Why are Muslims against Evolution?!?

[yazdi]

Re: Why are Muslims against Evolution?!?

@psyah

Peace yazdi

Opinions versus opinions … I’m not even arguing against evolution … you are trying to impress it on me … I’m merely saying until there is proof I shall not accept it … In return you tell me there is proof and then fail to show me where it is … The experiment I need to see and there is no variation acceptable …

Take a single gene pool and split it up … place one of the groups in to cryostasis and let the other group reproduce to the nth degree under altered conditions until it would be considered speciation and let part of the cryo group thaw out and allow the two to interbreed … if there are no successful mates then you have it … so long as both groups can still reproduce amongst themselves … if however the cryo group and nth degree group can still interbreed then take the second group again to the nth degree of generations and take out some more of the specimens from cryo … and continue this process … It is a simple experiment … but all this tampering and hybridization and looking for the reproductive gene etc is just adding layers of complexity in order to baffle the laymen …

The posts above … I’m not interested in reading that much … you want to discuss the topic then be fair and meet my conditions as I have answered your questions. However you think that I am being biased and scientifically unsound … but to me these are baseless accusations.

@psyah bhai..

First of all I want to cool down your anger and show you what has been really happening in this thread:

1. Your first claim was that speciation can not occur under any circumstances whatsoever… I showed you speciation from hybridization. You did not accept it as speciation initially because you argued that the resultant hybrids were not viably fertile. Your specific words were that if they were viably fertile you would consider it to be evolution.. I showed you the possibility of viably fertile hybrids. Here you back tracked and started demanding examples from single gene pool.. The case was not single gene pool or not.. the case was to disapprove the notion that speciation can never occur.. under any conditions whatsoever..

2. I think you don’t understand the concept of evolution. You are trying to give impression to the readers that evolution claims that monkeys gave birth to humans and speciation occurred, and thus your demand of speciation evidence from a single gene pool population.. What exactly you are doing is wrongly presenting evolution and then criticizing that 99.8% of scientist with credible credentials are dishonest idiots who for political reasons with the agenda of spreading atheism are promoting the idea. Nothing can be more mis-leading..

I requested you to understand the Mendel’s law of individual assortment.. I requested you to understand the concept of common ancestry under the light of Mendel’s law before demanding speciation from single gene pool.. I think you refused to do some complicated mental exercise yourself.. Let me over simplify things for you again and try to explain you the concept of evolution what it actually means (in very simple language).. contrary to what you have been projecting in this thread..

Speciation does not occur from one generation to another in evolutionary language in a single gene pool population… the proof you so desperately demand to believe in evolution.. We share common ancestors with our cousin chimpanzees with whom we share 99.5% common DNA.. the ancestors who existed 4.6 million years ago.. Means we have been evolving independently from chimpanzees for 4.6 million years. Speciation did not occur between our ancestors from one generation to another.. speciation occurred between us and our cousins/chimpanzees some where in the geological history of the evolution of our later independent ancestors who shared common ancestry in distant geological history… because of natural selection which was being independently perused by both our lineages..

Now let me throw a bombshell of observed evidence on you.. you talk about fossil records.. all the fossil records from humans backward to common ancestors with chimpanzees are in the right direction of evolution.. From.. Homo habilis, Homo rudolfensis, Homo ergaster, Homo georgicus, Homo antecessor, Homo cepranensis, Homo erectus, Homo heidelbergensis, Homo rhodesiensis, Homo neanderthalensis, Homo sapiens idaltu, Archaic Homo sapiens, Homo floresiensis… not a single fossil record shows the wrong direction or opposite direction of evolution… i.e. the former are less variant compared to the later from the common ancestors.. and thus less variant from their cousin chimpanzees..

If you want to continue this discussion, I am afraid with your present mentality of back tracking we will not have any useful learning discussion.. Brother you have to open your mind to explore the possibilities rather than this undeniable proof mantra..

After all both of us take evolution as a possibility with different degrees of probability.. I am just trying to show you that it’s level of certainty is much higher than you believe based on observed evidence..

3. I am disappointed at your attitude/answer about my pointing out your prejudices against ideas/persons differing from your religious understandings.. and labeling them as dishonest because of this reason only.. Your 4 letter explanation “I have no comments”… is simply not acceptable.. and then accusing me that these accusations are baseless.. These are very valid bases for me to believe your biases against evolution.. as for you being scientifically unsound.. I don’t think so.. I know you are a man of high IQ with sound science credentials.. (I have admitted your reasoning capabilities in my previous post).. I am just accusing you of being biased because of obvious reasons..