Why Are They Killing Us

The lone true conservative voice in America…In complete contrast to the neo-conservative facist christian zionist who hold a foreign entity’s interes more paramount then their own country’s…

Why Are They Killing Us

By Patrick J. Buchanan


© 2005 Creators Syndicate Inc.

Who carried out the London massacre, we do not know. But, as to why they did it, we are already quarreling.

President Bush says that the terrorists are attacking our civilization. At Fort Bragg, N.C., he explained again why we are fighting in Iraq, two years after we overthrew Saddam Hussein. “Iraq is the latest battlefield in this war,” he said, in “a global war on terror.”

“Many terrorists who kill … on the streets of Baghdad are followers of the same murderous ideology that took the lives of citizens in New York, Washington and Pennsylvania. There is only one course of action against them: to defeat them abroad before they attack us at home.”

Bush was echoed by Sen. John McCain. Those terrorists in Iraq, McCain told Larry King, “are the same guys who would be in New York if we don’t win.” We fight the terrorists over there so we do not have to fight them over here.

But is this true?

Few Americans have given more thought to the motivation of suicide-bombers than Robert Pape, author of “Dying to Win: The Logic of Suicide Terrorism.” His book is drawn from an immense database on every suicide-bomb attack from 1980 to early 2004. Conclusion: The claim that 9-11 and the suicide-bombings in Iraq are done to advance some jihad by “Islamofascists” against the West is not only unsubstantiated, it is hollow.

“Islamic fundamentalism is not as closely associated with suicide terrorism as many people think,” Pape tells the American Conservative in its July 18 issue. Indeed, the world’s leader in suicide terror was the Tamil Tigers of Sri Lanka. This secular Marxist group “invented the famous suicide vest for their suicide assassination of Rajiv Ghandi in May 1991. The Palestinians got the idea of the vest from the Tamil Tigers.”

But if the aim of suicide bombers is not to advance Islamism in a war of civilizations, what is its purpose? Pape’s conclusion:

[S]uicide-terrorist attacks are not so much driven by religion as by a clear strategic objective: to compel modern democracies to withdraw military forces from the territory that the terrorists view as their homeland. From Lebanon to Sri Lanka to Chechnya to Kashmir to the West Bank, every major suicide terrorist campaign – over 95 percent of all incidents – has had as its central objective to compel a democratic state to withdraw.

The 9-11 terrorists were over here because we were over there. They are not trying to convert us. They are killing us to drive us out of their countries.

Before the U.S. invasion, says Pape, “Iraq never had a suicide attack in its history. Since our invasion, suicide terrorism has been escalating rapidly, with 20 attacks in 2003, 48 in 2004 and over 50 in just the first five months of 2005. Every year since the U.S. invasion, suicide terrorism has doubled … Far from making us safer against terrorism, the operation in Iraq has stimulated suicide terrorists and has given suicide terrorism a new lease on life.”

Pape is saying that President Bush has got it backward: The Iraq war is not eradicating terrorism, it is creating terrorists.

The good news? “The history of the last 20 years” shows that once the troops of the occupying democracies “withdraw from the homeland of the terrorists, they often stop – and stop on a dime.”

Between 1982 and 1986, there were 41 suicide-bomb attacks on U.S., French, and Israeli targets in Lebanon. When U.S. and French troops withdrew and Israel pulled back to a six-mile buffer zone, suicide-bombings virtually ceased. When the Israelis left Lebanon, the Lebanese suicide-bombers did not follow them to Tel Aviv.

“Since suicide terrorism is mainly a response to foreign occupation and not Islamic fundamentalism,” says Pape, “the use of heavy military force to transform Muslim societies … is only likely to increase the number of suicide terrorists coming at us.”

What Pape is saying is that the neocons’ “World War IV” – our invading Islamic countries to overthrow regimes and convert them into democracies – is suicidal, like stomping on an anthill so as not to be bitten by ants. It is the presence of U.S. troops in Islamic lands that is the progenitor of suicide terrorism.

Bush’s cure for terrorism is a cause of the epidemic. The doctor is spreading the disease. The longer we stay in Iraq, the greater the number of suicide attacks we can expect. The sooner we get our troops out, the sooner terrorism over there and over here will end. So Pape says the data proves. This is the precise opposite of what George Bush argues and believes.

How would we defend our vital interests in the Gulf?

Answers Pape: As we did in the 1970s and 1980s. By getting our troops out, removing the cause of suicide-terror, leaving behind stocked bases and putting U.S. carrier and air forces over the horizon to ensure the Gulf oil flows. But unless and until American troops are withdrawn from the Middle East, the suicide attacks continue.

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I wonder if anyone has this job title on a business card?

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Checking it’s not copyrighted? :hehe:

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As we sowed, so do we reap

By ERIC MARGOLIS

LONDON -- "The purpose of terrorism is just that -- it is to terrorize people and we will not be terrorized." So declared a sombre, determined Prime Minister Tony Blair on Thursday after the worst bombings in London's recent history.

Blair spoke for all Britons. In the crowds milling about central London right after the four bombings, I saw people who were dazed, confused, and edgy, but no fear or mass panic. Britons rise to their full measure in adversity. And so they did in spades on 7/7, their smaller version of America's 9/11.

London's emergency service functioned brilliantly. There was none of the chaos or jingoism we saw after 9/11 in New York. Britons uniformly exhibited stiff upper lips, coolness, and manners for which they are deservedly respected. I was very proud of them.

The bombings paralyzed London during morning rush hour, but by afternoon the city's trademark red buses were again careening around corners and even subway service partly resumed.

There were no witch hunts against London's Muslims, 10% of that great city's population.

A senior British police official declared there is no reason why the words "Islamic" and "terrorist" should go together, even though Blair had just used them.

The cop is right. The terrorists who struck London on 7/7 may have been Mideast Muslims, but their primary goal was political, not religious.

Britain's most outspoken, controversial MP, George Galloway, ignored the outpouring of platitudes from British and G8 politicians and hit the nail on the head: "Londoners paid the price for Tony Blair's decision to go to war in Iraq and Afghanistan."

A hitherto unknown group called European al-Qaida affirmed the transit attacks were indeed revenge for Britain's invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq. You can't expect to invade other nations without getting some form of return fire.

Iraq and Afghanistan's regimes were too feeble to resist U.S.-British invasion, and quickly crumbled. But angry Mideasterners and Afghans have launched their own privatized war to counterattack the West. Lacking any modern arms or military organization, they resort to their only major weapon, human cruise missiles.

We are horrified that anyone would attack innocent civilians packed in subway cars. But the extremists and fanatics who do so say they are exacting revenge for the 500,000 Iraqi civilians who died (confirmed by the UN) from the 10-year U.S.-British embargo of Iraq. Or for the destruction in 1991 of Iraq's water and sewage treatment plants, causing massive cholera and typhoid. Or for the occupation of Iraq that has killed tens of thousands more civilians.

We saw the frightful TV footage from the London bombing but no footage at all of the destruction of an entire Afghan village just days before by the U.S. Air Force.

I am not justifying terror attacks, only putting them into context. When we kill them in droves, some of them will strike back.

Osama look-alike?

Calling on such avengers to fight fair is a waste of time.

The London bombing was clearly designed to humiliate U.S. President George Bush, who had declared his so-called "war on terror" almost won.

If Osama bin Laden was behind the attack, it showed America's nemesis is still alive and dangerous. But the relatively modest number of casualties suggested this might not have been a bin Laden operation but one carried out by a new, like-minded extremist group. Embarrassingly, the attacks came right after Blair had assured Olympic officials Britain's security was solid.

The bombers may have come from among Europe's 20-million-strong Muslim community, or were perhaps angry, radicalized British youths of Mideast or Pakistani origin. We do know the head of British counter-intelligence, MI5, just reported to Blair that "Iraq is producing a new generation of militants," replacing the former role of Afghanistan. In other words, the U.S. invasion of Iraq supposedly designed to end terrorism has backfired badly.

Al-Qaida has gone from being a small, isolated organization into a hydra-headed transnational movement whose power and danger is growing.

So this bloody week of 7/7 should make the G8 turn from pop-star evangelism about saving Africa from itself to asking what the Western powers can do about those hothouses now germinating anti-Western violence -- Iraq and Afghanistan.

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as a title as opposed to a written piece it would actually be trademarked.

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Who’s getting reaped? Check the scoreboard.

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All of the following and many more do…
Karl the Nerd Rove, Dick the heartless Cheney, Donald the foot in mouth Rumsfeld, Richard the prince of darkness Perle, Paul the licking comb Wolfowitz, David the bald headed monster Wurmser, William the buck toohted Kristol, Richard the retard Kruathammer, Thomas the doughboy Friedmann and etc. …

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Well its about time y’all owned to your henious crime against the muslims…half a million kids in Iraq was not sufficient to fuel your appetite of inflicting profound suffering and evil …

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By Patrick J. Buchanan

A New Era of Christian Persecution

“If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you.” So Christ told his disciples, and so it has again come to pass.

Not since Stalin’s time have Christians been so savagely persecuted. But it is no longer communists who are the great persecutors, but Islamist mobs from Africa to the Balkans to Indonesia.

Last Sunday during evening services, terrorists detonated car bombs outside five Catholic churches in Mosul and Baghdad. A dozen worshipers perished. Scores of women and children were injured.

Now the Christians are fleeing. In Damascus, Rita Zekert, who heads the Caritas Migrant Center, says that where, a year ago, the refugees were Shi’ite, Sunni, Christian and Kurd in rough proportion to each’s share of the population, “nowadays, 95 percent of the people coming to us are Iraqi Christians.”

According to The New York Times, these refugees “tell of Christian shopkeepers killed by Islamist gangs for daring to sell alcohol, of family businesses sold to ransom stolen children. … They left Iraq, they say, only because they were too terrorized to stay.”

“All Sunday’s attacks were against Catholics rather than Eastern Orthodox churches, suggesting that Christians who owed their allegiance to Rome had become targets in the anti-Western campaign, Catholic clerics said,” says the Financial Times, adding, “Iraq’s 650,000-strong Christian community is depleting fast. Most of the 3 million Christians of Iraqi origin now live abroad, mainly in the U.S. and Western Europe. Tens of thousands have moved to Syria and Jordan, many crammed into tenement blocks, living on charity, banned from work and waiting for visas out of the Arab world.”

From Lebanon, scores of thousands of Catholics have fled in recent decades, leaving those behind as a shrinking minority in a Muslim land where they once flourished and, indeed, led.

Last May in Nigeria’s second city, Kano, Muslim youth went on a midnight rampage with cutlasses, clubs and machetes, massacring 600 Christians and leaving their bodies in the streets. Sixteen churches burned to the ground. The senior Muslim cleric in the city ordered all Christians out. Some 30,000 were driven from their homes.

In Kosovo in March, Albanian mobs, enraged over false rumors that Serbs were responsible for the drowning of three Muslim boys, looted and torched 17 monasteries, churches and convents. To protect these same Kosovar Albanians, the United States launched a 78-day bombing campaign on Belgrade and Serbia in 1999.

All the world is today focused on Darfur in the western Sudan. Forgotten are the millions of Christians in the southern Sudan who suffered torture, slavery, mutilations, rapes, starvation, massacres and exile at the hands of Sudanese soldiers after Khartoum declared Islamic law for the nation.

Between 1974, when Indonesia invaded East Timor, and 1999, when East Timor voted for independence, the United Nations has documented at least 120 massacres, with many involving hundreds of dead in this small Catholic country. After independence, Indonesian troops slaughtered over 1,000 East Timorese in rage over their decision to break free of Jakarta.

In Egypt, the 6 million Christian Copts have begun openly to protest persecution by Muslim fanatics and local authorities. If, as President Bush has assured us, “Islam is a religion of peace,” what is going on? Why the persecutions? Why the rampages and massacres to force peaceful Christians to flee their homes in Nigeria, Sudan, Kosovo, Iraq, Egypt, Indonesia?

Answer: What is going on in the Islamic world is something akin to what happened in Europe from the Spanish Reconquista in 1492 through the Thirty Years War. As Isabella was determined to expel the Moors and de-Islamicize all of Spain, militant Muslims are today determined to expel all Christians and to de-Christianize the Islamic world.

They intend not only to drive Americans out of Iraq, Saudi Arabia and other Arab lands, but to drive the Christian minorities out – as aliens, traitors and collaborators of the West. Islamic terrorists are engaged in what has been called Fourth Generation warfare, warfare by non-state actors, warfare that will not be defeated with Tomahawk missiles and F-16s. And the militant Islamists conducting this form of warfare against Christian minorities in their midst are only confirmed in the justice of their jihad by America’s imperial presence in Iraq and our domination of the Middle East and Arab world.

The Western empires came and conquered the Islamic world in the 19th and early 20th centuries. They then departed or were driven out in wars of national liberation. But the Christian minorities who had lived peacefully there for 20 centuries, and who were left behind when the West went home, are now paying the price of our occupations and of militant Islam’s determination to purge and purify the Dar al Islam of all the hated residue of the Christian West.

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I agree with him.....people can openly chriticize and attack christianity in the west, but can't do the same with judaism....Christianity is definitely persecuted in the west in the relative context of judaism