They’re giving you their time. There’s nothing haram in asking for money in return. Why are you against them charging for it? Don’t you pay the doctor every time you visit? Why not ask them to stop charging you? Why are Pakistanis so stingy?
Note, when I say amils, I speak of those who are on Quran and Sunnah and obviously those who don’t charge ridiculous amounts.
Re: Why are you against Amils charging but not against doctors?
Peace Janjua39
I think the responses of those who are not in favour of paying the 'amil is nested neatly within the Note that you have given below your question.
It's about confidence in them being honest 'amils ... An 'amil is generally a pious person and piety is reflected in their desire to help over their desire to make a profit. Doctors on the other hand are recognised to have chosen their career path for the pay check as well as for the service to society. Doctors have a certificate, a degree and their art is more or less objective and there are medical tribunals in place for any malpractice.
'Amils are not controlled under a quality circle or guild and the confidence is just not there - there are far too many frauds and the art is too mysterious for people to realise they are being hoodwinked or not, so it is natural to expect a lot more caution - yes, to pay an 'amil is valid for his service ... But the condition for payment should really only be if the service he provided works ... not paid for his time.
Re: Why are you against Amils charging but not against doctors?
Peace Janjua39
I think the responses of those who are not in favour of paying the 'amil is nested neatly within the Note that you have given below your question.
It's about confidence in them being honest 'amils ... An 'amil is generally a pious person and piety is reflected in their desire to help over their desire to make a profit. Doctors on the other hand are recognised to have chosen their career path for the pay check as well as for the service to society. Doctors have a certificate, a degree and their art is more or less objective and there are medical tribunals in place for any malpractice.
'Amils are not controlled under a quality circle or guild and the confidence is just not there - there are far too many frauds and the art is too mysterious for people to realise they are being hoodwinked or not, so it is natural to expect a lot more caution - yes, to pay an 'amil is valid for his service ... But the condition for payment should really only be if the service he provided works ... not paid for his time.
jazakAllah khair.
i guess when you say "if the service provided works", you want to weed out the fake amils... since the service consisting of Quran ayats and dhikr works 100%, may not be apparent in this dunya.. so here again I think condition should be for his time. Allah knows best.
Re: Why are you against Amils charging but not against doctors?
Peace brother
If you look at the Hadith on ruqya ... You will see all the times people gave payment it was after the 'cure' ...
Here is an example:
Sahih Bukhari Hadith (Volume 7, Number 633) Narrated Ibn 'Abbas (May Allah be pleased with him)
Some of the companions of the Prophet (prayers and peace be upon him) passed by some people staying at a place where there was water, and one of those people had been stung by a scorpion. A man from those staying near the water, came and said to the companions of the Prophet (prayers and peace be upon him) , "Is there anyone among you who can do Ruqya as near the water there is a person who has been stung by a scorpion." So one of the Prophet's (prayers and peace be upon him) companions went to him and recited Surat-al-Fatiha for a sheep as his fees. The patient got cured and the man brought the sheep to his companions who disliked that and said, "You have taken wages for reciting Allah's Book." When they arrived at Medina, they said, -O Allah's Apostle! (This person) has taken wages for reciting Allah's Book." On that Allah's Apostle said, "You are most entitled to take wages for doing a Ruqya with Allah's Book."
The service for ruqya is only ever requested for worldy problems ... From posession to bee stings ... There are discrete problems and discrete signs of effectiveness ... No one goes to an 'amil for a du'a ... But for a cure ... And if we ask for some to do a du'a for us ... That is not chargeable as there is no evidence for that in Hadith, but ruqya is charged ... Which is to use the words of Allah (SWT) as a medicine to illnesses of the heart, soul and psychological disposition ... All ailments are tangible and all remedies are too.
The true 'amil will state his fixed price for the cure ... And will keep doing what he needs to do until the patient is cured ... And then receive his fixed payment.
Re: Why are you against Amils charging but not against doctors?
Also Pakistanis probably give more money to 'amils than other nations too ...
jazakAllah khair brother for clarifying.
i had read somewhere and listened to lecture in which it was stated about time. that's why it's my head.. will post if i see it..
Re: Why are you against Amils charging but not against doctors?
jazakAllah khair brother for clarifying.
i had read somewhere and listened to lecture in which it was stated about time. that's why it's my head.. will post if i see it..
BarakAllahufiq ... no worries ... That would be a form of rib'a ... When a contract is drafted ... One agrees to pay for a service ... If the service does not deliver what it sets out to deliver then the contract is void.
If I hire someone my contract should stipulate how much time I want them to do ... Say a cleaning service ... £10 per hour is nominal ... But If draft my contract with... £10 for each item cleaned and the cleaner only cleans 3 items in 5 hours ... Then I don't pay £50 ... For 5 hours of work ... But £30 for three items.
short end is ... A ruqya service is a contract to treat an illness ... It is not a time based contract for ongoing service, because one would have to ask about value for money ... And if there is no value for money it falls in to your note again ... "Ridiculous amounts" ... Any amount is ridiculous if the treatment is dud.
if however, the 'amil cannot achieve the desired results ... He would be honest and say so after 3 treatments and break away from the contract ... This is where the recipient can choose to pay the 'amil for their time ... Under no obligation.