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Yes, I was replying to error's statement that Musharraf has a tough stand on terrorism.
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Don't divert the conversation to Imran Khan, I never mentioned him anywhere.
Tough stand against terrorism? lol that is a joke. The fact is that he doesn't have any tough stand. It is all words. There is no reality or truth to his words. He is doing nothing to save Pakistan but everything to destroy Pakistan.
Judiciary & lawyers moments have 0% impact for him. The only problem for his sinking approval rating is "stand & fight against terrorism". 30-40% people of Pakistan's support taliban & jihadi's. You tell me the solution? Peace deals or operation.
When Mushi conduct operation, civilian dies and then people like you came and start blaming Mushi.
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I am all enough for you guys. Don’t i?
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well lets not compare it with Iraq, thats war torn country with no control whats so ever.
well the intellegence agencies are meant to intercept such attacks before happening, if they have failed in all of them then there must be a problem.
you cant catch a dead suicide bomber,, but what you CAN do it back track his traces and have complete story behind his mission. what compelled him to do such kind of act, money, mind twisting..., faith, sect etc.
9/11 bombers through never caught, but US did have a detailed info afterwards
atleast that kind of result
so it will give pointers how to tackel this illness.
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^^ the only answer is "terrorists are within".
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I am all enough for you guys. Don't i?
You are in e33or (error) :D
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You are in e33or (error) :D
thats why only you & me on the thread.
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Judiciary & lawyers moments have 0% impact for him. The only problem for his sinking approval rating is "stand & fight against terrorism". 30-40% people of Pakistan's support taliban & jihadi's. You tell me the solution? Peace deals or operation.
When Mushi conduct operation, civilian dies and then people like you came and start blaming Mushi.
Of course judiciary and lawyers movement has no impact on Musharraf because he doesn't support free judiciary. He has changed the constitution as if it is some stupid book of his where he can make changes after it has been published. Restoring judiciary means restoring the constitution which is not going to happen with Musharraf.
You are saying that half of the country is supporting talibans and jihais. That is so not true. Yes, there are pro jihadi elements but it is not 30-40%. That is a big figure. This is the propaganda that Musharraf is using in front of the US and the western media.
Civilians die because the operation is delayed and not administered properly. Also when an operation is conducted the actual jihadi forces are not completely cracked down. They are always given some air to come back.
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Of course judiciary and lawyers movement has no impact on Musharraf because he doesn't support free judiciary. He has changed the constitution as if it is some stupid book of his where he can make changes after it has been published. Restoring judiciary means restoring the constitution which is not going to happen with Musharraf.
You are saying that half of the country is supporting talibans and jihais. That is so not true. Yes, there are pro jihadi elements but it is not 30-40%. That is a big figure. This is the propaganda that Musharraf is using in front of the US and the western media.
Civilians die because the operation is delayed and not administered properly. Also when an operation is conducted the actual jihadi forces are not completely cracked down. They are always given some air to come back.
Few days ago 7 civilians dies in swat and people were ranting on gupshup. Want more proofs?
I never said half of the people, 30-40% are supporting them in some ways, I don't want you to trust me. Just go out from Defense & gulberg areas and ask for others opinions.
Gov was delaying the operation coz of possible more civilian deaths, after siege more then 1000 students came out. What was that ?
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They should have been washed out long time but no government will never do that or Mushy will lose his chair.
From your last response it is obvious that Musharraf is giving them an oppertunity to carry on with their acts. Before Musharraf no matter how currupt the government was but the jihadis were never given oppertunities to carry on suicide attacks and stuff.
When there is a will then there is a way. If Musharraf is sincere with the country and not his chair then it can still be done.
Their jihad was pointed towards afghanistan and kashmir before, after 9/11 that is no longer and option and thus the internal "jihad" they have going on. And we supported them officially before, but no longer. This made them angry. Is that simple enough?
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Yes, I was replying to error's statement that Musharraf has a tough stand on terrorism.
He is the only one in pakistan with any stand against terror!
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100 students came out but their fathers, brothers, or uncles who had come to pick them up from far villages after hearing the news were arrested on the name of terrorism and jihadis. What was that?
Of course people will speak up when innocent’s lives are taken away. And why in the first places these jihadis were given the opportunity and power to set their network in sawat?
Sawat was a tourist place; it never ever had any such problems in the past. Why there is no check on these jihadis? Why are they every time given some space to move and set their net in a new place? What is that past governments were doing that had forced these jihadis to dis-arm them and live peacefully?
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Their jihad was pointed towards afghanistan and kashmir before, after 9/11 that is no longer and option and thus the internal "jihad" they have going on. And we supported them officially before, but no longer. This made them angry. Is that simple enough?
There was no jihad at all. The jihad has been used in false context over the years by Media and those who abuse religion for their political purposes.
Just to clarify on that word as well. There would be no threat If money would be cut off for those, but some of many are still sponsoring those *******s.
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There was no jihad at all. The jihad has been used in false context over the years by Media and those who abuse religion for their political purposes. Just to clarify on that word as well. There would be no threat If money would be cut off for those, but some of many are still sponsoring those *******s.
Also if there was no mention of jihad, how will musharraf justify his illegal rule to the US?
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There was no jihad at all. The jihad has been used in false context over the years by Media and those who abuse religion for their political purposes. Just to clarify on that word as well. There would be no threat If money would be cut off for those, but some of many are still sponsoring those *******s.
There was no afghan jihad spearheaded by Amir-ul-Momineeen Zia-ul-Haq? Majority of Pakistanis were jumping with joy in support of mujahideen during those years. Only some parties were warning against this, but they were deemed traitors just like now. But you just love rewriting history don't you?
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Also if there was no mention of jihad, how will musharraf justify his illegal rule to the US?
Entire world knows jihadists are behind majority of world terror. There is n doubt except in the minds of "main na manoon" group.
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There was no afghan jihad spearheaded by Amir-ul-Momineeen Zia-ul-Haq? Majority of Pakistanis were jumping with joy in support of mujahideen during those years. Only some parties were warning against this, but they were deemed traitors just like now. But you just love rewriting history don't you?
Zia Ul Haqs greatest mistake was spawning the party of ethinc facist terrorist\gangsters .... MQM
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Zia Ul Haqs greatest mistake was spawning the party of ethinc facist terrorist\gangsters .... MQM
Except he didn't and MQM is only a threat to jihadi terrorists and their supporters.
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^Lets send some 5000 lalukhetiz to northern areas to clean up the mess MQM's daddy Zia creatd and their uncle Mush nourishing.
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with more and more suicide bombers then ever operating in Pakistan to "liberate" people.
leaving what and who is behind it. why the police or spy agencies failed to predict or track these fundos after getting even videos and heads of them.
they cant find a single person who can identify them?? or anyone from their family report they are missing or recognise them?
all we hear we will catch them.... balah blah and then the next one happen. people forget about previous and govt too.
this bloody nation has paid heavey price to have better trained and equiped Armed and Agencies. if they cant trace a single person whereabouts, they should consider their heavy budgets. not a single suicide bomber has been traced?
this government should resign along with their heads of agencies and police.
its difficult to trace the suicide bombers, they are spread across all over the country, people get awarness abt them