Re: Why are Muslims against Evolution?!?
Peace bro yazdi
Thanks for prompting another aspect to this discussion. First of all I will like to point at the words above I quoted you in red and in blue … I’m not rejecting evolution outright that is for sure and furthermore you are beginning to formulate a logically fallacious argument … I’ve highlighted the word “other” in blue … if they are other proven scientific facts then how does rejecting evolution bear anything on those other things? Perhaps what you intended to say was that there are scientific facts that are the building blocks of evolution … these facts are utilised by evolution theory and yet not used by creationist versions …
This angle I would like to explore with you more inshaAllah …
- You basically alluded to the fossil record which shows that various life forms have lived and died off in the history of life on Earth … however you have said “they are constantly changing” … I need clarification on this … are the species changing or the are the records changing? If it is the records that are changing does it translate to the creatures changing without another explanation?
For the record the Qur’an acknowledges life on Earth before humans arrived … when you look to the conversation Allah (SWT) has with the angels and they are intrigued about humans being made worthy of their sujood, and to be representatives on Earth they mentioned that creatures like us caused bloodshed and fitnah …
- As for more intelligent species coming later and less intelligent coming before … or developed in evolution … then I need to introduce to you the newest discoveries of new species … none of which are are anywhere near as intelligent as a dog let alone a human …
Please read this link of various “new” life forms discovered … now it may indicate that they were always there but just not discovered but it could also mean before they did not exist and now they do … going by a logical argument it would be unsound to assume the something less evolved or intelligent will be discovered now compared to the intelligence of say a dinosaur … now compare these creatures that have been found with an extinct creature a dinosaur called a velociraptor …
**Velociraptor: A fast running, bipedal dinosaur, Velociraptor, whose name means “Speedy Thief”, was about 5 to 6 ft long, 3 ft tall and may have weighed about 15 to 33 pounds. It lived in Cretaceous period, about 85 - 80 mya.
A Velociraptor’s stiff tail could only move up and down close to the body, where it can bend nearly 90 degrees straight up and was useful for balance.
Perhaps the most unique feature among all raptors (DROMAEOSAURIDS) is the sharp, sickle shaped claw (a second toe), that is hyper-extendable and which was used to grasp and to rip the flesh of its prey.
Velociraptor’s intelligence (as measured by its relative brain to body weight) was the highest among the dinosaurs. However, this does not mean that a Velociraptor would be capable of opening a door! It’s EQ (encephalization quotient, which is brain weight) was less than 0.20 which means its intelligence is equivalent to a modern day ostrich. Certainly, it was not as smart as a chimpanzee, nor could it do the amazing things shown to us in the movie, nevertheless it was probably the smartest dinosaur. (That certainly makes a person wonder what level of intelligence a a Brachiosaurus had)!
It is believed that Velociraptors did, in fact, hunt in packs, as portrayed in the Jurassic Park movies.
**So I would say here are examples of less intelligent beings coming in to existence now and more advanced that had died off many years ago.
The reason for using 5000 years of human hisotry was because pre-5000 years ago is considered pre-historic which means we can’t rely on writings to tell us what happened.
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You say that human intelligence has grown … I say that it has not … we can’t see signs of it that you admit, but then you expect me to believe you that the shift in intelligence is so small we can’t detect it … This is not a scientific statement … it is a belief that you are presenting to me … scientifically there is no measure to prove it is happening at all. To illustrate my point let’s take the early man say of 40,000 years ago we have a good idea of what he wore and what he must have done to live … how can we measure the intelligence of those people? If brain size is anything to go by … there is absolutely NO change to brain size … in fact after seeing that large amounts of time (geological time) that is there are no changes some scientists have also proposed or concluded that evolution does not occur gradually but it happens in jumps … to me there is no change that is the observation … explaining why that is a matter of opinion.
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The blasé use of the term “goldilocks conditions” shows that there is little appreciation at the miracle of life on Earth … anyway … the further assumption made here is that given enough time development will occur so much that there will come life forms which are godlike …
I acknowledge that life existed on Earth for many years … but I cannot believe in evolution unless there is proof.