i have heard the pharse, ‘‘who ever prays 5 times a day gets everything in life’’, alot of times.
so why is it that muslims are failing in everything, while christans are succeding in everything, why are we lagging behind so much.
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is that phrase a hadith or an innovation?
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follow an example of a successful good muslim and you will find the answer to become a successful muslim yourself.
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its something that i have experienced over the past some yrs. its just so true i mean there was a time when i hardly prayed or hardly went to the mosque that too only on fridays other than that i was never really interested in doing so.
my parents used to push me to pray but then it got so bad they stopped telling me to pray. they probably thought i would understaand its importance and i will start praying myself and i think partly this was the reason but alongside, i think it was couple of my white/black friends who converted right infront of my eyes and hmm it was them which really made me start following islam in true means.
so ya i know for a fact that right now or when i started praying with clear intentions my life just simply got so much easier. things used to get done so easily. i did make my effort but i succeeded on most occasion of wotever i wanted to achieve.
i just felt exceptional inner pleasure which really i cant explain in words and key to success or gaining that pleasure is being true to urself and follow wotever u have been told in factual means.
so ya it is true that u just become so much accomplished and u feel u r @ top of world. be it studies, work, or just normal life ....... i mean life has just taken a U turn lol b4 i was just no one i didnt know wot i was upto, but ya ever since i started praying things have gone right for me .... its just amazing feeling :)
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In general, bad things can happen to good people. Prayer is not a guarantee for anything in this life. It is mostly for the afterlife. Nor is it to fulfull wishes like a Jinni’s lamp…it is an obligation and a duty.
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on a broader scale..
Allah promises His victory (in this life) to those who are His true followers.. u might as well ask.. where's the victory for those who call themself Muslims and proclaim exclusive proprietary rights over the religion called Islam?
Is it cuz Allah hasn't fulfilled his promise? or is it cuz these people are NOT on the right path to Allah
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The 5 times prayer is not a magic potion. At best it can instill in us virtues of discipline, patience and humbleness which ideally should help us become better individuals, ultimately making up a generally good society with successful people ... and so on and so forth. Easier said than done! Right?
We are failing because we missed the bus of technical innovation and advancement; and instead got on the bus of being terminally-out-of-touch with reality. Our over-obsession with the literalistic aspects of our religion has also played a very disruptive role in our development.
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Scratch Well said ....
BUT I will add that during the 9th and 10th century MUSLIMS were at the peak. In the field of Science; the invention of lense by Ibne Hathim, Abu ali Sina or avesina (known as the second aristotle), Muslims in the field of math, the invention of Algebra and there are many many inventions including surgery etc...
All these things were lost after the 10th century. I think after that Muslims did not focus on education and they lacked UNITY.
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Some people pray and get rewards from Allah for their namaz.
Others pray and just passed time. It's the way you pray that counts too.
I once read or maybe heard, can't remember exactly, there were 5 levels of your prayers. Often while praying all kinds of thoughts come into our minds. I keep repeating the translation of what I'm praying to help me focus and I pray aloud when I'm alone so I hear my voice so my thoughts won't go wondering off to things I'm supposed to do. And still I often find my thoughts have wondered off somewhere else! The highest level of doing your namaz is when your thoughts won't wonder off anymore. When you really truly feel each word you say in your heart. When you forget everything else around you.
If you read the many ahadith about namaz, and read the stories of pious people, the way they prayed, you will notice how they comletely got 'into' their prayers, forgetting everything around them.
I'm not sure who it was, but someone had to be operated on his leg or something, maybe it was something else, anyway, it was very painful, and he started to pray and while he was in sajda, they performed the operation or whatever on him. He didn't feel any pain at all!
Compare that to our prayers and see the difference. There are many more stories and ahadith about this topic. We just don't pray good enough. And what someone else already pointed out, prayers aren't just meant to fullfill your wishlist.
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^ that sucks to have peaked out 1300 yrs ago. Oh well... siht happens.
The funny thing is that the israelis are going around developing patents like there is no tomorrow without a singular reference to a past glory of Kind David. Imagine the chinese, talking about the ming dynasty as a model for their surge in biotech. Or the Indians harking back to the maurya or CHola dynasties to deteremine whether they have the largest number of FDA approved labs in the world outside of the US for pharma studies and product development.
I have a theory..wanna hear?
Here goes...the muslim world looks at the past as the model for its future, the past was a relative success vis-a-vis the dark of europe but not on a global basis. The sooner the muslim world figures out that humanity comprises of not religious blocs but people who are forward thinking and those stuck in the past, the better the lives and conditions would get.
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You are right Pinstripe except for the fact that you were a bit a harsh with your words :) but the gist is very true to what you reflected. Actions talk, we have to come OUT from the DOGMATIC domain of our thoughts and move on and walk hand in hand with the world.
What we do is we only wait on miracles to happen but ONE has to attempt and work hard. Even in the past Muslims were successful because they worked HARD. PRAYING ONLY did not get them there :) People are sleeping if they think if they think otherwise ...
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The path, you already know, is in following Islam completely, not like me or other Muslims “selectively” following Islam, then Allah swt may give us “selective” success too 
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Because life is good in the back seat!!!
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I do not agree with you many times but you are right on the money this time. Ige 100%. Very true.
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agree 100%
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i think it must be about spritual gains and not about materialistic gains …
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Bad things do happen to muslims....but to test them if they can be patient enough to bear whatever is coming their way and they still dont loose hope in Allah.....Aazmaish
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It is the red, white and blue road that leads to the promised land…
He is logically judging that the blessing of Allah :swt: and success with Him comes through displays of material gains and prosperity…
If that was the case, then our own Prophet :saw: would be a life wasted 
'coz he always lived in such abject poverty…
Same would go for other Prophets (PBUT) too…Except for Zulqarnain :as: I hardly know a Prophet who was a king or a rich guy…
Even the Jews, slaves to pagans, remained Allah :swt:'s favoured people…
But this is all spiritual mumbo jumbo…
Let’s talk about things we can actually see and touch…
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[quote="Pinstripe Danda^ that sucks to have peaked out 1300 yrs ago. Oh well… siht happens.
The funny thing is that the israelis are going around developing patents like there is no tomorrow without a singular reference to a past glory of Kind David. Imagine the chinese, talking about the ming dynasty as a model for their surge in biotech. Or the Indians harking back to the maurya or CHola dynasties to deteremine whether they have the largest number of FDA approved labs in the world outside of the US for pharma studies and product development.
I have a theory..wanna hear?
Here goes…the muslim world looks at the past as the model for its future, the past was a relative success vis-a-vis the dark of europe but not on a global basis. The sooner the muslim world figures out that humanity comprises of not religious blocs but people who are forward thinking and those stuck in the past, the better the lives and conditions would get.[/QUOTE
**Mr. Painstrip Danda ** – I have studiously avoided responded to your posts. You may have the wit but it seems that your only reason to hang around on GS is to spew your inherent hatred for Islam. Understandably it may have to do with nearly thousand years Muslim rule of ‘homeland of your origins.
Your theory is damn wrong. It is nicely wrapped in jargon to sound intellectual making some lap it up.
It is really sad that you having ‘resided’ here under various nicks and have argued with Muslims and yet know nothing about Islam and its history.
I am sorry to say this but it is true that even if an Ass hangs around with stallions for as long it takes he will still be an Ass.
You should know that Islam is the most progressive religion.
Quran is full of ayahs challenging Mankind to use their brains to understand and reflect upon the world around it and universe at large.
Check out following:
“The Qur’an calls upon Muslims to observe around them and study the physical world, so that they might appreciate the majesty of Allah’s creation. “Behold! In the creation of the heavens and the earth; in the alternation of the night and the day; in the sailing of the ships through the ocean for the benefit of mankind; in the rain which Allah Sends down from the skies, and the life which He gives therewith to an earth that is dead; in the beasts of all kinds that He scatters through the earth; in the change of the winds, and the clouds which they trail like their slaves between the sky and the earth – (Here) indeed are Signs for a people that are wise.” (Surah Al-Baqarah, 2:164)”
Will they not then consider the camels, how they are created?
And the heaven, how it is reared aloft,
And the mountains, how they are firmly fixed,
And the earth, how it is made a vast expanse?
Therefore do remind, for you are only a reminder.
You are not a watcher over them;
But whoever turns back and disbelieves,
Allah will chastise him with the greatest chastisement.
Surely to Us is their turning back, 88:17 — 88:25
You can read much more:—
http://www.irfi.org/articles/articles_101_150/quran_inspires_modern_science.htm
There is a natural law where every nation which becomes dynamic carries the torch of worldly knowledge and improves upon it. When the Muslims abandoned the zeal to gain knowledge and became ‘lazy’ and settled for comfortable life, they lost their dynamism.
It is true that Muslims are in a sorry state for around 3 Centuries. The decline was directly related to them abandoning the ideals of Islam.
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…the muslim world looks at the past as the model for its future
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It is true “the Muslim World looks at the past as the model for its future”, but it is not to have camel rides and live in the tents or mud houses.
Nay, we look back for the purity of the Belief and sincerity of the faith of people of those times. The essence of faith of that time is of utmost import to us.
Armed with these two qualities they destroyed the two ‘super powers’ of the time. Every nation they conquered was bestowed with far superior knowledge they ever had. The Renaissance in Europe is directly linked to its exposure to the Muslims over the years in Andalusia and Ottoman Eastern Europe.
There is acute awareness among the Muslims of their backwardness and of having no say in the affairs of the World, there is definite change in their outlook. There is a lot of internal turmoil and apparent chaos.
The wind of change is blowing across the Muslim world; there are still many hurdles to overcome, like the corrupt to the core leaders and remove general ignorance.
Be warned, the Muslims are coming whether you like it or not. If not you, then for sure your son will see the Muslim world dominant in the World.
You don’t believe it? Keep watching China. Just see what it looked like forty years ago.
QUOTE=Pinstripe Danda^ that sucks to have peaked out 1300 yrs ago. Oh well… siht happens.
The funny thing is that the israelis are going around developing patents like there is no tomorrow without a singular reference to a past glory of Kind David. Imagine the chinese, talking about the ming dynasty as a model for their surge in biotech. Or the Indians harking back to the maurya or CHola dynasties to deteremine whether they have the largest number of FDA approved labs in the world outside of the US for pharma studies and product development.
I have a theory..wanna hear?
Here goes…the muslim world looks at the past as the model for its future, the past was a relative success vis-a-vis the dark of europe but not on a global basis. The sooner the muslim world figures out that humanity comprises of not religious blocs but people who are forward thinking and those stuck in the past, the better the lives and conditions would get./QUOTE
http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Siege-of-Vienna
Mr. Painstrip Danda – Over the years I have studiously avoided responded to your posts. You may have the wit but it seems that your only reason to hang around on GS is to spew your inherent hatred for Islam. Understandably it may have to do with nearly thousand years Muslim rule of ‘homeland of your origins.
Your theory is damn wrong. It is nicely wrapped in jargon to sound intellectual making some lap it up.
It is really sad that you having ‘resided’ here under various nicks and have argued with Muslims and yet know nothing about Islam and its history.
I am sorry to say this but it is true that even if an Ass hangs around with stallions for as long it takes he will still be an Ass.
You should know that Islam is the most progressive religion.
Quran is full of ayahs challenging Mankind to use their brains to understand and reflect upon the world around it and universe at large.
Check out following:
“The Qur’an calls upon Muslims to observe around them and study the physical world, so that they might appreciate the majesty of Allah’s creation. “Behold! In the creation of the heavens and the earth; in the alternation of the night and the day; in the sailing of the ships through the ocean for the benefit of mankind; in the rain which Allah Sends down from the skies, and the life which He gives therewith to an earth that is dead; in the beasts of all kinds that He scatters through the earth; in the change of the winds, and the clouds which they trail like their slaves between the sky and the earth – (Here) indeed are Signs for a people that are wise.” (Surah Al-Baqarah, 2:164)”
Will they not then consider the camels, how they are created?
And the heaven, how it is reared aloft,
And the mountains, how they are firmly fixed,
And the earth, how it is made a vast expanse?
Therefore do remind, for you are only a reminder.
You are not a watcher over them;
But whoever turns back and disbelieves,
Allah will chastise him with the greatest chastisement.
Surely to Us is their turning back, 88:17 — 88:25
You can read much more:—
http://www.irfi.org/articles/articles_101_150/quran_inspires_modern_science.htm
There is a natural law where every nation which becomes dynamic carries the torch of worldly knowledge and improves upon it. When the Muslims abandoned the zeal to gain knowledge and became ‘lazy’ and settled for comfortable life, they lost their dynamism.
It is true that Muslims are in a sorry state for around 3 Centuries. The decline was directly related to them abandoning the ideals of Islam.
…the muslim world looks at the past as the model for its future
It is true “the Muslim World looks at the past as the model for its future”, but it is not to have camel rides and live in the tents or mud house.
Nay, we look back for the purity of the Belief and sincerity of the faith of people of those times.
Armed with these two qualities they destroyed the two ‘super powers’ of the time. Every nation they conquered was bestowed with far superior knowledge they ever had. The Renaissance in Europe is directly linked to its exposure to the Muslims over the years in Andalusia and Ottoman Eastern Europe.
There is acute awareness among the Muslims of their backwardness and no say in the affairs of the World, there is definite change in their outlook. There is a lot of internal turmoil and apparent chaos.
The wind of change is blowing across the Muslim world; there are still many hurdles to overcome, like the corrupt to the core leaders and general ignorance within the Muslims.
Be warned, the Muslims are coming whether you like it or not. If not you, then for sure your son will see the Muslim world dominant in the World.
You don’t believe it? Keep watching China. Just see what it looked like forty years ago.