A little dated but shows why Stiffy is wrong and is out to make claims such as
So the scientists do not know, but Stiffy does.
BTW: The article was written by Professor of Atmospheric Science at MIT.
Here is the link: http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110008597
Come on, Semi and other liberals defend your false prophet. :). Tell us how you and stiffy know more than the scientists.
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Can't really make much of the article unless the author gives a bibliography. He makes interesting statements like glaciers are expanding, but i wud like to see a reference from scientific journals.
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^ He is a Professor at MIT. I am sure he did not pull out those facts and numbers from his behind like Stiffy Gore does. Plus, the article was published in Wall Street Journal... I think they have some credibility. :)
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Sorry Kaleem, this guy just doesn’t add up, you’re going to take his word over the organizations listed below?
…Even the National Academy of Sciences, which he is a member of, disagrees with him. Here is a press release released in 2005 which opens with the words “Climate Change is real”. It’s conclusion begins with “We urge all nations, in the line with the UNFCCC principles, to take prompt action to reduce the causes of climate change, adapt to its impacts and ensure that the issue is included in all relevant national and international strategies.” It is signed by:
Academia Brasiliera de Ciências, Brazil
Royal Society of Canada, Canada
Chinese Academy of Sciences, China
Academié des Sciences, France
Deutsche Akademie der Naturforscher, Germany
Indian National Science Academy, India
Accademia dei Lincei, Italy
Science Council of Japan, Japan
Russian Academy of Sciences, Russia
Royal Society, United Kingdom
National Academy of Sciences, United States of America
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I know it took you all this time to gather all of those names and I applaud your effort ...I can compile a list of names of the institutes and relevant subject matter experts as well that side with the professor....his exact point is that Stiffy is gloom and doom prophet where the situation can be best described as "we are not sure"...which your false prophet interprets as "we are all destroying the earth...end is near".
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Kaleem, here the year old ‘report’ you cited is challenged by the author of the “real” report: http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0724-28.htm
It appears "The argument put forward in the Wall Street Journal was based on an Internet posting; it has not appeared in a peer-reviewed journal — the normal way to challenge an academic finding. (The Wall Street Journal didn’t even get my name right!)"
Stop contributing to global warming by blowing your hot air nonsense. I encourage you try to be unbiased and read these reports on the scientific consensus on climate change: http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/306/5702/1686 and http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/302204_warming02.html
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^ He is a Professor at MIT. I am sure he did not pull out those facts and numbers from his behind like Stiffy Gore does. Plus, the article was published in Wall Street Journal... I think they have some credibility. :)
the author, prof. lizden, has been a lackey of coal and gas companies since decades now. his tours are funded by gas companies, and his articles are often ghost-written by OPEC. and he is definitely not a leading authority on the topic, all he really says is, there still are several unknowns.
also, it is too much to expect the bible belt to grasp concepts like global warming. evolution is still taboo in schools there. let the educated folks handle this please.
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^ Are these the same educated folks who invented Internet? or the people who falsely claimed that all the snow was melting away ...only to be refuted. Which one of these educated folks should we believe? Pray tell.
Like, Stiffy does not cite the work of people he supported or are funded by the greenheads? It works both ways. This is why there needs to be more research before so called "consensus" can be reached.
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Seminole, you liberals are very good at spindoctoring. You cite this crap from a history of science professor form a propoganda driven website i.e. commondreams. Its the same author in the other site and one more Al’s follower on the other.
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Kaleem, just because you post crap from pundits who pull things off the internet and speak as if they know what the hell they're talking about, these articles source legitimate, scientific agencies and publications.
The American Meteorological Society, the American Geophysical Union, and the American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS) all have issued statements in recent years concluding that the evidence for human modification of climate is compelling.
In recent years, all major scientific bodies in the United States whose members' expertise bears directly on the matter have issued similar statements. For example, the National Academy of Sciences report, Climate Change Science: An Analysis of Some Key Questions, begins: "Greenhouse gases are accumulating in Earth's atmosphere as a result of human activities, causing surface air temperatures and subsurface ocean temperatures to rise".
The drafting of such reports and statements involves many opportunities for comment, criticism, and revision, and it is not likely that they would diverge greatly from the opinions of the societies' members. Nevertheless, they might downplay legitimate dissenting opinions. That hypothesis was tested by analyzing 928 abstracts, published in refereed scientific journals between 1993 and 2003, and listed in the ISI database with the keywords "climate change"
The 928 papers were divided into six categories: explicit endorsement of the consensus position, evaluation of impacts, mitigation proposals, methods, paleoclimate analysis, and rejection of the consensus position. Of all the papers, 75% fell into the first three categories, either explicitly or implicitly accepting the consensus view; 25% dealt with methods or paleoclimate, taking no position on current anthropogenic climate change. Remarkably, none of the papers disagreed with the consensus position.
That my friend, is called a consensus. These are not some far left loonies, these represent all the scientific journals of today.
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human modification of climate is compelling.
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Even if I agree with your twisted logic... (look at the other thread "Climate is changing" go through the links i provided and refute those scientists...and no because Al Stiff Gore said so will not work) How much change has been caused by humans? Is the situation really alarming? These are the questions. I know the answer to the second one. Nope it is not, for liberals, however, it is and they must keep on repeating lies in order to make it a truth.
BTW: Last I checked professor at MIT is much more credible than your Stiffy Gore and your liberal mouth.
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Kaleem, just because you post crap from pundits who pull things off the internet and speak as if they know what the hell they're talking about, these articles source legitimate, scientific agencies and publications.
The American Meteorological Society, the American Geophysical Union, and the American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS) all have issued statements in recent years concluding that the evidence for human modification of climate is compelling.
In recent years, all major scientific bodies in the United States whose members' expertise bears directly on the matter have issued similar statements. For example, the National Academy of Sciences report, Climate Change Science: An Analysis of Some Key Questions, begins: "Greenhouse gases are accumulating in Earth's atmosphere as a result of human activities, causing surface air temperatures and subsurface ocean temperatures to rise".
The drafting of such reports and statements involves many opportunities for comment, criticism, and revision, and it is not likely that they would diverge greatly from the opinions of the societies' members. Nevertheless, they might downplay legitimate dissenting opinions. That hypothesis was tested by analyzing 928 abstracts, published in refereed scientific journals between 1993 and 2003, and listed in the ISI database with the keywords "climate change"
The 928 papers were divided into six categories: explicit endorsement of the consensus position, evaluation of impacts, mitigation proposals, methods, paleoclimate analysis, and rejection of the consensus position. Of all the papers, 75% fell into the first three categories, either explicitly or implicitly accepting the consensus view; 25% dealt with methods or paleoclimate, taking no position on current anthropogenic climate change. Remarkably, none of the papers disagreed with the consensus position.
That my friend, is called a consensus. These are not some far left loonies, these represent all the scientific journals of today.
POST OF THE DAY !!!!!
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haha. your educated hero Lizden is also on record for claiming tobacco smoke is safe, especially second hand smoke. there is just not enough proof to reach “consensus”. 
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Queerro, When did I say he was my hero? I merely pointed out that there are dissenting voices out there. Do the research yourself, take off your bleeding heart liberal glasses and let the sunshine through.
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and all i am saying is, the dissenting voice you quote has zero credibility. hardly anything to do with me being liberal.
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Zero credibility according to whom? You? try again. He is a professor at a recognized university...what exactly is your qualification to challenge his credibility?
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Maybe the fact that queer said he claims tobacco smoke is safe, especially second hand smoke. Or that he is a lackey of coal and gas companies whose tours are funded by gas companies and articles are often ghost-written by OPEC? That kind of sums up zero credibility. He sounds almost as smart as you Kaleem!
Gore has done extensive research for decades on this subject. He was in the forefront of this movement years and years and years before this liberal country graciously accepted you as a citizen.
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^ It is not called research ...it is called listening to your lobby. Only listening to people who agree with you and shunning out the rest. tying federal govt. grants to the acceptance of your philosphy..either they accept your crap or do not get federal dollars. That my friend is not research, it is self serving agenda ... which by the way is fitting for a liberal.
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Self serving agendas are not limited to liberals. If nothing else the conservative movement is to advocate selfish interests. Liberals are progressive - change. Conservatives are about keeping things the way they are to serve the ones the current policies benefit (i.e. self serving).
How could you possibly begin to think you know what Gore has or hasn't studied and researched in his 30+ years of working toward solving the climate crisis? Do you have a camera in his study or have some ohter way of dissecting what he has or hasn't read? You have no clue. Making false generalizatoins and accusations.... which is fitting for a conservative.
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Read my original post where he claimed that scientists "do not know"... yeah and he is a scientist...What a load of crap....lest you forget this guy also claimed that he invented the internet... do you want me to accept that he spent 30 years researching this topic...fat chance. He is a liar, hypocrite, and a loser.