It has been only year since this new govt have sworn in, and IK, pervaiz illahi, shk Rasheed and TuQ became restless…why? Is sky falling? No matter how bad the era of. NS going to be, it is going to be better than what we have seen in Zardari era…
So why not you wait for another 4 years, and prepare for the elections beat them out and become the govt…
Btw, pervaiz illahi’s fear is understand able as his son’s carrier and money is at stake…
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So why not you wait for another 4 years, and prepare for the elections beat them out and become the govt...
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What is the use of elections when they are to be rigged? Might as well save some money than have mubarak or saddam hussain type elections.
PS Daal may kuch kaala hai since if it wasn't then noon league federal govt won't fire Nadra chief and do other rorras, but instead shut up imran khan for good by doing a free and fair investigation.
PS 2 If zardari is any clue, then I want Musharraf back as he was much better than zardari 'shaheed" + CTBT combined.
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Its because they have no concept of democracy or governance. They are unable to fulfill the basic requirements of a democracy which is to use the existing system to air your grievances.
Zardari was more supportive of democracy than Imran Khan has been. Public demonstrations are great if its a common man organizations, but when political parties do so when not concentrating on governance they are destabilizing the process.
Its interesting to note that at no point as Imran Khan and the PTI strengthened the democratic process established in Pakistan.
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Essentially, PMLN has repeated its mistakes of the 90s, by striving for a totalitarian govt where Sharifs rule.....where institutions are Sharif's personal departments. They have no interest in letting the judiciary work freely, they dont want the police to be independent..they have no plans for electoral reforms. TO say that Zardari was better than them seems like an understatement now.
As bad as Zardari was, he was a crafty diplomat, and knew how to please everyone, even the opposition. Sharifs on the other hand, seem to believe that they are the unofficial kings of Pakistan, and their kids are their heir apparent.
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Its because they have no concept of democracy or governance.
That is soo true. Pakistanis are generally so ready to rip off democracy as the root of all evils without even knowing wut exactly it is. If the parties/officials/elements are doing something terrible doesnt mean the system which by itself is in infancy is bad.
I can bet there'll be a ton of ppl right now who'll luv to see this govt getting toppled by khakis today cuz ofcourse as how they say, "Aur lao jamhuryat" :)
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That is soo true. Pakistanis are generally so ready to rip off democracy as the root of all evils without even knowing wut exactly it is. If the parties/officials/elements are doing something terrible doesnt mean the system which by itself is in infancy is bad.
If institutions are functional, then the public would simply sit back and watch in an ideal world, where most of those in power right now would be behind bars for crimes like money laundering, hate speech, incitement etc. But since our institutions are institutionalized during every democracy, its a bit difficult to blame the public for losing hope.
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If institutions are functional, then the public would simply sit back and watch in an ideal world, where most of those in power right now would be behind bars for crimes like money laundering, hate speech, incitement etc. But since our institutions are institutionalized during every democracy, its a bit difficult to blame the public for losing hope.
But the public hasn't lost hope. Its the anti-democratic elements in our society which are hell bent on destroying whatever is being created.
And Imran Khan and the PTI are currently acting like anti-democratic forces. They aren't working on due process or the established democratic processes. They aren't following the court processes, they aren't running within the rules.
They are going beyond the scope of the rules and basic governance functions. They are holding jalsas and protests which do nothing more than weaken the democracy in Pakistan.
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And Imran Khan and the PTI are currently acting like anti-democratic forces. They aren't working on due process or the established democratic processes. They aren't following the court processes, they aren't running within the rules.
They are going beyond the scope of the rules and basic governance functions. They are holding jalsas and protests which do nothing more than weaken the democracy in Pakistan.
Talking about elections, PTI followed the law to the letter by going to tribunals, which promised resolution of all conflicts in 120 days. But even after 365 days, we saw most of the petitions delayed by way of political influence, judge tampering, NADRA tampering and what not. Stay orders became the norm again. So how long would one expect them to sit and watch these toothless organizations (not) work?
PTI hasnt talked about midterm elections. Their push is simply about strengthening institutions, which PMLN is the least bit bothered with.
Democracy is not a one man show. But these status quo parties have made it so, which is why the public doesnt seem to mind as much when army takes over, because they are simply trading one one-man-show for another.
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Talking about elections, PTI followed the law to the letter by going to tribunals, which promised resolution of all conflicts in 120 days. But even after 365 days, we saw most of the petitions delayed by way of political influence, judge tampering, NADRA tampering and what not. Stay orders became the norm again. So how long would one expect them to sit and watch these toothless organizations (not) work? PTI hasnt talked about midterm elections. Their push is simply about strengthening institutions, which PMLN is the least bit bothered with. Democracy is not a one man show. But these status quo parties have made it so, which is why the public doesnt seem to mind as much when army takes over, because they are simply trading one one-man-show for another.
Right. And what did the PPP do? Zardari and Co played by the letter of the law and outsmarted every one. That is what politics. Its not that if you don't get your way you go cry in a corner and then protest on the street. The PTI has to follow the letter and spirit of the law if they truly believe in democracy. So far Imran Khan and the PTI have proven they provide on lip service to rule of law and good governance. You want people to follow the law you set the example.
So far the PTI has shown it only cares about the law and order when it works in its favour and the cult following regarding Imran Khan is no different than the way Bhuttos are revered by the PPP.
A mature democracy requires mature politicians who understand that if they have lost they lick their wounds and come back in the next elections. Not that they try to derail the entire process.
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What is the use of elections when they are to be rigged? Might as well save some money than have mubarak or saddam hussain type elections.
PS Daal may kuch kaala hai since if it wasn't then noon league federal govt won't fire Nadra chief and do other rorras, but instead shut up imran khan for good by doing a free and fair investigation.
PS 2 If zardari is any clue, then I want Musharraf back as he was much better than zardari 'shaheed" + CTBT combined.
free and fair elections can only be achieved when the election process will continue, you want the election-officers to perform under extreme pressure for one day or two day max without having any system in place, you would be naive to think that a free and fair election would be possible, instead of crying foul, why not improve the system... if they can make one or two reforms in the election process that would be great, because eventually this rigging thing will wear off..
2ndly crying that these elections were all rigged is false statement is nothing but a slogan to derail the process, but somebody need something to create agitation otherwise someone is scared to hell that they won't be getting chance to rule Pakistan or their age won't let them govern properly after five years.
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The ones who are eager to send current govt home, what system they have to replace them??? you send them home, with the current projects they have started all sympathy will be with them and there is possibility that they may win again... the Shk Rasheed element would maximum be able to win a seat or two, MQM's status in Karachi remains the same, ANP might gain few seats in KPK, Chaudries of Gujrat would at max can win another 2 or 3 seats whereas, there is greater chance that PPP may win few of its seats from PTI and PTI may end as a sore looser in the next election game if this govt is toppled.
The other option is bringing in the Martial Law, well if that happens, then we can say good bye to the federation of Pakistan.
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PMLN the party and supporters act so delusionally confident and painfully insecure and scared all at the same time. If the party has won and fair square in Punjab and opposition have no ground whatsoever, then launch the repeatedly requested judicial inquiry into four constituencies and send the protesters home. What's army got to do with any of that and what exactly is so criminal, so undemocratic and immoral in asking the courts to deal with damaging rigging allegation that's been properly filed through? f you have nothing to hide and nothing to lose then act like a aggressively defensive fraudsters? Maybe the party that claims to be the last standing bastions of jamhooriyat *can explain this, once they figure what *jamhooriyat really stands for.
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LOL coming back to 4 seats you are talking about, although i have posted response on that one, i’ll post it again here and see if you can respond to it.. logically…
Saad Rafiq vs Imran Khan – Full Speech | PKPolitics - Pakistan Politics
have some courage and listen the whole statement, it was said on the floor of the house in presence of IK…
now coming back to my earlier post in this thread, the one calling for fall of this govt… what is the alternative system?
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I've listened to Saad Rafique's prime time wailing plenty of times in the talk shows. He's a typical example chor ki daari me tinka. Instead of coming on TV and crying why can't they just launch judicial inquiry? Since they have nothing to lose, why act so defensive. This the start and end of every argument.
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^^ have you listened to this one or not!!!
like i said, it was in assembly...
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^^ have you listened to this one or not!!!
I believe I have.
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so any idea which 4 const. he is talking about..
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yes jehangir tareen, ayaz sadiq vs Imran khan , (both were announced winner on 11th may night), saad rafique vs hamid khan (again hamid khan was declared winner on 11th may night, moreover khawaj sahib was caught by army during polling time because he was interfering in women polling station),but all three lost in the morning. other one is Sialkot one khawaja asif vs usman dar it was close tie kabhi pti agay kabhi noon, in the end result anay band and subah pti lost.
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yes jehangir tareen, ayaz sadiq vs Imran khan , (both were announced winner on 11th may night), saad rafique vs hamid khan (again hamid khan was declared winner on 11th may night, moreover** khawaj sahib was caught by army during polling time because he was interfering in women polling station**),but all three lost in the morning. other one is Sialkot one khawaja asif vs usman dar it was close tie kabhi pti agay kabhi noon, in the end result anay band and subah pti lost.
are u referring to video which shereen mazari was showing?
where & by whom this announcement was made?
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are u referring to video which shereen mazari was showing?
no no , I myself watched on 11th may, sub channels pe breaking news aye because ladies called army k he is interfering. I don't know which video shireen mazari showed