.e gay marriage, stem cell research, abortion u name it....and they can stand up to their "morals" as long as they want.....but they never gonna get into white house with these "morals"
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it has nothing, per se, to do with being a religious or societal belief - ** Any** dynamic that causes discrimination against people who aren't harming others is intolerant.

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[QUOTE]
*Originally posted by phoenixdesi: *

dude the problem is that democrates are standing up for immoral issues....at least that is what majority of americans think......i.e gay marriage, stem cell research, abortion u name it....and they can stand up to their "morals" as long as they want.....but they never gonna get into white house with these "morals"
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As long as ppl like you vote for the brainless.....TRUE!

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I found another interesting piece from James Carville. This guy has been the biggest thorn in the GOP’s butt for such a long time spounting off about how great the DEMs have been. For him to do self evaluation is really remarkable. I’ve gained a lot more respect for this guy since election night and his candor.

Excerpts:
" “We can deny this crap, but I’m out of the denial. I’m about reality here,” Mr. Carville told reporters at a breakfast hosted by the Christian Science Monitor. “We are an opposition party, and as of right now, not a particularly effective one. You can’t deny reality here.” "

"He said he is considering writing a book about what direction Democrats should go.
One possibility, he said, was to embrace a reform-oriented, anti-Washington agenda. That would require the ability of members of Congress to reject pork projects for their districts and stake the party’s fortunes on fiscal discipline. "

whole story is at http://www.washtimes.com/national/20041109-120712-7714r.htm

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Insinsuation is??

Damn..it…they all do it.

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Utter bs, the party fails thus he failed and now he will write a book on how Demos should act and re-act?!
Does that make sense to you?

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I have antique book..easily published 1915.

I hold older antique book..at minimum, 50 years prior.

Your daddies rich.....

and is richness heaven?

or is heaven rich?

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Re: Why Democrats lost and what they should do next? [Merged]

bump.

share ur fight stories
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Re: Why Democrats lost and what they should do next? [Merged]

John McCain for 08.

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Re: Why Democrats lost and what they should do next? [Merged]

Poor Jony, I like the guy but by the time the neo-cons will be through with the white house, he will be lucky to get 30% of the vote.

Anyway, it seems like Dems didn’t have to do anything. Republicans made an ass out of themselves at no charge.

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Re: Why Democrats lost and what they should do next? [Merged]

ahmadjee, McCain is well liked on both side of the aisle. He will be an excellent leader....just wait till the end of 2006 ...that is when the campain season begins :).

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