accepted in some societies instead of being discouraged?
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good topic shak.
well i guess religion plays a massive part. i can't ever see teen pregnancies (out of marriage of course) ever being accepted in a muslim society. it will just never happen. it depends on how closely a society follows religion. it's not a big deal for goreh cos they don't exactly follow religion very much... well at least the ones i know. teen pregnancies are accepted cos it's just seen as a part of life. parent's let their children go out, have relationships, have sex and then ofcourse there are the consequences. it happens so often that it's not an issue or scandal anymore. on top of that the govenment almost encourages children to have sex. instead of discouraging them, they hand out free condoms and the morning after pill to under 16s without parental consent! that's basically giving them the green light to go ahead and get a free abortion on the nhs if u get knocked up. all a part of 'modern' society that has forgotten religion
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do you mean premarital pregnancies? ...otherwise ask you mother she definitely will tell you either about her or her mother or her MIL getting married in their teens and they had 2-3 kids by the time they turned 20.
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^ yes i think she means premarital pregnancies.
the govenment are also making it acceptable in a sense because health centres and schools hand out free condoms to children!! why are they doing that? it just goes to show that underage sex and as a result teen pregnancies are ok. they should be discouraged from having sex rather than being offered options. they even hand out the morning after pills to under 16's without their parents knowlede or consent.
because they're going to have sex anyway, and as well-meaning as a parent might be, once a teen has decided its going to happen, they're going to do it, with or without parental consent. they might as well have available protection from std's and pregnancies rather than having nothing. as for the morning after pill, its complicated. on the one hand, its probably a good idea to hand them out to avoid unwanted pregnancies from happening; on the other, if its not regulated somehow, i can see people using those as a fail safe and going ahead anyway knowing its there to stop the pregnancy.
its not a simple matter.
as for being accepted, i don't think anyone really "accepts" it as in, its ok to have a baby in your teens, but once it happens, what're you going to do? shun the mom by depriving her of necessary medical care, and thus punish the baby?
i agree that parents need to be much more involved and need to speak to their kids about the risks and consequences of having sex at an early age. maybe they should all view birthing videos and spend a week with a newborn. being sleep-deprived and loaded with such a huge responsibility might make them think twice about it!
Re: Why are teenage pregnancies
good topic shak.
well i guess religion plays a massive part. i can't ever see teen pregnancies (out of marriage of course) ever being accepted in a muslim society. it will just never happen. it depends on how closely a society follows religion. it's not a big deal for goreh cos they don't exactly follow religion very much... well at least the ones i know. teen pregnancies are accepted cos it's just seen as a part of life. parent's let their children go out, have relationships, have sex and then ofcourse there are the consequences. it happens so often that it's not an issue or scandal anymore. on top of that the govenment almost encourages children to have sex. instead of discouraging them, they hand out free condoms and the morning after pill to under 16s without parental consent! that's basically giving them the green light to go ahead and get a free abortion on the nhs if u get knocked up. all a part of 'modern' society that has forgotten religion
And they are doing it right. What's the harm in giving out free condoms? And in getting an abortion? Or you would rather have every relationship ending in a pregnancy? Our society thinks too much about others and not enough about themselves lol.
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U live in this same society, don't you? Tell me, are they forcing you to stay there? Have they put you on a travel ban list and confiscated your passport so you can't come back to our righteous country?
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^ every relationship would not end in pregnancy if children were not encouraged to have sex in the first place. giving out condoms to children of school age is the same as saying 'hey go ahead and have sex!' yes of course there will be those who have sex regardless of what they are told but if teachers and school nurses handing out condoms is not encouragement then i don't know what is. if so many options were not available to children in forms of contraception and abortion then less children would be having sex. as for those who fall pregnant, they wouldn't be getting themselves into that situation if they weren't comfortable in the knowledge that tax payers would be footing the bill.
as to ur second point what has it got to do with this discussion?
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^ yes i think she means premarital pregnancies.
because they're going to have sex anyway, and as well-meaning as a parent might be, once a teen has decided its going to happen, they're going to do it, with or without parental consent. they might as well have available protection from std's and pregnancies rather than having nothing. as for the morning after pill, its complicated. on the one hand, its probably a good idea to hand them out to avoid unwanted pregnancies from happening; on the other, if its not regulated somehow, i can see people using those as a fail safe and going ahead anyway knowing its there to stop the pregnancy. its not a simple matter.
it's not working though is it... well at least not in the uk. teen pregnancies and std's are still on the rise.
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as to ur second point what has it got to do with this discussion?
Let's just say I think people who have immigrated to Europe, yet still condemn it's culture are pathetic. If you find the culture so immoral, why don't you come hopping back?
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where did i condemn it's culture? show me
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Living in the US and UK does not mean us Muslims will adopt the culture of the gorey log. Obviously if we care about our deen and iman then we will stick to our values and beliefs. After all, the UK/US have many diverse cultures/religions coexisting just fine. You don't see Chinese children having teen pregnancies as much as the gorey log in both nations because their parents guard them well and teach them to care for and value education above all. Its all about how you raise your children and what kind of values/beliefs you instill in them. Not all British/American people agree with policies their own government makes yet they live there because they like 1,000 other things about their nation.
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good topic shak.
** all a part of 'modern' society that has forgotten religion**
But now you will probably say" Show me the world culture" lol :p
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Living in the US and UK does not mean us Muslims will adopt the culture of the gorey log. Obviously if we care about our deen and iman then we will stick to our values and beliefs. After all, the UK/US have many diverse cultures/religions coexisting just fine.
We're going in a completely different direction, should probably open a new thread 4 this, but all I'll say is that it quite easy to keep my strong iman while adopting their culture. I think I mentioned in another thread that most of my family lives in the UK so we go back and forth all the time. Anyways, lahoris are becoming Londoners rather quickly (at least the ppl I know) :p
Neither do you see Chinese children, being forced to wear the hijab, getting married to idiots from "back home" and (esp girls) not being allowed to attend uni cos the parents are afraid they will get raped or something. From what I've seen, Indian Muslims enjoy a much less restricted lifestyle than Pakistani Muslims.
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^ that's not condeming english culture. all i said was teen pregnancies are becoming more accepted as a result of modern society which does not view religion as being very important. please read carefully and understand before getting all jumped up. anyway i don't want to derail this thread any further so lets just agree to disagree :)
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From Pakistani perspective, it’s funny how they criticize south asians for teen marriages but teen pregnancies without getting married are an act of freedom for them 
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Are they really? I personally don't know of any society where they're accepted as such, its just that it does happen and when it does parents will be supportive and try to do what they can to help their child and grandchild. At the same time though I think its the last think any parent wants to hear and it is upsetting to them, but at the end of the day you have to deal with it. So I think parents accepting it once it happens is a good thing, because how does disowning your child so that he/she has to be out on the streets and suffer really help anything. Most parents I know still expect their kids to take the majority of the responsibility for the child and when you're a teenager yourself thats fairly overwhelming and enough punishment I'd say.
I'm interested to know what societies have you come across that accept that teenage pregnancies are ok?
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**it's not working though is it... well at least not in the uk. teen pregnancies and std's are still on the rise.
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because kids are not being educated about sex...and that includes the use of condoms and other protection. I agree, teens are having sex too young. We bombarde them with sexy images of men and women, hypersexualized ideas of what a teen should be. All that, and then we complain that nurses are handing out condoms and teachers are giving sex ed classes?? Does not make sense. We should be complaining about the first thing: corporations that teenagers ideas about sexiness, the pressure women feel to fit inot a certain mold, low self esteem in both boy and girl teens...all things that lead them to have sex at a younger age.
Personally, if I had a daughter or son growing up in this age and day, I would want them to have access to these resources...if they decide to have sex, at least they will be prepared and SAFE.
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^ every relationship would not end in pregnancy if children were not encouraged to have sex in the first place. giving out condoms to children of school age is the same as saying 'hey go ahead and have sex!' yes of course there will be those who have sex regardless of what they are told but if teachers and school nurses handing out condoms is not encouragement then i don't know what is. if so many options were not available to children in forms of contraception and abortion then less children would be having sex. as for those who fall pregnant, they wouldn't be getting themselves into that situation if they weren't comfortable in the knowledge that tax payers would be footing the bill.
as to ur second point what has it got to do with this discussion?
ummmmm, every year the uni will have health fare, where along with information about mono and hepatitis, they'll hand out free condoms. as far as i know, i still haven't had intercourse. in high school there was sex ed. again, i never had the inclination to grab a random guy and do it. it had nothing to do with religion, as you say. it had more to do with my own credibility and how i know its so stupid to have sex and then get pregnant at that age.
contraception, like condoms is GOOD. it keeps you away from nasty diseases like syphilis, gonorrhea and AIDS. like SGC said, kids are going to do it anyways (and reasons for it are not as simple as you present it), so why not protect them? why not make it so they DON'T have to get pregnant at 14.
but even with sex ed, even with free condoms, the reality is, that there are unwanted pregnancies at a very young age. so where's the fault? where did society eff up?
^ that's not condeming english culture. all i said was teen pregnancies are becoming more accepted as a result of modern society which does not view religion as being very important. please read carefully and understand before getting all jumped up. anyway i don't want to derail this thread any further so lets just agree to disagree :)
** because kids are not being educated about sex...and that includes the use of condoms and other protection. I agree, teens are having sex too young. We bombarde them with sexy images of men and women, hypersexualized ideas of what a teen should be. All that, and then we complain that nurses are handing out condoms and teachers are giving sex ed classes?? Does not make sense. We should be complaining about the first thing: corporations that teenagers ideas about sexiness, the pressure women feel to fit inot a certain mold, low self esteem in both boy and girl teens...all things that lead them to have sex at a younger age. Personally, if I had a daughter or son growing up in this age and day, I would want them to have access to these resources...if they decide to have sex, at least they will be prepared and SAFE.
the answer is in nina's post. it's the overly sexualizing of everything. clothes for 5 year old girls are just frilly or cute, they have to be sexy. 10 year olds want boobs. 15 year olds are wearing the sluttiest clothes, marketed for htem, which a 26 year old would not even be caught dead in. their role models are britney spear, miley cyrus, that girl from high school musical whose naked cell phone pictures are plastered all over the internet.
religion has nothing to do with it. no one is religion anymore either. go to pakistan, and no one follows religion. its evident in the clothes that people wear. this is media. this is the global culture. this is LACK OF EDUCATION. if you are uneducated about sex ed, all you're going to know is that sex is good. but you will not know the serious and sometimes horrible consequences of doing it.