Why are QADIANIS kafir?

In the name of Allah, Most Merciful, Most Gracious.

Assalam o alikum wa rahmatullah,

For a long time, Qadianis call themselves as Muslims and Mirza Ghulam Ahmed as Mehdi, and as a Prophet. Even though he was an imposter but this is what they believe.

I just wanted to know, if there is a website or a book in Urdu or English that gives solid proofs and reasons that these guys are towards the wrong path.

Are they Kafirs? If they are then how?

Please I just need mature and reasonable answer not emotional and childish. Jazakallah.

Assalam o alikum wa rahmatullah.

[This message has been edited by sabah (edited July 07, 2000).]

Of course there is a book that has proof that Qadiyanis are Kafir, the Quran. A billion times it says that Mohammad (P.B.U.H.) is the last Prophet.

Yes Qr21, there are plenty of books on the web, as well as in bookstores. Their books are banned in Pakistan, but can easily be obtained in civilized countries. Your best bet is to look for them at the newspaper stand, the books and Qadiyani magazines are usually hidden behind other mags due to the grownup nature of the issue and pictures inside. You may also try some videos usually kept in the backside of the video rental store, as they keep them away from general public due to the mature nature of topics discussed. The best one that I have seen so far is the “Hard Qadiyani Gland and Mullahs Aperture”. It discusses the prophecy in gross detail. Hope you will enjoy it.

Allah Almighty sent a large number of Prophets to guide the human beings from the very beginning of humanity. Prophets were sent to each and every community from time to time. The exact number of the Prophets sent is only know to Allah Almighty .It has been narrated that the number ranged between one hundred twenty thousand and two hundred thousand.
Quran the last revealed book of Allah has mentioned the names of various prophets from first Hazrat Adam(A.S) and the last Hazrat Muhammed (S.A.W.W)
The most famous prophets are Adam, Nuh, Shoaib, Dawood, Sulaiman, Ibrahim, Israel, Yaquoob, Yousuf, Moses (Musa), Jesus Christ and Hazrat Muhammed (Peace be Upon Him), after whom the door of Prophethood was closed and sealed, no one can break the seal. If any one dares to break the seal, he would be termed as heretic and non-believer.
Therefore, it is entire universe belonging to any sect, section, tribe or classes have not the slightest difference in this particular Muhammed (Peace be Upon Him). If anyone has full faith in all the necessary tenents of Islam but negates that the line of Prophethood has been terminated after Muhammed (Peace be Upon Him) he is infidel and nonbeliever.
Quran and Hadith (Traditions or Sayings of the last Prophet) provide ample proof of this particular faith i.e. (Khatme-Nabuwat) end of the Prophet.

Quran Says:

Muhammed is not the father of any man among you, but he is the Messenger of Allah and the last one among all the prophets. And Allah knows all things(33-40)

Almost al the interpreters of Quran give the meaning of (Khatamun Nabieen) as last and final prophet.

IMAM GHAZALI explains the said verse as such:

“No doubt the Ummah has unanimously under stood from this word (Khatamun Nabieen) and its circumstantial reference to mean non existence of a Nabi or Rasool ever that (this word calls for) no reservation or tacit interpretion in it, hence its dissident is certainly the one who rejects Ummah’s unanimity”. (AI-Iqtisad fil Etiqad) Ghazali quoted in the Book Gift for Qadiani by Maulana Yosuf Ludhianvi)

Hafiz Ibne Katheer the most renowned commentator of Quran says; “And on this (precept of Khatme Nabuwat) there have come from Allah’s Messenger Mutawatir continous Ahadith which has been transmitted be an unbroken chain of his Sahabas (companions) (Allah be pleased with them).”

Allah has announced the completion of two things in this verse. The first thing is the Deen (Religion) and the second thing is the favour of Allah is the Prophet Muhammed (Peace be Upon Him) . Now till the last day there would be no new religion of Allah nor any newprophet af Allah after the last prophet Muhammed (Peace be Upon Him).

Abu Horaira narrates in Bukhari and Muslim that Prophet said, ‘Certainly any example and the example of Prophets earlier than me is like the example of a place most elegant and most beautiful constructed be a person except (that he left in it ) a blank space for a brick in one of its corners and that made the people (who were) going (unperplexion) why not this brick in laid here”. The Prophet said ‘I am that (corners last)brick and I am the last of the Prophets”.

In Tirmizi it has been narrated as such:

“My example among the prophets has a likeness (in the sense) that a man constructed a palace most lovely and perfect and extremely elegant but left the place of one brick incomplete in it for subsequent inlaying)” then people went around the place and wondered(on its excellence) and said, “would that space for one brick be also filled up”. The Holy Prophet (Peace be Upon Him) said, “I am in place of this brick among the prophets’. Imam Tirmizi calls this Hadith Hasan-Sahih.

In the another Ahadith of Bukhari sa’ad bin Waqqas narrates that the Prophet said to Hazrat Ali “ You have the same relation with me as Haroon had with Moosa except that there shall be no prophet after me”. Besides Saad many other companions have narrated this Hadith, so it is taken as Mutawatir i.e. (transmitted by an unbroken chain of reliable narrators). Some of them are Hazrat Jabir Bin Samrah, Hazrat Umme Salma, Zaid Bin Arqam, Abdullah Bin Umar, Hazrat Huraurah etc.

In another Hadith of Tirmizi Anas bin Malik narrates, Allah’s Messenger said “Verily Risalat and Nabuwwat are terminated so there shall be neither a Rasool nor a Nabi after me .”

(Every Prphet is called a Nabi whether he was given a Shariat or not and the prophet who was given a Shariat is called a Rasool).

In an another Hadith of Kanzul Ummal Abu Horyairah narrates that he Propet said, “ I was first among the prophets in creation and the last of them to be sent as the prophet into the world”.

         In Ibne Maja Abu Amamatul Bahli narrates that Prpohet said, “ I am the last Prophet and you are the last Ummah. 

         There are numerous Ahadith on this subject, this short discourse can not bear all authentic Ahadith. I have chosen some important Ahadith. 

         The faith on Khatme Nabuwat is the universal and accepted fatith of the Ummah from the very beginning  ther is no slight deviation from this faith. 

         Allah completed his Din after sending the last Prphet to His creatures. Now the door of Prophethood is completely closed. This notion is flly propved through Quran and unbroken chain of Ahadith. 

         Hafiz Ibne Kathir writes under the verse Khatamun Nabieen that no prophet will ever be born after Prophet Muhammed (Peace be Upon Him) . Hence the Ummah should know that if a person lays a claim to this status of Prophethood after him such a person is an arch-liar, apretender, an imposter, scandal monger and a seducer of men who is himself corrupt and corrupting others . 

         The last Prophet himself has declaread that, “There shall be nearly thirty pretenders as liar In my Ummah, each one of whome will claim that he is a prophet but there shall be none after me”. 

         One who believes in any kind or shape of prophethood after the last Prophet is a dualist infidel whose capital punishment is obligatory because hs assertion is his belief that the door of Prophethood is not closed. 

         The entire Ummah and Jurist have consensus in this matter that there is no prophet after Prophet Muhammed (Peace be Upon Him) ,  if anyone believes otherwise he is a nonmuslim and kafir. 

         “If a person does not have the belief thathte Holy Prophet Muhammed (Peace be Upon Him) is the lst prophet then he is not a Muslim. If he says I am Prphet of Allah” or says in Perisan language “I am Paghamber” thereby meaning “I convey Allah message” then he also becomes an infidel (Kafir). ) (Quoted from Fatawai Hindiya) 

         “If some bodsy says with a word of doubt, viz. “If the Prophet’s assertion is correct and true” then he becomes a Kafir. Similarly, if he claims that he is Allah’s Prophet, then he becomes a Kafir and the man who asks that claimate to produce a miracle) intends to prove the inability of the claimant”. (Bahrur Raquaiq Sharah Kanzud Daqaiq) quoted in Book Gift for the Qadianis (Yousuf Ludhianvi) 

         Some liar claimant of Pophethood appeared even during the presence of the Last Prophet Muhamed (Peace be Upon Him) but they could not face the real Prphet who ordered to behead such claimants  wherever they were found. The first Caliph Syedena finished him and his followers, though many Muslims and preservers of Quran were martyred in that battle. 

         In our time in the end of 19th century again a liar appeared in the shape of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad from Qadiain a small town in Punjab in the Indo Pak subcontinent. The life style and utterances of this man proved that he was a stooge and agent of British who ruled this subcontinent. They captured the land by intrigue and brute force and established their hegemony. Power was snatched from Muslims, who were the rulers of the subcontinent. The new ruler wanted to lure the Muslim by hook or crook. Muslims have great respect for their Prophet, they can sacrifice anything including their precious lives to save the dignity and honour of the prophet. British saw this sprit in the Muslims of the subcontinent and sentimental attachment with the word ‘Nabi’ (Prophet). They thought if a Nabi of Madina can be respected to such an extent that a Muslim can sacrifice his life for preserving the dignity and honour of the Prophet then a Nabi from their own homeland would be more respected. The word Nabi itself has got a significant place in the hearts of Muslims. Therefore, the British sought a man Mirza Ghulam Ahmad who first declared his loyalty to the new rulers and served under them as an ordinary servant. In the beginning he tried to incline the Muslims towards himself as a preacher of Islam. He confronted with Christians and challenged the authority of Jesus Christ. He himself declared that he was the Jesus Christ who is to come again in this world. Some Muslims were trapped and joined his mission. The British rulers provided him all facilities. He became courageous and in the beginning of 20th Century he declared himself a Prophet. The Muslim rejected him and entire Ulamas of the Sub-continent challenged his contention and declared him liar, pretender and an heretic. 

         In fact the British misconceived the spirit of Muslims. Muslims have spiritual and sentimental attachment with Mohammad the last prophet and before him with other real prophets and not with every Tom, Dick and Harry who declares himself a prophet. 

         Now I quote some of the utterances of this pretender of prophethood Mirza Ghulam Ahmad of Qadian.   

 1). The true God is that who sent a message in Quadian (Dafaul-Bala page 150 and Tazianai Ibrat Page 12). 

2).  I swear by God that he has sent me and has named me as prophet (Haqiqatul Wahi Page 67 Tazianai Ibrat). 

3).  I believe in my revelation in the same manner as I believe in Quran (Hawala Arabia Page 4 & 19).

4).  I Mirza Ghulam Ahmad am a promised Masih and Imam of the day and reformer and Prophet of  Allah and messenger like shaded and revelations of Ailah are sent upon me (Tazianai Ibrat the signed document presented in the court).

 5).  The revelation of Allah was not closed with Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him).

 6).  The prophet Muhammad had three thousand miracles and I have about two lacs (Tohfa Golrawia and Borahine Ahmadia Pages 57 & 67 respectively).

Mirza said about the verse of Quran revealed in Surah Fatah 48:29: “In this verse revelation (Muhammad as well as Rasul” The messenger of Allah.
(EK Ghalti Ka Izala Page 3 Roohani Khazain Vol 18 Page 207)

There are numerous vile utterances of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad in which he has rebuked all prophets, ridiculed Prophet Christ. In this particular article the details cannot be given.

Besides all these things he has announced rescination of Jihad to please his British masters. On page 28 of “Khaitbai Ilhamia” he announced that from today the Jihad by sword is closed.

  Mirza calls every Muslim Kafir. In a book ‘Naimul Huda’ he calls his opponent as pigs of the forest and their women are dirty vile women and prostitutes.

  At one place he says, ‘only the sons of dancing women and prostitutes do not accept my call ‘God has revealed me that one who does not obey you, and opposes you is a man of hell’. ‘It is obligatory upon us not to accept non Ahmadis as Muslims and not to offer prayers behind them or take part in their funeral prayers’.

   Mr. Zafrullah a Qadiani ex-Foreign Minister of Pakistan did not attend funeral prayers of Quaid-e-Azam Mohammad Ali Jinnah.

  Keeping in view the clear anti-Islamic utterances, the Muslims of entire universe have declared Mirza Ghulam Ahmad and his followers non-believers and clear infideis. The highest legislative authority i.e. National Assembly of Pakistan has declared by law Qadianis and Ahmadis Lahori or other non-believers and infidels. Ulemas of Pakistan particularly Ulema-I-Ahle-Sunnat under the leadership of Quide Ahle Sunnat Maulana Shah Ahmad Noorani Siddiqui gave a tough fight against Qadianis and compelled the members of the National Assembly to declare Qadianis as non-Muslims. And such a clause was inserted in the 1973 constitution of Pakistan declaring that followers of Mirza Ghulam Ahmed Qadiani are non-Muslims.

Trust me, You’ll get pain.

< challenged the authority of Jesus Christ. He himself declared that he was the Jesus Christ
who is to come again in this world. Some Muslims were trapped and joined his mission. The
British rulers provided him all facilities. He became courageous and in the beginning of 20th
Century he declared himself a Prophet>>

Let me add some more..

  1. Mirza Sahib said that Baba Guru Nanak was Muslims, he turned all the Sikhs against him.

  2. He claimed that he is also a second coming of Kirishana, turned hindus against him.

  3. He claim that he is a jesus, turned christian against him but British empire still supported him as Jesus.

  4. He told christian that Jesus did not die on cross but came down alive, british empire still supported him like a true jesus.

  5. He debated with christian Missionaries openly and challenged all of them, still British empire supported him.

  6. He even told Christian that Jesus grave is in Sirinagar, still British empire supported him.

  7. He told everbody that jesus never walked on the water or never cured any blind or deaf by touching them and he was nothing but a humble prophet of God, but still British Empire supported him

  8. He told christian that Jesus was not son of God, still British supported him.

If you want to know more.. I suggest reading up on these sites.. they have a wealth of information pertaining to your queries.
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/notislam/#qadiani


He is not a Pashtoon who does not give a blow in return for a pinch.

NOBODY ON EARTH WHO BELIEVES IN ONE GOD AND MOHAMMAD (P.B.U.H) AS HIS PROPPHET CAN BE CALLED A NON-MUSLIM
THE ONE WHO BELIEVES AND RECITE FIRST KALMA IS MUSLIM ..
AND ACCORDING TO MY KNOWLEDE OF QADAINIS THEY RECITE AND BELIEVES IN THE SAME KALMA AS NORMAL MUSLIMS DO....
BEYIND THIS USE URE OWN IMAGINATION...
RUST IN PEACE

Dear Lucifer
a person who doesn't believe in the message of Quran is not muslim .. Qadianis are denying the verse i referred in the above post so they r non muslims.

Some things never changes, does it? Today, one group is bashing Ahmedias; tomorrow the same group will bash Shia.

Why? Because all they have left is delusion. Nothing is going right for them. They are a pathetic lot.

All the three groups are extremists in their basic laws & interpretations. So, who gives a hoot if these people other non-muslim!

1) Can any muslims here prove, by real-life examples, that Islam really stands for Peace?

2) Also, prove thru real life examples that Allah of Islam is Rehman & Rahim (compassionate & merciful)?

I guarantee you cannot prove either #1 or #2; not even your ayatollahs & ulemas! Shows the extent of corruption, deviation and damnation in Fundamentalist Islam.

Dear faceup!
Why are u stressing on real life?
IF islam is not being practiced in real life, how can u find an example?
Read Quran and you will find that Rahman and Rahim is only Allah.

"AR-Rahaman. Allamal Quran." (Surah Rahman:55 Ayaat: 1-2 Part: 27)

Trans:
"He is Rahman (who) taught (us) to read Quran."

This is His merciness that Quran is among us. But, we have to read, understand and follow it.
There are so many places in Our Book, where Allah has mentioned his merciness, BUT (and it is a big BUT) He has always demanded us His Obedience along with it. The condition is to follow His guidance. And that's very logical. It's a two way traffic. You can not forget him and hope him to have mercy on u.

Allah is Rahim, that is why all other non-beleivers are living in this world peacefully. They have food, shelter, and all other necessities. This is a BIG evidence of his "Rahimiat".
Brother!
Read Iqbal's "shikwaah" and Jawaab-e-shikwaah". your all questions will be answered. IQBAL'S poetry is the direct translation and Tafseer of The Holy Quran.
In Jawaab--e-Shikwaah, he says:

Hum to Maael ba karam hain, koi saael hi nahin
Rah dikhlaaen kissay, Rahr we Manzil hi nahin.

I need a Qadyaani, Lahori, or Ahmedi to reply me and tell me that who was Tipo Sultan Shaheed?
Can Any one of you dare to answer it?

Shaheen wants to know why I need real-life examples of Peace, Compassion & Tolerance?

Shaheen then goes to claim that Allah's comassion is all over the Quran! If so, then we should practise those acts of compassion in real-life, don't you think?

If you are practising those in real life, then give me some examples, real-life examples; not just something that exists in print in some fancy book in arabic.

If we can't or won't then, based on what moral grounds do we go around calling others 'kafir' ?

Brother faceup!
If some one is doing wrong, s/he does not prove that the other wrong doers are right.
According to one authenticated hadith, Imaan has seven parts:
1. Imaan on Allah (that he is only one God)
2. Imaan on the Last Prophet and Apostle Hazrat Muhammad Sallal ho Alaihe WasSallam (that he is the last prophet and Apostle)
3. Imaan on all other Apostles(Rasool) and prophets (Anbiya).

[keep in mind that there is a difference in Nabi and Rasool. Nabi are like the pious people but they get Wahi. Rasool is also a nabi but he comes to make "hujjat" on the nation, and if nation denies him, Allah's Azzab comes on it. It is Allah's sunnah that Rasool can never be killed. Anbiyas, however, can get killed. Jesus (Isa PBUH) was a Rasool. He was not killed. Yahya was a nabi. He was martyred.]

  1. Imaan on all the books revealed by Allah.
  2. Imaan on Angels (Malaaika).
  3. Imaan on destiny that whatever good or bad happenes, it is from Allah.
  4. Imaan on the day of judgement (Qiyyamah).

If some one does not believe in any one of it, I will never hesitate to say that s/he is Kafir.
Now, whosoever says with his/her tongue that s/he believes on it (Iqrarum Billissan) but does not believe by heart (la tasdeequm bil Qalb), s/he is a Munafiq. By law, s/he is muslim, as s/he never said it with tongue, so no one knows. Therefore, s/he is treated as a Muslim in this world, even his/her "salatul Janazah" will also be offered. In Allah's eyes s/he is not a Muslim though.
However, those who deny any of the part of Imaan, by their tongue, are no doubt Non-believers, thus non-muslims and therefore, KAfirs.
I think I made myself Clear. Didn't I??

[This message has been edited by Shaheen (edited July 09, 2000).]

Shaheen,

And, you have been doing that very well!

But you're missing the point; so, I'll try again.Pls bear with me and read the whole thing.

Being unable to list real-life examples of compassion & tolerance that you claim does exist in print in the Quran.
Quran does teach us to be kind, tolerant & compassionate, at least in print, does it not?

If what you practise is devoid of compassion & tolerance then that creed cannot be worshipping Allah; maybe you are worshipping Iblis, remember Iblis?

If you're followers of Iblis and I truly believe that most of muslims are followers of Iblis, then does it matter if you go around calling others 'kafirs'.

[This message has been edited by Admin (edited July 16, 2000).]

faceup!
The way you are talking is really shamless.
Alhamdo lillah Iblis did not overtook me as i did not get angry on you as you did on me though. I feel sympathy for you.
First of all, If I give u examples from my life, that will not be adequate for u, and u will also have arguments, since u don't know me and my life. ANd that's is what I can do for u anyway.
I believe, "wallaho Khiarul Makerien" i.e., Allah is the best planner.
And therefore, I was trying to tell you the right path, and was ignoring your ignorant responses, replies, and comments. Alhamdo lillah, I have no doubt that in whole of my life that Allah did whatever is good for me.
By the grace of Allah, I was a good student in PK, got A1 grade in matric.. But did not do well in intermediate, however, I passed it with B grade. But it was Allah's planning and mercy that he opened a way in the mean time for me and I got USA green card, and now I am doing my BS in Computer Science, The thing that I could have never done in PK, my dream was fallen apart.

Wam Alaina Illal balagh!

**Khatamallaho Alla Quloobehim wa ala samai him wa ala absarehim ghishawah. Wal hum azzaabun azeem.

La;natullahe Allal kazebeen**

For your kind info., I were and am a member of Tehreek-e-Khatam-eNubuwat.

Shaheen,

Those examples of good lucks in your life are bounty, blessings of Allah who is Rehman & Rahim. Those are examples of your personal life. Here we are talking about Islam and whether we are worshippers of Allah or Worshippers of Iblees. What are we?

You mention about explaining true Islam to me. My good man - true Islam is full of compassion, kindness & tolerance; its bounty should be visible in our daily lives
in how we treat each others.

Allah keeps showering us with his bounty, like he did for you and you mentioned those very warmly; but then you turn around and degrade & condemn fellow beings. You assume this is the correct way to please Allah, is it?

In fact you're accepting Allah's mercy & bounty and pleasing Iblees with your words & deeds. Think about it!

Khatam-e-Nabuat is know to be anti-ahmedia, anti shia, etc; promoter of hate & violence against innocents in name of Allah! This organization: Khatm Nabuat is a true partner of Iblees!

Aslamalekum.

One question! who is the judge of wether someone is muslim or not ? People as a general or Allah himself.

if your answer is Allah then ... why judge other sects of islam to be qafirs?

if your answer is no 2 then suni would be qafirs by Shia's point of view and shia would be qafirs from sunnis and all sects would qafirs by ismalies and so on ?

I myself am a muslim, and dont think that anyone who says he is muslim should be called qafir. If one says that since Qadainis are wrong in there theology and they are therefore qafirs then by the same logic all thiefs should be declared Qafirs too.?

One more thing... when you present an argument you should always refer quotes from both parties. the aritcle by pukadesi was very convincing about the "falsehood" of Mirza Ghulam Ahmed but he did not provide references and the one he did was from the Jamat ul Islami or somehting which would obviously be baised ...

Love to hear from anyone about the issues I rasied here

KH


Give mushraf a chance!

Calling people Kaffir is also judging them based on the religion they follow. In fact it is way to dehumanizing them so that muslims can treat them cruelly without feeling any guilt. It is often done in war to kill an enemy.

Not all. some are kafirs. some arent. that happens with sunnis also.

Marzay , Mirza, Lahorism, Qidanism, all of this are KAFIR.

1)They have changed the KALMA

2)They dont belive that Prophet Jesus will come down or was ever takin up to the heavens.

3)They dont belive in Prophet Mohammad p.b.u.h

  1. They believe in Mirza Ghulam Ahmad who claims to be a prophet.

5)for more info about this go to http://www.irshad.org/idara/

This is the Best Site for this info it will answer all of your questions


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