Why are Muslims against Evolution?!?

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Re: Why are Muslims against Evolution?!?

@psyah

When I spoke about entropy - you took it to be a thermodynamics rooted concept. As if! Entropy is a tool used by thermodynamics. It has a holistic meaning which is very real as well. When you were talking about open and closed systems - using a template answer for a different question - you failed to see what it was I was stating about entropy. (BTW my first degree is in Chem Eng)…

The use of the Second Law of Thermodynamics/Entropy was an approach applied by Christian ID proponents. We as Muslims need to distance ourselves from approaches where we use their texts as references for our discussions. That does nothing but make us look like we’re grasping at straws. They are hollow arguments. I used the same answer for both your questions because that is the only logical answer. The order and disorder argument and entropy is actually a dud argument.

@psyah

I was never asking why entropy increased to give the order in the universe … this was never my question. I asked why in the same place - i.e. Earth which happens to be a dynamic open system that allows things to decrease in entropy … that for the same things we have never seen inorganic material become organic and never seen organic material become living … to site the consumption of organic material is fallacious to this question. The question is about life not about living entities consuming food. Why and how is it that diwana understood my point? I mean it could not have been a lack of clarity in my words … Clearly we see matter disintegrates - the natural order of things is to seek disorder not order. Yet evolution does not seek that end … Why? This is holistic use of entropy so please stop using the thermo argument it is not invited here.

To use the order and disorder argument while at the same time removing entropy from the equation does not make sense. Why would you choose to apply one statement and reject another statement that is a conclusion of that law? Order to Disorder and Lower Entropy to Higher Entropy. You either take both or you reject both arguments.

So taking the above on board we observe order from disorder in nature too. I’m using very cliched examples here but things like lighting and sand dunes? They are orderly things created when disorderly elements/compounds arrange themselves in a particular form or interact in a particular form. Voila! Order from disorder in nature. The simple fact is we are not a closed system and hence this whole order and disorder argument is void because it occurs aplenty all around us. So why can’t it occur with living organisms (Humans included)?

Evolution is an explanation of observable phenomena. I have mentioned in my previous posts it is a combination of different variables.Again it will not do any good to regurgitate the definitions of evolution/natural selection. Again I have explained how order comes from disorder in nature. So really, there is no violation of any laws here too (Even though some wish to introduce this argument consistently).

@psyah

It is a shame that evolution has become such an emotional topic for evolutionists and hence they are blinded from compelling reason, which is that evolution is only a theory. It is neither proven and on closer examination it is even implausible to my view. If anything delving deeper in evolution is convincing more and more that Allah (SWT) truly has all wisdom and power to Create and do so as - Kun fa ya kun … Be and it is. Immediately in full form.

I’m surprised you do not know the meaning of the term theory in scientific terms. To become a scientific theory, an idea must be thoroughly tested, and must be an accurate and predictive description of the natural world. Evolution is therefore a scientific theory. Sure enough theories can be adapted over time but as long as the evidence is stacked in their favour they are true and they do not waver.

I’m sure you what explains the phenomenon of objects falling down. The gravitational theory. Its an ubiquitous phenomena and you believe it I’m sure and yet its still labelled as a theory. People might as well stop believing in gravity.

@psyah

If there comes PROOF for evolution in my life time then I will accept it until that point I will be sceptical towards it I will not give it the benefit of the doubt and I urge all Muslims to do the same.

There is overwhelming evidence that suggests evolution occurs, the evidence is stacked in favour of evolution. We cannot deny it. It is not a weapon of the devil nor atheists. It is simply an observable occurrence. There are are transitional fossils, variation occurs all around us, we have evolutionary leftovers in various species, etc…

It does not go against the Islam (Quran & Hadith). Sure Allah knows best though. I have faith in Him and I hope things become clearer for all sides.