Why are Indians so "obsessed" with China?

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90 (big exagerration) % of it is not from china. read below

Feb 11, 2005

During this period, India’s annual trade surplus with China widened rapidly. Before 2002, India’s trade deficit with China was about $0.2 billion on average, never exceeding $0.4 billion. In 2003, India’s trade deficit with China was converted to a surplus of $0.91 billion. The trade surplus in the first half of this year reached $1.78 billion, exceeding the total amount of India’s trade deficit with China over the years. **In 2004, Indian exports to China grew by 80.5% to reach $7.68 billion, while India’s imports from China registered a 77.2% year-on-year growth to hit $5.93 billion. **

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/GB11Df07.html

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^^ OK man! I stand corrected. Congrats to bharatis for beating Chinese dragon.

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good that you corrected. Besides, no bharathi is telling that they have beaten china...

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Being competetive is a good thing.

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http://www.economics.harvard.edu/faculty/rogoff/papers/Indian_Tortoise.pdf

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Nice article...

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Very good post putter.. Jewnda reh! Muaaah!! :biggthumb

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Are you even reading the thread, or started looking up and found first anti-India post and started grinning....
Oye bhai, this place isn't for self-fulfilling place for your own thught process. The discussion forums are to understand and to contribute.......... :D

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In Electronics and manufacturing it is taking a new path

http://www.reed-electronics.com/eb-mag/article/CA6328382.html

India is not the new China

The two economies are following different electronics development paths

By James Haughey, Reed Business Information – Electronic Business, 5/1/2006

India is now attracting electronics hardware investments, after grabbing a major foothold in the world data processing and call center market and leveraging that into a growing stake in software development. The Indian electronics industry is now less than 5 percent of the size of the Chinese industry but appears poised to expand very quickly.

A word of caution to ambitious electronics executives: The development of the electronics industry will follow a distinctly different growth path in India than in China, because the two countries are following very different economic development models.

China’s comparative advantage a decade ago was abundant cheap labor. China followed the path blazed by Japan, South Korea and Taiwan, by focusing on low-skill, labor-intensive markets it could dominate with inexpensive products and quickly earn foreign exchange for further manufacturing investments. This process requires subsidies for production costs to be squeezed from rural incomes and inevitably results in sweatshop factory conditions and massive migration to urban areas.

India’s advantage, compared to China’s, is a surplus of educated workers. The Indian economic development plan focuses on replacing imported goods with the domestic manufacturing of products requiring skilled labor, rather than promoting the export of low-cost goods. For example, foreign manufacturers have already invested several billion dollars in Indian handset production facilities, but most Indian telecom equipment is still imported. Nokia’s parts suppliers are planning to follow their customer to India in the next few years. Although no world-class fabs have yet been announced for India, Intel, Cypress Semiconductor and perhaps other manufacturers appear to be actively exploring building a facility in India.

The Indian development process means that there will be no sweatshops, no disruptive migration to cities and few subsidies offered to either foreign or domestic investors. There are no contract manufacturers in India trolling for business with cheap prices enabled by government capital loans they do not expect to repay.

This explains the recent interest in Indian factory investments. It is typically more expensive to manufacture in India than in China. The physical infrastructure (roads, ports, power) is superior in major Chinese cities, as is the industry infrastructure (parts suppliers and assembly, test and packaging suppliers). India is generally not cost-competitive with China for low-tech manufacturing work such as producing toys and household goods, because labor and transit costs are higher, but high-tech manufacturers are diversifying to India for other reasons.

India offers a large and growing domestic market, access to the huge market elsewhere in south Asia and a commercial and government environment that is both more familiar and more predictable than China’s. India is also a hedge against having too many eggs in an often frustrating—and, for many, not yet profitable—Chinese basket. Operating costs are now rising rapidly at Chinese factories, because the supply of workers experienced in operating machinery has been exhausted in some coastal areas.

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India is not the new China. It is not and never will be the next-cheaper country to head for in search of the lowest current production costs. Manufacturers using the “least cost” strategy are now moving operations to Vietnam and Indonesia. And there are other Asian countries available when these two become too expensive. The South Koreans have recently set up factories in the demilitarized zone, using North Korean labor.
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However, the “Europeanness” of Indian commercial and government institutions is comfortable to foreign electronics companies. Foreign companies can find staff and partners who speak English in India, have a modest understanding of Western cultures and practices and know and respect commercial laws that are similar to those in the United States, Europe and Japan. Potential partners have experience in a market economy. India has had these characteristics for many decades but has actively sought foreign investment for only a few years, since it made a break with its socialist past.

Looking past today’s cost premium for Indian operations, manufacturers see a bright future in India just as they did in China a decade ago. As in the case of China, they believe that the first U.S., European and Japanese companies to master India’s unique operating environment and domestic customer preferences will have a long-term competitive advantage.

INDIA’S 2004 RANK IN THE WORLD* ELECTRONICS MARKET
IT systems and semiconductors
Exports (millions of $) Imports (millions of $) Surplus (+)(-) Deficit
China 187,966 203,169 -15,203
U.S. 170,569 240,727 -70,158
Japan 143,016 85,369 57,647
Singapore 133,145 98,955 34,190
Europe 126,049 180,479 -54,430
South Korea 107,030 58,409 48,621
Taiwan 83,451 63,333 20,118
Malaysia 78,652 65,952 12,700
Philippines 39,100 29,433 9,667
Mexico 38,905 46,595 -7,690
India 1,450 9,000 -7,550

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** India is not the new China. It is not and never will be the next-cheaper country to head for in search of the lowest current production costs. Manufacturers using the "least cost" strategy are now moving operations to Vietnam and Indonesia. And there are other Asian countries available when these two become too expensive. The South Koreans have recently set up factories in the demilitarized zone, using North Korean labor.

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good for them..!!!:D

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Yes, that is unfortunate.

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India has bad relations with all the bordering countries, it should watch out, they might all form a grand alliance and attack one day, and perhaps liberate a few provinces!

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acha...coming from a person whose body is in pakistan and whose mind and soul are in india. that's why he keeps talking, blaming, flaming, shouting against india. so now who has a complex towards whom?.

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and pakistan is in perfect peace with its every neighbour:D ;)

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Why? The thread is about India & China. It must be that inferiority complex thats kicking in.

A powerless American puppet sitting in Afghanistan demanding things, does not qualify as anyone “slapping” Pakistan. I guess this is a made-up line, which gives orgasms to gandoo indians like you. seems to.. boost your self-esteem in some way :naraz:

Sure it does. Karzai’s government also routinely asks Pakistan for aid and help.

Kashmiris also routinely accuse Hindoo Indians of terrorism and inhumane acts. Not to mention the Gujratis and several other internal freedom fighters.

You can go on, but before you do, why don’t you tell us, why is it that China wants to signs an FTA with Pakistan, and not with India?:naraz:

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^ Cheetah ji, you seem to be on a rampage. :D
Yudhu needs some good reminders.

Any doubts ????

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Both lahore's nice try, but not backed by facts. What kind of trade and the amount of trade that china has with Pakistan.
Do u think China will come to ur rescue if there is an attack on Pakistan. Did u get get any support from them during Kargil. Pakistan still depends on USA, talk to China when u finally shake off uncle Sam.

IF

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China dwarfs India in most key respects. Its economy is more than twice as large, it receives 12 times as much foreign direct investment, and its exports are six times that of India's. It boasts a larger infrastructure network, a more literate population and less abject poverty than India, where more than 350 million people eke out an existence on less than a dollar a day.

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cuz chinese ppl eat dogs and cats :D