These ahmadi bashing threads pop up every two weeks and instead of getting to the crux of the issue, we are bored to death with sermons.
I would like to know why are ahmadis muslims? If the ultimate judge is god (read allah for the pious muslim folk) then who gives a rats patooty if ahmadis believe that they are muslims as well.
Chaltahai. Only uneducated and bayghayrat people consider Ahmadis non-Muslim. You see, it is a business for some people to decide who is Muslim and who is not. If you have some spare money, I can have you declared a Muslim. Interested?
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*Originally posted by NYAhmadi: *
Chaltahai. Only uneducated and bayghayrat people consider Ahmadis non-Muslim. You see, it is a business for some people to decide who is Muslim and who is not. If you have some spare money, I can have you declared a Muslim. Interested?
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yea how much?
I don't see the point of this, you could have made the same point in the last "ahmadi" thread and you know the answer anyways. No one is actually prepared to listen on this forum. All you'll get is "why ahmadis aren't muslims".
But people, you still * haven't answered MY original question - which the mods deleted - Are even *Muslims Muslim???
:confused & sad & hurt & frightened by mod actions & totally unable to cut off her tongue and feed it to the maulvi billa:
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*Originally posted by NYAhmadi: *
Chaltahai. Only uneducated and bayghayrat people consider Ahmadis non-Muslim. You see, it is a business for some people to decide who is Muslim and who is not. If you have some spare money, I can have you declared a Muslim. Interested?
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Mr ahmadi please dont get that touchy.......
yar ..imagine indians have countless gods myths,animals etc...if i were a hindu and would come up with with two new GODs namely a rat and a musquito then they would have banished us from hinduism .....it is very natural for all religions .....religion is a set of rules and if u start bending them people will start calling u a non believer ....but my opionion is taht it is Gods decision to do all this not urs and mine.
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*Originally posted by Poodenay_Ki_Chutney: *
Mr ahmadi please dont get that touchy.......
yar ..imagine indians have countless gods myths,animals etc...if i were a hindu and would come up with with two new GODs namely a rat and a musquito then they would have banished us from hinduism .....it is very natural for all religions .....religion is a set of rules and if u start bending them people will start calling u a non believer ....but my opionion is taht it is Gods decision to do all this not urs and mine.
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but why in pakistani passport do you have to make a statement
that you belive in certain things to to be certified as muslim?
passport is to identifiy nationality
"...I believe that prophet Muhammad was the last messenger and
will not accept any recent claims to prophet hood by anyone. I
aslo firmly believe that neither Ahmedis nor Qadiyanis are
muslims....."
above have to be signed be signed by non-muslims too? i dont know?
Poo-tang: Seems like you already were bitten by a mosquito with your malaria ramblings and the fact that you smell like sewer rat (aka pooty) it should be no surprise to anyone that your one true god is Lifebouy soap. :p
Everyone says that allah is the judge then why keep parroting you're a muslim, he's not......etc..etc..
Hmmmmm… You gotta point there…but let say if you call yourself A VIRGIN…which I am sure you are not…but according to you we shouldn’t believe you…until unless we find out… (but if we find out than you won’t be a virgin anymore 
)…so the out come of this ****ty talk is “You have no point and your virginity is in doubt as well”. 
Where do these people come from?? Which planet?? Tell me plzzzzzzzzzz… 
& :disgusted:
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*Originally posted by rvikz: *
but why in pakistani passport do you have to make a statement
that you belive in certain things to to be certified as muslim?
passport is to identifiy nationality
"...I believe that prophet Muhammad was the last messenger and
will not accept any recent claims to prophet hood by anyone. I
aslo firmly believe that neither Ahmedis nor Qadiyanis are
muslims....."
above have to be signed be signed by non-muslims too? i dont know?
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What I hate about the Muslim world today is how hypocritical it is.. This is no more apparent then in Pakistan.. There are so many Muslims commiting every kind of Sin in Pakistan, from the top level down to the comman man, Pakistan is one of the most corrupt countries in almost every way. How many people are drinking, taking drugs, among MANY other things. And yet these are these are the same people that accuse Ahmedis of not leaving "the fold."
Get a Life.
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Originally posted by Ana: *
But people, you *still * haven't answered MY original question - which the mods deleted - Are even *Muslims Muslim???
:confused & sad & hurt & frightened by mod actions & totally unable to cut off her tongue and feed it to the maulvi billa:
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Most of the so-called Muslims today are a joke... They make me want to throw up.
Although there are many exceptions, I find that most Muslims today are hypocrits.
So no, most Muslims today are not real Muslims.
Ahmedis are Muslim because the believe in the proclamation that "God is one, and Muhamad is his messenger."
La illha Ilallah, Muhamad aur Rasoolulah.
Chaltahai,
I'm curious too, about a lot of beliefs, maybe i'll open a thread sometime to get more knowledge. wouldn't be bashing any beliefs though.. none of the other threads here are doing that either.
Frankly, if no one gave a rats patooty if ahmadies are/not muslims, the issue wouldn't exist! Why do people give a rat's patooty? because some nations are being run in the name of islam and for that to function, set beliefs have to be followed. if the govt were to admit all those as muslims who proclaimed as being such, tommorow that community would claim to have its teachings be taught in schools, the day after you'd have the same people in mosques claiming that they're muslim as well and hence should be allowed to lead prayers.. or what not.
On a personal level, this isn't an issue.. on a higher level it can be one.
ps- as a sidenote i must tell you that no one gives a rat's patooty about sarcastic comments either.. doesn't matter how meaningful, sincere, or true they are.. so streamline yer way of speech if you want to actually make yer point when dealing with issues such as religion.. :)