Killing someone in the name of religion is wrong And no religious belief can justify it. Suicide bombers & Islamic militants do what they do in the name of religion. I think you are confusing patriotism with fanaticism.
Oxford dictionary defines a fanatic as a person filled with excessive zeal, especially for an extreme political or religious cause or a person with an obsessive enthusiasm for a pastime or hobby. Note the negative connotation here.
Defending you country from an aggressor cannot be compared with religious fanaticism.
I agree with you on this no doubt, I am with you let it be a Muslim, Hindu, Christian or any faction in this world, I completely abhor because no religion teaches this.
Now look at your own analysis of contradictions, first you say a big NO to suicide bombers and you reject. The one in red you have contradicted with the above. Now please do guess why are there suicide bombers in Iraq does that answer your very question.
Now remember before you answer Americans have fight against Muslims and Islam in totality. This is evident from the speech of President Nixon.
Above all, suicide bombers no guess who started this, well since you do a whole lot of research then please log onto BBC and you will find your answer.
The thread is why muslims are passionate, you are arguing on some topics which are debatable and hence lack proof.
Well, I would want you to argue on La Ilaaha il Allaah, there is no diety to be worshiped other than Allaah.
Thats what is passion, connected to one Unseen God, Creator and Sustainer.
Islam is an ideology with its own political, economic and judicial system.
I don't know if any other religion is like this, but that's why with respect to Islam it is not appropriate to separate state and religion.
You feel this because your in a shell of inferiority, and we never named you that. When we tell you kafirs you should feel proud infact that you dont believe in Islam but rather you feel inferior, I am confused.
In India, my friends in very city in Bangalore call me Turka(Turkey - Otthoman empire) because I am a Muslim, unlike you I am not offended.
Please provide me with one unequivocal statement, that we have asserted Our religion is superior to yours. Not your own analysis
Let us get onto to the topic, Why Muslims are Passionate?
Now look at your own analysis of contradictions, first you say a big NO to suicide bombers and you reject. The one in red you have contradicted with the above. Now please do guess why are there suicide bombers in Iraq does that answer your very question.
What about the 9/11 bombers ? Which country were they defending ? Wasnt that killing in the name of Islam ?
Now remember before you answer Americans have fight against Muslims and Islam in totality. This is evident from the speech of President Nixon.
Which speech ? Pls provide backup to support your arguement - not your own opinion :D
The thread is why muslims are passionate, you are arguing on some topics which are debatable and hence lack proof.
Its quite obvious that you do not understand the English language too well, so I will not hold that against you. My point is that passion & fanaticism are two sides of the same coin. What you call passion, the rest of the world calls fanaticism. That is why its always Islam vs. the rest of the world.
I did not make any such claim. The claim is yours Sir. You said muslims think they are superior to non-muslims. Well superior in what way is left for you to elaborate. If you had said we think you are misguided that I could have agreed with but superiority is circumstantial and must be specified in what sense.
If I say you are on falsehood what I mean is that the notion of God that you are upon is false and is not correct. Muslims believe that their belief about God is correct and all other prevailing beliefs about God which claim to be the truth are in fact false.
^ So if saying that your religion/God is true & everyone else's is false is not superiority complex, then what is it ?
We can play around with words all day, but when you say "Muslims believe that their belief about God is correct and all other prevailing beliefs about God which claim to be the truth are in fact false", it means that Muslims think their religion is superior to every other religion.
Its not about my getting offended if you think I am kafir. Its about what you think about yourself, your religion and other religions. Check out the posts on GS, and you will realize how your fellow Muslims think their religion is superior to others.
Pls understand the post, before you type your response.
I think muslims are passionate because they really believe in what they believe. However this passion is not muslim proprietary others have it as well for whatever it may be.
This passion can be the ultimate test however when it is put to trial. When you are put near to death for believing in something the truth of your conviction comes out. So in other words this passion has more to do with how much conviction you have for your beliefs not just belief. And of course conviction for something comes when it makes sense to you.
We can play around with words all day, but when you say "Muslims believe that their belief about God is correct and all other prevailing beliefs about God which claim to be the truth are in fact false", it means that Muslims think their religion is superior to every other religion.
Is that not correct ?
No Sir, superiority complex is what Brahmans have against Shudres. Saying that our belief about God is correct means right or wrong. If it had anything about superiority then we would not even want you to come to the path of Allah or become muslim in belief.
The fact that muslims think we are on the correct path means we think you are on the wrong path, not that we are superior. Superiority leads to arrogance, which is a sin in Islam. Being on the truth brings humbleness in you, I will never shun you but yes I will shun your actions. If I were to think I am superior to you then that would also mean that I think you do not deserve a chance to be in my shoes or be a muslim. However it is opposite to that. I would love for you to be a muslim. Your being a muslim does not bring any benefit to me. The number of believers does not benefit Allah in any way. We cannot benefit Allah but only benefit from him. If you believe in the right thing it will only benefit you not me. I believe for my benefit not yours., I will do good deeds because that is what Allah wants me to do and obeying Allah benefits me, yes sometimes you can force something good for the other when they perceive it not. This is the kind of sharing where I will not decrease my share, if I share with you in my belief in Allah it will in no way decrease my share of benefit inspite the fact that now you are also benefiting from your belief. This shows the endless bounty from Allah.
I thought extremism and fanaticism is where one takes something to the extreme. For instance praying 24/7 and fasting without missing a day for the entire year. Both prayer and fasting are obligatory, but there are times specified for them. If one takes it out of proportion and does it 24/7, I would think it would fall under the category of extremism.
On the contrary, I feel whatever it is that some Muslims have been up to, which clearly doesn't confirm with the Islamic teachings should be labeled as deviance and those following it as deviants.
It's amazing how quick some are to paint Islam and Muslims at large with the same brush. It only goes to show how ignorant these individuals are and how little they know about Islam and Muslims.
Just see withing a matter of few minutes how fanatic you get dear Babuji. Now, you stooped to such a level that you personally spewing venom on me.
Fanatism = Excessive intolerance of opposing views. Now thats what you have done buddy. I opposed your view, and your behaving like one.
It's amazing how quick some are to paint Islam and Muslims at large with the same brush. It only goes to show how ignorant these individuals are and how little they know about Islam and Muslims.
Before you start out on your self pity trip, pls note that its not just some people but most of the civillized world that thinks the same way.
And it may or may not be correct, but thats the perception out there. As they say, there is no smoke without fire !!
It's amazing how quick some are to paint Islam and Muslims at large with the same brush.
Self pity - your view that the whole world misunderstands Islam OR that everyone thinks Muslims are fanatics/extremists. Thats what I am talking about.
Exactly with reference to you Sir, and how can I go against your own, sweet words:)
Btw, its good to have such fanatics like you, Duh its Passion(thats Muslims are terrorists) for you not fanaticism right.
Btw Non - Muslims can never understand how Passion(Fanaticism - for your reference) and Islam are connected. Well you should listen to stories of converts of Non - Muslim to Islam, well thats Passion(Fanaticism).
No, there's no self-pity, at least not the way I view it. I only view it as others being ignorant and attributing things to Islam that aren't part of it.
And no religious belief can justify it. Suicide bombers & Islamic militants do what they do in the name of religion. I think you are confusing patriotism with fanaticism.
I am confused. Are you saying that Islam is not superior to other religions or are you saying that it is ??