Darwin’s Theory on evolution of life and species, is again being targetted by religious fanatics of America and is being given full fledged support by the Bush administration. I believe that the most powerful explaination in favour of the theory is that every life form from plant kingdom to the animal world carries the same genetic alphabets. It is possible to have millions of different genetic alphabets but the whole animal and plant world have the same set of genetic alphabets (A, T, C, G). It’s like writing all software programs in one particular programming language despite having the possibility to write the code in different languages. So this itself gives an overwhelming proof that Darwin’s theory of evolution of life was correct. I would welcome the discussion on this subject
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^ because darwin's theory is very unscientific....
based on unrealistic assumptions....
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Even scientists debate Darwin's theory with enough scientists that oppose the theory. There have been quite a few articles on it in the recent past.
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Darwin was a in tech terms a PAGAL!
yes, he was a crazy maniac. His bio and his theories are all of a mad man. He did threw out Theory of evoluation, but if you actually read it. He didn't really believe in it himself, nor he even tried to prove it.
Anyway, research on him first. I think its just waste of breath to talk about him.
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hey can you explain the part about genetic alphabets??i’d like to know more…
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Thank you for your curiosity about genetic science. It’s an interesting subject. Despite being an Electrical Engineer, I recently developed a keen interest in this subject.
Let me explain this subject briefly and in a very simple language to quench your curiosity.
The whole DNA code consists of Genetic alphabets comprising A, T,C and G. These are the unique chemicals. 'A 'always links with ‘T’ and ‘C’ always with ‘G’. This connection forms a ladder like structure. Three sequences of A-T and C-G define a particular Amino Acid. Amino Acid can be considered as a genetic word. There are twenty types of Amino Acids defined by these sequences. So there are twenty genetic words (Amino Acids). Continuous series of these genetic alphabets define how various amino acids will be connected to form a Protien. So we can call the Protien as a genetic sentence. In fact the continuous chain of genetic alphabet which eventually expresses into Protien is called a Gene. Recent research has revealed that there are thirty thousand genes in the human body and so there are thirty thousand different types of Protiens. Whole human body is the interplay of thirty thousand Protiens. The best way to explain this subject is through images and graphics. But unfortunately I cannot draw images here.
I will say here that the whole human body is nothing but a smart genetic program which starts executing at the time of conception and goes through various phases including propagation and finally terminates with the death. We are all smart genetic programs created by nature to alter itself.
I hope I have succeeded in explaining you what you wanted to know in the simplest possible language.
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Sal. What was there before the big bang?
Sincerely,
Captain Lota
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Theory of evolution does have its place in scientific arena. It has been proven in controlled evironments where in something like 200 generations of a certain specie of flies, a mutation developed due to a certain set of conditions being present such as excessive light or excessive cold. I know I know...flies didnt become horses. Hence humans in different areas change skin colors, and maybe even some features over generation. Granted they dont become anything other than humans, but changes do start to occur. In the same context how hard is it for the religious and scientific "thinker" to accept that although the theory of evolution is correct so is the existence of God and the fact that he can make anything happen at any time with just a command. SO being a true Muslim does not mean that you have to discard the theories that have been presented with careful scientific evidence.
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Next generation of scientists will give you this answer. Or probably prove that the big bang theory was wrong.
However, with my limited knowledge, I can think that the universe is expanding and contracting, expanding and contracting, expanding and contracting for ever.
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I respect his theory, as he did a lot of thinking and travelled, researched before drawing conclusion
It is a scientific theory, it should be judged on the basis of scientific reasoning and evidence. Religious fanatics should not have a say in this matter. No one is stopping them from believing what their scriptures say, but passing ignorant remark on topic which they dont have a clue about the topic
I have my own theory. Which I will share when i see fit.
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ahan sal thanks for such a wonderful information about genes and protien...really liked that....
captain lota jee.....i am also interested in big bang theory....
..There are several possible answers, both theistic and scientific, and there isn't yet any evidence to choose between most of them. Let's take the theistic ones first.
Some theists would hold that the Big Bang was a myth, that at some specific point in time -- usually but not always a few thousand years ago -- God created the Universe complete, and pretty much as it is today. The problem with this theory -- held by some conservative Christians, I am not sure how it is viewed in Islam -- is that it means that God created the Universe complete with the evidence of a past existence of many billions of years. This would make out God to be a deceiver, and most theists reject it. (If it is accepted as a possibility, it opens up numerous philosophical problems as well. Thus it is possible to argue that the Universe was created not a few thousand years ago, but days, minutes, or even seconds ago, and that all our memories are equally 'false evidence of a past.' There is no way, if we reject physical evidence and assume this possibility, of choosing between these two ideas.)
A more rational theistic approach would hold that the Big Bang is real, but that it marks the 'Time of Creation.' This would mean that nothing existed before this except the Creator. (An alternate variety of this theory would have the Creator being one of many beings existing in a macrouniverse perhaps as crowded as this one. I have occasionally -- semi-seriously -- suggested that perhaps this Universe is the equivalent of a high school science project created by some immature resident of that macro-universe.)
As for scientific possibilities -- non-theistic but not necessarily athiestic -- it is possible that there was a 'Moment of Creation' (or better "Moment of Beginning") before which nothing existed. This is not inherently impossible or illogical. (It is a necessity that there be one thing that was not created, that either sprang into existence or has existed infinitely in the past. There is no logical reason or evidence to choose between the Universe itself or a proposed Creator
and many more..
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sal35, instead of typing it all out again here, let me provide this link where you can find some of my arguments against the evolution theory as proposed by Darwin:
http://www.paklinks.com/gs/articles.php?action=viewarticle&artid=17
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I am extremely thankful to you for this information. Human evolution has been a subject of great curiosity for me and I love to read about it. Thanks again
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^you're welcome. I would love to read your comments/criticism/suggestions about it
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you mean like creationism?
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The reason religious zealots are attacking Darwin is: If you follow Darwin to his logical conclusion, you defy all religious texts and question the diety of all religions.
It has little to do with logic or anything else. No one has introduced anything that is more testable and has more evidence in nature.
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so here are mine:
coming back to the original question: why has the pre-human vanished whereas the inferior chimp still co-exists with humans?
well, homo sapiens is a fairly new specie, as it has been around for only 40,000years or so…but since apes have been regressing, and are on the verge of exctinction…and most survives in zoo! ie, due to human help!!
human races as we know now are more simultaneous end-products of evolution rather than successive products
there are no human races!! :grimpy: we are all so genetically close that one can not distinguishes btw races among humans!!
After all if in other species quite a few genetically ‘distant’ predecessors can survive, why such a narrow spectrum of intermediaries in humans?
any example?? nope I doubt there are …
How come whales are at the brink of extinction in such a short timespan whereas they were so well adapted to their environment?<O:p</O:p
Well dinosaurs were very well adapted to their environment but as their environment changed they disappeared, so do whales, but now it is humans and volcanism which is the inducing cause for exctinction.<O:p</O:p
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Is this evolution as well? Is this just one of the various paths evolution could have taken?
yes, once I read an interesting theory saying, the goal of evolution so far has been DNA survival, and if you look the facts, human are doing it well and best as they are the only species on earth who can create a bacteria out of “dead” DNA and make it live!
A positive point for the creationistic view is that at least God hasn’t made the same mistake as Evolution has done! <O:p</O:p
Why do you assume that the weaknesses of Darwinism would mean the win of creationism, as I said if you closely at evolution…one striking feature is that life form diversification only serves the purpose of assuring as many diverse ways for DNA to survive, because one can extinguish many species, but the most diverse life forms are, the most chances are that somewhere some survive! And humans have the power, and the will, to create superior creatures who will survive almost anything, thus ensuring DNA survival…maybe one day they will even spread it across the universe, by sending them to Mars, and further. I was told that scientist are looking for extra solar planet only to look for an alternative to earth as human are now endangering survival of life over here, especially with large scale pollution and greenhouse gases release<O:p</O:p
This is only science fiction and we may not live long enough to know if I’m right…..but the future will be another step further in life evolution due to humans! For the best or worst!<O:p</O:p
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How come all mutations known to date give either no change in intelligence or cause a clustering of mentally retarded person at an IQ of 50? If mutations were random and random in their affect one would expect to see a clustering of mutated persons with a higher than normal IQ as opposed to the mentally retarded.<O< font><?xml:namespace prefix = v ns = “urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml” /><v:shape id=_x0000_i1025 style=“WIDTH: 11.25pt; HEIGHT: 11.25pt” coordsize = “21600,21600” alt = “”> </v:shape><O:p</O:p
But what is the scientific relevance of such tests? Personally I think all measuring tools invented by scientist to measure data based on statisctics…(ie 100 as IQ being the mean intelligence among humans), are flawed because statistics are subjective tools!
Researchers are intelligent people, it is not in their personal interest to develop tools that would open the gate to measure high IQs among “abnormal” people…<v:shape id=_x0000_i1026 style=“WIDTH: 17.25pt; HEIGHT: 18pt” coordsize = “21600,21600” alt = “”> <v:imagedata src = “file:///C:\DOCUME~1\fred\LOCALS~1\Temp\msohtml1\02\clip_image002.gif” o:href = “http://www.paklinks.com/gs/images/smilies/biggrin.gif”></v:imagedata></v:shape>Look how proud are some people to refuse to be classified as descedant from apes, so imagine scientist reckoning that some genetically impaired people are more intelligent!!<v:shape id=_x0000_i1027 style=“WIDTH: 11.25pt; HEIGHT: 11.25pt” coordsize = “21600,21600” alt = “”> <v:imagedata src = “file:///C:\DOCUME~1\fred\LOCALS~1\Temp\msohtml1\02\clip_image003.gif” o:href = “http://www.paklinks.com/gs/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif”></v:imagedata></v:shape>…<O:p</O:p
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This actually supports my other claim: that evolution has succumbed to humans. After all, not only chimps, but other species are also regressing, not due to ‘natural’ phenomena, but because of human actions.
So there are 2 alternatives:
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humans are not part of evolution: then evolution has been killed by humans
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humans are as much part of evolution as other species, therefore other species getting extinct is ‘natural’. But in this case again, evolution is so weak it cannot perform a mutation that will immunize a well-developed species to withstand the power of humans
well, if there aren’t any races at all, it actually makes my argument even more easy, since I won’t have to use the ‘assumption’ that there are races in humans, but I can then merely state that the whole of humanity is an end-product, so where does it leave its immediate predecessor?
dogs have very different races. So do cats. there are other examples as well.
again, you’re proving my poinst. Two things:
- If dinosaurs got killed by an eruption, then it is a sudden change that caused their downfall. No matter how well adapted a species is, it will get killed by this sudden thing. Evolution can certainly not help that species then, because it’s just too slow for that. So therefore, volcanos are seen as not part of the evolutionary process, but coincidences that were unfortunate for that species. Now, we can again do two things for humans:
a. we can equate humans to volcanos as sudden change: but then the human will be exempt from the evolutionary process, meaning that evolution is dead now
b. we can still say that humans are part of the evolutionary process and not equate them to the volcano. In this case I’m still waiting for the mutation that will protect a species from humans