Why a Hindu should become a Muslim

[hareem01]

Re: Why a Hindu should become a Muslim

@tommygun

2>Please do not claim that the quran has not been corrupted. It is common knowledge that the Pagan goddesses of Al-Lat, Al-Uzzah and Manah (daughters of the Pagan Moon God of arabia Al-Ilah) were mentioned in the Quran by Muhammad and later reversed saying that it was the devil who made him write that (So Islam has polytheism roots!!) here again we have a **contradiction **u guys say Quran cant be corrupted but when allah was supposed to give it, it was corrupted in the first place itself?!! surprising isn't it?be it the devil or any one it **was **corrupted also if the devil can interevene in a religious(?) event like the revealing of your Holy book, it means the devil is atleast as powerful as God if not more(?!!)

(2) Please do not allege a theory as common knowledge. From my knowledge the first person to come up with this theory is Robert Morey. One of the most extensive replies being from Shabir Ali. Anyone who claims corruption of the Qur'an has a big task to prove these allegations. Yet, here are you after doing a google search you think yourself some expert on the Qur'an.

What is your source? Where did you get the information from? I can be sure it is not from any authority on the Qur'an.

So give me your best and tell me what areas you think are corrupted and inshaAllah we'll analyse it together.

[hareem01]

Re: Why a Hindu should become a Muslim

@tommygun

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Also u claim that the Quran cant be corrupted at all Now bear in mind that corruption need not be in the text of the Quran only it can also be in the actions inspired by the words in the Quran so the terrorist activities in the name of islam amount to the corruption of the Quran So a contradiction here again if u support these acts of terror, u cant call Islam a religion of peace and if u dont u agree that the Quran has been corrupted Also with the Arabic language being so contradictory the Quran will sooner or later be corrupted ( more on this in my later posts) GTG now as i am in a cyber cafe not at home see u guys

Nice Strawman! - You have created your own premise for what the term "corruption" means and then you argue by it. Bravo. Actually what you say is not the corruption of the Qur'an at all, it is the corruption of the people who read in to it as they wish. In fact the Qur'an is so miraculous it predicts this behaviour and states, the Qur'an gives guidance as well misguidance. So the Qur'an remains on firm grounds.

Islam is the religion of to bring a situation of optimal conditions on the Earth in regards to matters of peace. So I agree I do not call Islam the religion of peace, but I say it is the only order that can bring the best conditions possible. There will always be rebels to any order and Islam is no exception. However, it has the highest moral standard and the strickest penal system which reflects that even the slightest sin/crime is only committed by the very worst of people. I do not support the acts of terror of any people, I did not support Saddam nor do I support America in their campaign for dominion over Iraq. However, I do support the few people who stop the criminals by placing their lives in the way. One such person was Rachel Corrie who got killed when she stood in the way of a Palestinian house from being crushed.

[hareem01]

Re: Why a Hindu should become a Muslim

[quote=ssingh]
question:Science tell us that whatever one eats, it has an effect on one’s behaviour. Why then, does Islam allow Muslims to eat non-vegetarian food, since eating of animals could make a person violent and ferocious?

1. Only eating of herbivorous animals allowed

I agree that, what a person eats has an effect on his behaviour. This is one of the reasons why Islam prohibits the eating of carnivorous animals like lion, tiger, leopard, etc. who are violent and ferocious. The consumption of the meat of such animals would probably make a person violent and ferocious. Islam only allows the eating of herbivorous animals like cow, goat, sheep, etc. that are peaceful and docile. We Muslims eat peaceful and docile animals because we are peace loving and non-violent people.

http://www.irf.net/irf/dtp/dawah_tech/mcqnm8.htm

This is one of the weirdest explanation i have ever come across. “Eating herbivorous animals makes a man peacefull and eating carnivorous animal makes a man violent!”. This is what i got from Dr zakir naik’s website while going through his site. So much for science?..

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whats wrong with it singhs?

[hareem01]

Re: Why a Hindu should become a Muslim

@tommygun

Also wid regard to the Quran not being corrupted, sir I beg to differ now I do not remember the exact arabic words but these were in a talk given by Dr Zakir Naik: 1> Interest on lent money is Haram in islam but the word or phrase that shoes this in quran means both interest as well as very high rate of interest ; so a contradiction is evident 2>the word for a group in arabic means anything between a collection of anything between 15 to 100 3>In arabic when u address the majority the Minority has to comply as well for eg. in class of 90 boys and 10 girls if I say all boys stand up, all girls have too as well

This is so prone to manipulations... arabic as a language has no strngth at all how can a language have the same word mean both positive and superlative degree?(eg 1)

There is no way to quantify (as in eg 2) If I say prepare food for a group, it means anything to feed between 15 to 100 people(wow, how ambiguous and absurd is that)

There is no essence of Grammar as well so in eg 3 if there are 51 guys and 49 gals, we'll have to stand and count

And with all that quack Zakir Naik says Arabic is the richest language in the world. The guy has turned the definition on it's head a rich language will have a **unique word **for everything just **like sanskrit **does not arabic

With so many chances for manipulation in the original itself(quran in arabic), how long can anything stay incorruptible?

Muslims say that all other books are corrupted but remember all other books/scriptures are in excess of atleast 3000-8000 years old and quran is just 1400 yr old; only time will tell (here again there can be a debate wheter or not these books were corrupted or not as ONLY quran says they were corrupted)

Once again I will say that all my muslim friends should not claim "Because the Quran says so.." as a valid justification for anything u are only keeping yourself in the dark

learn Arabic.

[hareem01]

Re: Why a Hindu should become a Muslim

@tommygun

My views on Da'wah

Now this is the greatest contradiction of all in Islam when anyone says anything that does not agree with Islam ( and I do not mean Insulting to Islam as in Taslima Nasreen's Novel), some Quazi or Imam or someone in the Muslim world has the authority **to declare a Fatwa on him But Islam itself reserves the same liberty for itself in the form of Da'wah whcih u guys claim is a religious duty, now how many Shankaracharyas (hindu religious heads) have declared a Fatwa against Zakir Naik when he says Ram is not god? whereas If i say that "mohammad is not the prophet of god" I may not be left alive tomorrow That's why **Hinduism and not islam is the religion of peace consider this:

1> Throughout it's 10,000 yr History "Hindu" India has not Invaded any other country in the world (internal unrest was present but no aggression against other countries outside the subcontinent) As opposed to that **Muslim **armies in 732 AD(less than 100 yrs after mohammads death) were beaten by the french army on the spanish border imagine in less than 100 yrs muslims attacked and destroyed arabia(most of which was Jewish), the Sinai, egypt, libya,tunisia,Morocco, western Sahara, jumped the medeterranian at Gibraltar and destroyed Spain Add to that the campaigns of Sicily, Italy(which led to the first crusader army to be raised in 1095 AD) , and the countless attacks on India as well in the next 1000 yrs or so... Some religion of peace....

2>Islam does not accept even Nominal variance to what they believe case in point the 8 year iran - iraq (read shia-sunni) war JUST because shias added "and Ali is his companion" to your "There is no God But Allah..."

Not only that on this very forum itself there was a thread with heading "Are they Muslim?" referring to Bohra and Khoja muslim communities in Gujrat

As opposed to that **HINDUISM **has not only permitted but allowed various religious offshoots to thrive (read Jainism,Buddhism,Sikhism and Sufiism) more over their religious temples or places can be built freely anywhere in India (including your Mosques) Lets see Saudi Arabia extend the same liberties to a hindu or Sikh

Lastly when the Zororastrians quit Iran from *Muslim Persecution **and reached Surat, Gujrat, India the **Hindu King accepted them **as refugees and not as slaves **without **asking for **Jizya *: your non muslim tax

Some religion of peace u have here...

Islam has only spread by the sword in the world and if u believe it was love and compassion all I can say is u are fooling yourself...

With all due respect, for all the bloodshed caused by Islam in the past 1400 years and the so called "Jihad" u guys abet and run in the name of religion in the present day

I think U mulims should **rivert **to Hinduism not hindus **converting **to Islam...

Your comment please

I can see how much you lots love muslims and Dr Zakir Naik...........you lots are accusing him without any proof,also mocking at him ,calling names and so on.in past whole threads have been deleted bcoz of your indecent language.Same thing will again happen to this thread.
I don't care what a person's view about dawah when he does'nt know whats its mean....

[yo_wasim]

Re: Why a Hindu should become a Muslim

@tommygun

Please do not claim that the quran has not been corrupted. It is common knowledge that the Pagan goddesses of Al-Lat, Al-Uzzah and Manah (daughters of the Pagan Moon God of arabia Al-Ilah) were mentioned in the Quran by Muhammad and later reversed saying that it was the devil who made him write that (So Islam has polytheism roots!!)

The questions you ask are not new at all, actually many of this christian missionaries have infact spoken about this in debates and there doubts have been cleared. So this is nothing new.
I can quote what historians have said or what our own Mahatma Ghandi has, said get me authentic documented evidene of the Prophet and I will give you the addresss where I live I will pay you for the book if he is accused of this false deeds, Authentic do you understand what Authentic is.
We say polytheism are the roots then i need authentic evidence, People infact say at times Ram might be a Prophet do we believe this, if I have to I need or you need authentic evidence.
1400 years down the line the christian missionaries they have got to say Prophet followed polytheism naubillaah. People during his time they new he was a trushworthy character a truthful character.
If he preached Monothiesm and Practiced polythiesm you think, he would have been spared, Infact his own uncle Abu Jahl, was following him each and every step and many of his opponents for eg. Like a CID. Noticing what his words were, his traits.
People know what Prophet Mohammed was or do you think this historians, who have praised him would have kept quiet. Do you think if he contradicted would he have got love from his own people.
The life history of this Noble Prophet was a perfect example of being upright, merciful, compassionate, truthful, brave, generous, distant from all evil character, and ascetic in all worldly matters, while striving solely for the reward of the Hereafter. Moreover, in all his actions and dealings, he was ever mindful and fearful of Allah.
All of history has not preserved the biography of any person in the manner it has preserved the life of Muhammad, who is the most influential human in history. Nor has the entire earth known of anyone whom every morning and evening, and many times thereafter throughout the day, is thought of by those who believe in him. Upon remembering Muhammad, those who believe in Islam send salutations to him and ask Allah to bless him. They do such with full hearts and true love for him.

[yo_wasim]

Re: Why a Hindu should become a Muslim

@tommygun

Also wid regard to the Quran not being corrupted, sir I beg to differ now I do not remember the exact arabic words but these were in a talk given by Dr Zakir Naik: 1> Interest on lent money is Haram in islam but the word or phrase that shoes this in quran means both interest as well as very high rate of interest ; so a contradiction is evident

Now Mr. Tommygun should be called Dr. Tommygun has he is achieved Phd in Arabic directly from the Quran. My dear Phd, ustad,
You have picked up so innocently, wha is wront with Dr.Zakir they have been 14 million coptic christians, in Arab land dont forget the Jews my dear Phd, but if you are so Intelligent, dont you think they would have read the Quran in Arabic language and if there were contradictions wouldnt this be Accounted for the muslims.
1400 years passed Allaah challenges Get one verse equivalent to the Quran. But the Arabs could not bring a similitude of even one. The language was divine. But you think so then prove it.

[yo_wasim]

Re: Why a Hindu should become a Muslim

@tommygun

3>In arabic when u address the majority the Minority has to comply as well for eg. in class of 90 boys and 10 girls if I say all boys stand up, all girls have too as well And with all that quack Zakir Naik says Arabic is the richest language in the world.

The example was tommy gun is given is out of context again a liear amongs liars, if you uhave to know what the meaning is then you got to ask the one who knows arabic.
I got a Arabic christian friend and he agreed with this, fact he says this is the grammar. I told you my friend is a liar, this is taken from IRF website where I showed my Arab friend. Check out how this tommygun lies its 99 or 90 check it out my dear friend, do it. I know my Arab friends they say the Grammar of Quran is so high it is so high, that one word is got so many root meanings. If you think it was so easy dont you think an Arab christian would make mockery of it.
"The English translation of the first part of the verse ‘We said to the angels bow down to Adam: they bowed down except Iblis’, gives us the impression that Iblis was an angel. The Qur’an was revealed in Arabic. In Arabic grammar there is a rule known as Tagleeb, according to which, if the majority is addressed, even the minority is included. If for example, I address a class containing 100 students of whom 99 are boys and one is a girl, and if I say in Arabic that the boys should stand up, it includes the girl as well. I need not mention her seperately.
Similarly in the Qur’an, when Allah addressed the angels, even Iblis was present, but it is not required that he be mentioned separately. Therefore according to that sentence Iblis may be an angel or may not be an angel, but we come to know from Surah Al Kahf chapter 18 verse 50 that Iblis was a Jinn. No where does the Qur’an say Iblis was an angel. Therefore there is no contradiction in the Qur’an"

[yo_wasim]

Re: Why a Hindu should become a Muslim

@tommygun

With so many chances for manipulation in the original itself(quran in arabic), how long can anything stay incorruptible?

Muslims say that all other books are corrupted but remember all other books/scriptures are in excess of atleast 3000-8000 years old and quran is just 1400 yr old; only time will tell (here again there can be a debate wheter or not these books were corrupted or not as ONLY quran says they were corrupted)

Once again I will say that all my muslim friends should not claim "Because the Quran says so.." as a valid justification for anything u are only keeping yourself in the dark

The Quran being corrupted like Allaah in Surah 15:9 says " I am the guard for the Quran".
My dear friend i want a quote a small example. How many of you I challenge amongst the Hindus know the Vedas, Puranas and the Cream of Vedas byheard I challenge.
But Muslims over the generations and generations in India and Pakistan itself they are millions who know the Quran byheart. I can challenge and as the above stated verse Allaah takes a vow, and its a miracle that they are millions of Muslims who know the entire Quran by heart.
Now you know why is that we can Quote Quranic verses, because its availabe at will.
Chapter 4 Verse 82
Then do they not reflect upon the Qur’an? If it had been from [any] other than
Allah, they would have found within it much contradiction.
I challenge you but its better we get other thread for this as the topic itself is manipulated.

[yo_wasim]

Re: Why a Hindu should become a Muslim

@ssingh

Besides, both Dr naik and nana patekar do look somewhat identical....hehe.

ssingh you have finally stirred the hornets nest. Now i want to let the cat out of the bag, I was quiet until now.
My dear Muslim brothers and Hindu Friends

You mock at Dr. Zakir Naik. Now I want to know one of his lectures he speaks against your religion, your gods any one instance I have watched and I have found none. In what way is he mocking.
I was there in bangalore Jan 21st Similaritis betwen Hinduism and Islam. Sri Sri Ravishankar most respected for his spirituality.
Wrote a book, regarding Islam, when during the time of Gujarat communal riots.
He confessed that he had written that book in a hurry. So, there may be many errors in it.
What a shame ??? A leader of his stature, confessing in front of millions, that his references are unauthenticated.
Then the Question and Answer round came, he could not answer many.
Finally, he confessed that his book contained a lot of errors. He literally begged the audience and Dr.Zakir , not to ask any more questions from his book".

I want to know you say Dr. Zakir mocks right, but Sri Sri Ravishankar is directly mocked at God, by writing such books and indirectly making a mockery out of himself.
Now is he not mocking at Islam, we quote it directly from the Horses mouth, and he agreed that his book does not contain authentication about Islam.
" Truth has arrived, and falsehood perished: for falsehood is (by it nature) bound to perish" The Holy Qur'an (17:81)

[yo_wasim]

Re: Why a Hindu should become a Muslim

@tahirbhai

I want to make a film on Zakir Naik ! Nana Patekar will play the character ! What an idiot ! You say , he is doing dawah, hee hee. you dont compare religions when u do dawah

Tahir you could only find Afridis wordings could not find the wordings of tommygun where he is mocking against Prophet our Noble Prophet.
If tomorrow I could openly scoff at your parents would you leave me alive.
There he says about our Noble Prophet, you turn a blind eye towards thats and talk about Dawa'h of Zakir Naik. Anyways you have your own perception.

[hareem01]

Re: Why a Hindu should become a Muslim

for yo-wasim

very nice replies…may Allah increase our knowledge more about islam.

[RoCKiSTaN]

Re: Why a Hindu should become a Muslim

Most converts to Islam are educated Hindus. Well for atleast what I've seen and heard.

[ssingh]

Re: Why a Hindu should become a Muslim

@yo_wasim

ssingh you have finally stirred the hornets nest. Now i want to let the cat out of the bag, I was quiet until now.

okay.....

I will ask you one thing in a humble way
yo_wasim, what hornets nest?...If you just read one of the earlier posts, some one said we are following blind faith. shall i say that would have stirred the hornets nest.

You also said once if you say anything wrong or find faults about anyone mother in front of her son, will that son like it?....you asker this earlier.

If we take the analogy of religion as someones mother, then will you like it being mocked by pointing 101 contradictions and stuff. I hope you understand. Dont get un-happy. Nobody finding faults with quran or your faith. It's just one person.

With regard Dr zakir naik's analogy with nana patekar, i just said they look similar. Nothing else. Besides, if nanapatekar was some criminal or bad element then your unhappiness would have been justified. He is a great actor.

Now with regard to Ravi shankar, I read it in news paper that he made some errors or something. Besides if he had written any such book, it was wrong. I whole heartedly accept it, if it was written without any proofs.

[ssingh]

Re: Why a Hindu should become a Muslim

@hareem01

"Eating herbivorous animals makes a man peacefull and eating carnivorous animal makes a man violent!". This is what i got from Dr zakir naik's website while going through his site. So much for science?...

quote] whats wrong with it singhs?

The argument of Dr zakir naik is, eating herbivorous animals makes a man peacefull and eating carnivorous makes a man violent....what scientific proof is there for this?....

You all guys must be tasting chicken frequently, even it is a carnivourous animal which feeds on insects. If i say a man becomes violent by eating chicken because it is a carnivorous animal, is it not un-scientific?

[ssingh]

Re: Why a Hindu should become a Muslim

quote=hareem01I believe Vedas have elements of divine origins.
(b)Yes
(c)Now do you believe your own scriptures enough to accept the prophecy of Muhammad[saw] ?
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If the prophecy is there, then why wouldn't we accept it?.....i am even willing to believe quran has elements of divine origins.

Besides, my dear muslim friends, dont worry.....there are many hindus who like zakir naik, you would have understood this if you had seen his lectures.

[ssingh]

Re: Why a Hindu should become a Muslim

@yo_wasim

The Quran being corrupted like Allaah in Surah 15:9 says " I am the guard for the Quran". My dear friend i want a quote a small example. How many of you I challenge amongst the Hindus know the Vedas, Puranas and the Cream of Vedas byheard I challenge. But Muslims over the generations and generations in India and Pakistan itself they are millions who know the Quran byheart. I can challenge and as the above stated verse Allaah takes a vow, and its a miracle that they are millions of Muslims who know the entire Quran by heart. Now you know why is that we can Quote Quranic verses, because its availabe at will. Chapter 4 Verse 82 Then do they not reflect upon the Qur’an? If it had been from [any] other than Allah, they would have found within it much contradiction. I challenge you but its better we get other thread for this as the topic itself is manipulated.

yo_wasim,

what does knowing byheart got to do with this?.. If you had any idea of scriptures of hinduism, you wouldn't have asked this. A person called stephen-knapp after studying hindu scriptures for not one, not two, not three but 20 years, he called himself as a hindu (to be precise a vedantist). There was one more american anti-hindu, a angelical christian, read hindu scriptures again for 20 years, it was only after that he changed his perception towards hinduism.

Besides, what has anyone said to Muhammad here that you are upset because of that.

[ssingh]

Re: Why a Hindu should become a Muslim

@yo_wasim

You mock at Dr. Zakir Naik. Now I want to know one of his lectures he speaks against your religion, your gods any one instance I have watched and I have found none.

read this website of Dr. Zakir naik. Even if there is an element of truth in whatever he has written, he is taking out of context because he hasn’t understood certain philosophies of hinduism.

http://www.irf.net/irf/comparativereligion/index.htm

[Abhiman]

Re: Why a Hindu should become a Muslim

@ssingh

The argument of Dr zakir naik is, eating herbivorous animals makes a man peacefull and eating carnivorous makes a man violent?....what scientific proof is there for this?....

You all guys must be tasting chicken frequently, even it is a carnivourous animal which feeds on insects. If i say a man becomes violent by eating chicken because it is a carnivorous animal, is it not un-scientific?

Well I agree with that.

According to Zakir Naik's logic, most Hindus must be the most peaceful because they do not even eat the herbivores who eat vegetables. They directly eat vegetarian foods.
Japanese eat whales and sharks. Canadians eat seals, and bears. Are they violent according to Zakir's logic ? I guess they are probably the most peaceful.

Zakir Naik has a medical degree. If he makes such statements, then his competence in the field of medicine can actually be doubtful.

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How many of you I challenge amongst the Hindus know the Vedas, Puranas and the Cream of Vedas byheard I challenge.
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Well actually Vedas, Upanishads and the epics literally have millions of verses. What appears in translations are small portions.

If somebody can by-heart all these books, then he is elligible for an entry in the Guinness Book of records.

I aslo agree that Nana Patekar can surely characterise Zakir Naik. He is an award winning actor and his past performances have included giving patriotic or political speeches, in the same style as Zakir Naik.

[ssingh]

Re: Why a Hindu should become a Muslim

the thing is....how quickly you guys came to the conclusion that we hate you guys as said by hareem.