Re: Why cry over the death of our worst enemy?
Coz handful of Pakistani Brits and Americans are the only enlightened folks who know how to fight and win this war but not Pakistani military, intelligence, gov or the entire international community with 13 years of warfare experience under their belt. Right?
hey man the Taliban are going to take over the country and enforce their version of sharia if we dont bomb and drone them. k?
Re: Why cry over the death of our worst enemy?
It is really amazing logic that Pakistan wants to talk and negotiate with Kharjee terrorists believing that these thugs would come to their senses or that Pakistan can buy peace from them. Even if negotiation does take place, then also at what cost and what Pakistan could give to these Kharjees for peace? Please help ... what Pakistan can offer TTP?
A: Impose their version of Islam on Pakistan?
B: Declare all Pakistanis these Kharjees do not agree with as ‘Kafir’?
C: Make TTP leader as Amir-ul-Momaneen of Pakistan and worship him?
D: Make every Pakistani lick TTP leaders back side, make them their 'Uncle Khan' and become their obedient nephew 'Imran Khan'?
E: Negotiate that TTP do not kill Pakistanis indiscriminately but Pakistan would randomly pick 1000 Pakistanis every year, or pick up 1000 Pakistanis of TTP choice, and give it to TTP so that they can cut throat of these Pakistanis to calm their killing desires?
Akhir hamay bhie tou pata chalay:
What is there to talk and negotiate with TTP?
What Pakistan could ask them and what Pakistan could give them in return?
Since good Taliban is dead Taliban, in my view only thing Pakistan can talk with TTP is how they would like to get killed and reach their desired destination (Hell-fire):
1: By hell-fire missiles from drones.
2: Carpet bombing by Pakistan air-force followed by Pakistan army moving in to clean the mess and send every member of TTP where they claim they want to go, that is hell-fire … meanwhile Pakistan intelligence and police act against all supporters and financiers of TTP in Pakistan, sending them to hell-fire too, so that they can be with TTP.
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^ There are a few things in your post which I'd like to highlight.
1) Firstly Bacha Khan can be easily mistaken as Baacha Khan who is revered by some people in the country
2) Secondly carpet bombing is not the issue. Why should ordinary people be killed? They are already a cannon fodder and routinely killed by drones, mortars and gunship helicopters on one side and suicide attacks on the other.
I think you have a point with regards to the negotiations not yielding any results, I agree with you. But if I see around myself the narrative in the country is for peace talks, why not let them go ahead? If the negotiations fail they (pro talks politicians) will have to present an alternate solution.
There are over 50 groups who call themselves taleban, if a few can be weaned away through negotiations this could be a positive achievement. However the negotiations should take place under Pakistan's constitution.
Re: Why cry over the death of our worst enemy?
^ There are a few things in your post which I'd like to highlight.
1) Firstly Bacha Khan can be easily mistaken as Baacha Khan who is revered by some people in the country
2) Secondly carpet bombing is not the issue. Why should ordinary people be killed? They are already a cannon fodder and routinely killed by drones, mortars and gunship helicopters on one side and suicide attacks on the other.
I think you have a point with regards to the negotiations not yielding any results, I agree with you. But if I see around myself the narrative in the country is for peace talks, why not let them go ahead? If the negotiations fail they (pro talks politicians) will have to present an alternate solution.
There are over 50 groups who call themselves taleban, if a few can be weaned away through negotiations this could be a positive achievement. However the negotiations should take place under Pakistan's constitution.
Ok ... I changed the word Bacha khan, sorry if anyone took me wrongly.
As for carpet bombing, that was to be in my post as just phrase. It only meant bombing to extreme by our own air force ... else army moving in without backed by extreme bombing will cost lots of army men's lives that is not needed when dealing with these thugs. No doubt before bombing government can do everything for innocent civilians to move out of the area.
As for negotiations and yielding any result, that is what I want to know ... what is at stake when negotiating with these Kharjees, what government can offer them in return for peace?
I do not think these TTP Kharjees want money (they can get that anyhow without giving anything for it)
I do not think these TTP Kharjees want land to live independently (if that is what they want, Independence of area they dominate, then government should give them straightaway).
I do not think these TTP Kharjees are worried about TTP men government have arrested and keep them in prison (they can attack prisons and get them free anyhow).
I do not think these TTP Kharjees really want peace anyhow ... so what peace one can talk with them?
As for negotiating under Pakistan's constitution ... what that means when negotiation can happen under laws both agree ... while Taliban do not even recognize Pakistani constitution, Pakistani courts or Pakistani parliament.
What I believe, these TTP Kharjees want imposition on Pakistan the laws they believe ... and make their leader Ameer-ul-Momaneen of Pakistan ... where Ameer means Kharjee sardar ... and Momaneen means persecuted Pakistanis.
Re: Why cry over the death of our worst enemy?
We have gone through this dance before. How many more times before we are going to be convinced that its not going to work?
http://www.paklinks.com/gs/pakistan-affairs/320493-ulema-diplomacy-to-save-swat-deal.html
http://www.paklinks.com/gs/pakistan-affairs/311722-thousands-rally-for-peace-shariah-in-swat.html
Re: Why cry over the death of our worst enemy?
PMLN and PTI were not involved in this dance before, thats why I think its important.
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brother what is this word kharjiee which i keep hearing on every other forum?
with all due respect, can we pleaseeeeee keep religion out of some discussions at least? pleasee
why do we pakistanis need to bring religion into everything?
those who love taliban are doing it on the name of religion and those who are opposing them are doing it on the name of religion as well
kaya hay yae sub topi drama?
^^^ It is not just religion neither I am against them because of religion. I am against their killing Pakistanis and making havoc in Pakistan with their deeds. I am against their desire to impose their religious cult and beliefs forcefully all over Pakistan.
As about calling them Kharjees, I am calling them what they are ... that is, they are Khajees ... you can see them whatever way you like, you will find that they are Kharjees. :)
They are Kharjees because:
1: They are Kharij from Islam (they do not even like the word Islam ... I mean peace)
2: They are Kharij as believer (they do not believe on Allah so they do not leave anything on Allah and even do suicide believing that they could not afford to leave things on Allah but can change things with their suicide)
3: They are Kharij of being Muslim (they believe they are not Muslim but are judge of Muslims and their faith)
4: They are Kharij from being Pakistani (they claim that Pakistani boundary is not any boundary, as for them their boundary is from Morroco to Indonesia .. some even consider that their boundary is entire world).
5: They are Kharij from all humanity (they love to cut throat of humans).
6: They are Kharij of all intelligence (thinking that they can do all sort of atrocities on creations of Allah and Allah would give them paradise with 72 hoors)
7: They are Kharij of all blessings (wherever they go fear, hurt, killing, havoc, destruction, fitna and fasad follows)
They are Retards, Terrorists, Parasites, Fitna-gar, Zalim, Murderers, Rebels, law-breakers, etc, etc, etc ... and certainly Kharjees in every way
Re: Why cry over the death of our worst enemy?
Please, any spokesperson of PMLN, PTI, or supporters of negotiation with TTP … I would love to know that:
If peace talk happens and TTP ask what Pakistan can give them for peace, something that they (TTP) want and do not already have, than what government would tell them that government is willing to offer TTP for peace?
Re: Why cry over the death of our worst enemy?
Please, any spokesperson of PMLN, PTI, or supporters of negotiation with TTP … I would love to know that:
If peace talk happens and TTP ask what Pakistan can give them for peace, something that they (TTP) want and do not already have, than what government would tell them that government is willing to offer TTP for peace?
Why do you care? Its not like it affects you in anyway. Its like asking the US what they can offer the Taliban and they have been negotiating for the past 2 years.
Re: Why cry over the death of our worst enemy?
Please, any spokesperson of PMLN, PTI, or supporters of negotiation with TTP … I would love to know that:
If peace talk happens and TTP ask what Pakistan can give them for peace, something that they (TTP) want and do not already have, than what government would tell them that government is willing to offer TTP for peace?
What drones have done is that they have made them vulnerable like never before. TTP has perhaps started to realize that the top tier of their leadership cannot breathe risk-free. It might be one reason that Hakimullah showed willingness to sit on the negotiating table.
What Pakistan can give them:
What Pakistan can ask for:
I think except surety against drones, this could be a good starting agenda for the talks. Pakistan may offer to provide TTP-nominated elders official platform to air their voices against drones along with the state. They should be offered to be made a part of a delegation for a worldwide campaign, starting from discussion with the permanent members of the UN Security Council, to get the drones grounded. Pakistan can also promise them half to NATO traffic at the end of an international campaign against drones.
Taliban may ask for imposition of Shariah as they see it. But with the involvement of Ulmea, this matter could be shelved for the second phase while a team of their scholars and state's scholars embark upon finding common ways to move ahead on implementing sharia in letter and spirit.
For trust building and breaking a new ground, I think these points could provide a starting block for the talks and peace.
Re: Why cry over the death of our worst enemy?
Can those who think we cannot reach an agreement with Taliban answer my question REALISTICALLY?
Can we win this war?
Re: Why cry over the death of our worst enemy?
Making peace with the Taliban is like trusting Snakes. At any moment they will strike you.
Its best to eradicate this menace once and for all.
Re: Why cry over the death of our worst enemy?
Can those who think we cannot reach an agreement with Taliban answer my question REALISTICALLY? Can we win this war?
Yes we can win this war.
We must implement a similar strategy what Colombia did against the FARC in the 1990's or Iraq in 2000's. They created a counter-proxy force and armed them and send them in to fight the Guerrillas.
We must do the same. Create a new force, keep a close eye on them, send them in to wipe out the Taliban.
Re: Why cry over the death of our worst enemy?
Making peace with the Taliban is like trusting Snakes. At any moment they will strike you.
Its best to eradicate this menace once and for all.
Yes that is why the US and NATO are making peace with the Taliban.
Re: Why cry over the death of our worst enemy?
This tera kutta kutta hai, mera kutta tommy kind hypocrisy is never ending 
Main karoon to salaa character dheela hai 
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Actually you are defaming Pakistan, writing lies and misguiding posts. Let there be a referendum in Pakistan to see how many people like these ‘maut ke saudagar’ and their brand of faith they want to impose.
Killing of Major-General won’t go unpunished: Kayani
**Being billed as a setback to talks with the Pakistan Taliban, the attack has provoked a strong response from Chief of Army Staff General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani on Monday. He said in a statement that while it is understandable that they give peace a chance through a political process, “no one should have any misgivings that we would let terrorists coerce us into accepting their terms. The army has the ability and the will to take the fight to the terrorists”. He reiterated the “Pakistan Army’s resolve and unflinching commitment in fighting the menace of terrorism, in accordance with the will of the nation and at any cost.”
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Re: Why cry over the death of our worst enemy?
Yes we can win this war.
We must implement a similar strategy what Colombia did against the FARC in the 1990's or Iraq in 2000's. They created a counter-proxy force and armed them and send them in to fight the Guerrillas.
We must do the same. Create a new force, keep a close eye on them, send them in to wipe out the Taliban.
lolz. as if this strategy is not into the knowledge of US. US neither itself could implemented this strategy in Afghanistan nor is going to train/help Aghan forces to implement it
Yes we can win this war.
We must implement a similar strategy what Colombia did against the FARC in the 1990’s or Iraq in 2000’s. They created a counter-proxy force and armed them and send them in to fight the Guerrillas.
We must do the same. Create a new force, keep a close eye on them, send them in to wipe out the Taliban.
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this guy is a genius! lets call up the soviets and tell them of this genius plan. lol stick to your starbucks and ipad .
Re: Why cry over the death of our worst enemy?
Yes we can win this war.
We must implement a similar strategy what Colombia did against the FARC in the 1990's or Iraq in 2000's. They created a counter-proxy force and armed them and send them in to fight the Guerrillas.
We must do the same. Create a new force, keep a close eye on them, send them in to wipe out the Taliban.
Isn't it what we had tried in the shape of Taliban, Lashkars and Jaishs?
You create a monster which, after finishing its job, become Frankenstein's monster. Than you create another monster?
Re: Why cry over the death of our worst enemy?
Can those who think we cannot reach an agreement with Taliban answer my question REALISTICALLY? Can we win this war?
It's an endless war. Thouse who think that an operation can wipe them off, should first check iit out with the US and the Nato if they managed to win it in Afghanistan.