Who's behind Pak-Iran Tension?

There was no justification of attack on Pakistan embassy in Tehran and burning of Pakistani flag by some Iranian thugs and enemies of friendship between the two countries in front of police? There is no doubt that Shia-Sunni clashes in tribal areas of Pakistan are work of enemies of Pakistan . It is an internal matter no one should take sides and get into the trap of Iranian Shia Left and Pakistani stooges. Unfortunately if Iran has foreign agents in hundreds current numbers in Pakistan might be in thousands? Pakistan has its own problems and so is Iran ? Pakistanis have always been tolerant and had inclusive approach never put religious beliefs in choosing its politicians.

According to news reports on 18th February 2009, "protesting against Shia-Sunni clashes of Parachinar, hundred or so Iranians attacked Pakistan Embassy in front of the security services and police. They held placards saying “Death to Wahabies”, “Death to Taliban”, “Death to Yazidyaat”, "Death to America " “Death to American allies”, etc.
This development is rattling some Sunni Arab governments, but for Washington , it could be a chance to build bridges with the region’s Shiites, especially in Iran ".
Those who have been shouting anti-Taliban slogans in Iran and burning Pakistan flag must know that it was half Iranian Shia, Benzair Bhutto who supported, nurtured and created Taliban with the support of her foreign masters. Benazir’s minister Nasser Ullah Babur use to call Taliban ‘my boys’. She apologized for creating and supporting Taliban at London School of Economics in front of large a gathering in May 2007. Religion in politics does not matter in Pakistan ? Iran should be careful with its Shia Left and Right!

Pakistan’s Shias are very well integrated with full liberty to practice their faith in harmony with the majority Sunni population. There are approximately 14000 registered Sunni and 380 Shia madrassas in Pakistan , which are functioning peacefully according to the Ministry of Religious Affairs.

ZA Bhutto was Shia introduced in politics by Skandar Mirz (who was from the line of traitor Mir Jafar) a staunch Shia currently buried in Mashhad - Iran. His Iranian wife Naheed Skindar Mirza was wife of Iranian Military Attaché in Islamabad whom SM started an affair before her divorce. She was instrumental in 2nd Marriage of Zulifqar Ali Bhutto with Nusrat Isphani mother of Benazir.
Benazir Bhutto was married by a Shia Imam to Asif Zardari but people of Pakistan elected Ms Bhutto and her father prime minister of Pakistan twice and her husband President. Third re-launching of Benazir Bhutto (and now Zardari) had a Shia dimension too? The Americanized Shia President Zardari is behaving and dressing like Iranian leaders? Benazir and Zardari’s links with Zionist lobby and complete reliance on foreign actors, Benazir Bhutto’s murder investigation by UN is a clear sign of mistrust on Pakistani institutions?

PPP was formed in the house of a Shia, Dr Mubshar Hassan, Bhutto’s finance minister according to reports. MQM also formed and overly represented in leadership by the mostly leftist Shias like John Elia, Raees Emrovhee, Shanshaha Hussain, Abbas Kumeli, Haider Abbas Rizivi and many others. Both the above parties are in complete patronage of India and US! Senator Mushahid Husain the brain of former ruling party PMLQ, Faisal Salah Hayat former interior minister, SM Zafar former law minister, lawyer Naeem Bukhari (reportedly used by Gen Mushraf to sack CJP Iftikhar Chaudhry), Dr Shireen Mazari, spokesperson of Imran Khan’s PTI, Prof Mehdi Hassan, Naseem Zahra, Hasan Askri Rizvi also come from Shia background.
Does Sunnis in Iran have same high positions, liberties, and freedoms as Shias in Pakistan ? For example many known and reported Shias of Pakistan are in high political and government positions doing their jobs without any problems. President Asif Zardari, Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gillani, Information Minster Sherry Rehman, Governor State Bank Saleem Raza, Secretary Defence Athar Ali, DG ISPR Maj Gen Athar Abbas brother of renowned journalists Azhar Abbas (Former GEO TV- DAWN TV), Mazhar Abbas (AFP), and Zafar Abbas (BBC). Former Pakistan 's ambassador to US Abida Hussain her daughter newly elected Senator Kalsum Imam, Senator Faisal Raza Abidi, Faisal Sabzwari, Sind Chief Minister, deputy speaker Sind Assembly Shela Raza PPP and many others. So when, 'Khurshid Kasuri former Foreign Minister said to the Iranian Foreign Minister, “Pakistani Shias are not like Sunnis in Iran”. He meant the above?

Since 2001, US policy is quite focused on Shias and Sunnis. On the one hand US siding with Shias in Iraq and Afghanistan against Sunnis but on the other hand supporting Sunnis in Middle East against Shia Hezbollah and Syria ? Interestingly the wizard of the US policy on Shias and Sunnis is Vali Nasar son of Husain Nasr who was close to Shah of Iran. He is Professor at the US Naval Postgraduate School, an Adjunct Senior Fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations. He tells people what they want to hear not what they should know!

Vali Nasr wrote in Foreign Affairs, July/August 2006, ‘When the Shiites Rise’, "By toppling Saddam Hussein, the Bush administration has liberated and empowered Iraq’s Shiite majority and has helped launch a broad Shiite revival that will upset the sectarian balance in Iraq and the Middle East for years to come. This development is rattling some Sunni Arab governments, but for Washington , it could be a chance to build bridges with the region’s Shiites, especially in Iran ".

The great game of weakening Pakistan was going on for few years but now it has taken pace and no one seems to be bothered? Main features of the game are (1) Humiliation of Pakistan armed forces, (2) Taking over nuclear assets (3) Installing minority group people in powerful positions, which Zardari is already doing. (4) Use minority groups as collaborators? It did not fully work in Iraq but did bring chaos and destruction?

Zafar Hashmi in an article published on 11th January 2005 titled, 'The Shia Strategy in Iraq and Pakistan ’ wrote, "The two most repressive governments from the Shia point of view i.e. the government of Taleban and the regime of Saddam Hussein have disappeared. He wrote, 'The only way to prevent suicide bombings is through intelligence gathering of the enemy or in other words we have to infiltrate SSP and keep an eye on their activities. If some of our brothers join and infiltrated SSP or LJ then we can keep track of their activities and plans. Any intelligence that we gather on SSP or LJ can be simply passed to the Pakistani security agencies who are closely working with the Americans. In this way we neither have to kill, attack, injure, or hurt anybody. All we are doing is passing the information and the rest is done by the agencies themselves.

Its about time we drop the slogan of 'Death to America ’ once and for all. We haven’t achieved anything through such hollow slogans. We should stop living in this Utopia and face the reality. Its time we close the foreign front against America and concentrate on the local enemy whose sole aim is the destruction of the Shias in Pakistan . “http://www.iranian. com/Opinion/ 2005/January/ Shia/index. html

Professor Vali Nasr, while addressing at a program on ‘America and Islam after Bush’, organised by The Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life on December 8, 2008 said, ’ Post-Saddam Iraq is the first Shia Arab state in history. That represents a major turning of the tide. What the U.S. did in Iraq was to showed a path to empowerment for the Shia, first through regime change and secondly through elections".

The News reported on 28th July 2008, that (mostly Shia), “The Hazaras in Quetta have been targeted repeatedly in the past. They suffered casualties which have been sectarian and ethnic biased”. It is reported that the Americans are using Shia Hazars as interpreters in Afghanistan against Taliban and that could have led to attacks on them?

The use of Shias as collaborators is nothing new in the history. Both Mir Sadaiq who betrayed Tipu Sultan and Mir Jafar, who betrayed Sirajudullah in the Battle of Plassy in Bengal , supported and collaborated with British invaders were Shias. Fall of Bengal was the key to the 200 years British rule in India ? Historically, "Vengeful Shiites volunteered help to the Mongols in Mosul and other places along their march. The caliph’s vizier, or chief minister, was himself a Shiite of uncertain loyalty. Islamic opinion afterward held that the vizier, al-Alkamzi, vilely betrayed the caliph and conspired with the Mongols; an exhortation in Muslim school books used to say, “Let him be cursed of God who curses not al-Alkamzi.” As fighting began, Hulagu, acknowledging the importance of Shiite support, prudently posted guard detachments of a hundred Mongol horsemen at the most sacred Shiite shrines in Najef and Karbala wrote Ian Frazier April 25, 2005 in The New Yorker.

" Iran may be bombastic but Pakistan has the Bomb", wrote Douglas Bloomfield in The Jerusalem Post on 3rd September 2008, " Iran may boast of great strides in its pursuit of nuclear, missile and satellite technology, but analysts say its progress is no match for its overblown rhetoric. But Pakistan doesn’t need to boast. It already has a stockpile estimated at 60 or more nuclear warheads and North Korean ballistic missiles and US-made F-16s to deliver them."

No country should take sides on the basis of religious beliefs because Shias and Sunnis co-existed for hundred of years all required is to save themselves from abuse and keep their house in order ? No doubt there would be minor religious tensions but internationalising them is like asking for trouble? What is happening in Kuram Agency now or in the past, Iranians have no control over it and they have their own big problems too. When tensions between Catholics and Protestants were at the height in Northern Ireland , Britain did not ask Italian Catholic Pope to intervene or sign an international Catholic - Protestant peace deal? We never saw any protest outside British Embassy in Vatican ( Rome ) when Catholics and Protestant riots broke out in Northern Ireland ?

Re: Who's behind Pak-Iran Tension?

Those who cant See both Pakistan & Iran Growing , Top of the List USA.

Re: Who's behind Pak-Iran Tension?

You stand in Pakistna. Mun Amrika shareef ki taraf. Ignore Iran. Peechay India shaitan. Neeyat dollars lainey ki. Allah Hu Akbar!

Re: Who's behind Pak-Iran Tension?

^^ Didn't understand a Word.

Re: Who's behind Pak-Iran Tension?

Let me try and make it simpler for you:

Pakistan has been a loyal dog to USA.
USA hates Iran.
Iran hates USA.
Iran does not like Pakistan being a loyal dog to USA.

got it?

Re: Who's behind Pak-Iran Tension?

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Iran hates USA.
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Yet Iran supported the U.S. invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq secretly.

Iran also, behind closed doors, have worked with the U.S. on a myriad of issues that I prefer not to delve into.

Bashful khan…you can add one more bit of information to what you have written above…

President Sikander Mirza was ready to sell Kalat with blessing of Khan of Kalat and whole lot of Gold to Iran in 1959 when General Ayub Khan declared the First Marshall Law in Pakistan…***this can be varified!

Pakistan has had many enemies…even within!


You are not suggesting that the attack on Pak embassy in Tehran was orchestrated by the US?

Oh no, not this drivel again.

i met many iranians in USA in L.A in office and also in my apt complex, all of them says they don't like pakistan,

but i feel like some of the pakistanis i meet are very nice comparing to them

Oh quit spreading constipated conspiracies.

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Just remember

Pakistan and Iran = good friends IN Shah's time

Pakistan and Iran = enemies the day Ayatullah Khomeni rah came to power.
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Reason is simple.

Sunnis and Shias have been at each others throat from the day of Ali ah. And Khomei rah just restarted the same hate immediately after coming to power.

Pakistanis are $tup-eed to become pawns in the game between Saudi-wahabis and Iranian Shias. Pakistani-Shias got money from Ayatullahs and started Jaish Mohammad. As a response, Pakistani-Wahabis got money from Saudi and started Sipah Sahaba. And what they the rest is a bloody history.

Now you know why Taliban are committing horrendous atrocities against our fellow Pakistanis just because they happen to be Shias. Sad isn't it. We all forgot that we are Pakistani first and Sunni Shia second. No wonder our country is in turmoil, because we have lost the very concept of nationhood.

Anyone commenting on Iran must understand that for Ayatullahs it is a 1000+ year old Shia Sunni tussle. Anyone trying to blame it on current leadership in Pakistan is living in fool's paradise.

I'm Iranian and the ones in Australia aren't fond of the LA Iranians either.

Besides, when there are a lot of Pakistanis who harbour radical tendencies especially the ones in England and Australia, what do you expect?

At least Iranians in the Western world don't bite the hands that feeds them like many Pakistanis do. How many times have I came across Pakistanis who hate the West, its culture, and its people, yet have no problem living there? They glorify Saudi Arabia and want Pakistan to be the splitting image of the Taliban under Afghanistan yet you wonder why no one likes Pakistan these days?

What has Pakistan accomplished besides being a center of terrorism and Wahhabism?

Yes that's true. However Pakistani-Shias are afflicted with Iranian Ayatuallah love too. In fact Pakistani-Shias were first to form a anti-Sunni militant organization called Jaishe Mohammad.

So yes both Pakistan Sunnis and Shias are guilty of becoming slave of SA and Iran respectively.

Well that's partially true. surely we are going through our struggles. But we were never "axis of evil". We have Taliban but so far we have not allowed any Ayatullah to turn our country into a religiously backward cesspool either.

So Iran is no golden parrott. they have their own problems and little men like Nejad and we have our terrorists Islamists.

Nothing to gloat about!

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Well that's partially true. surely we are going through our struggles. But we were never "axis of evil". We have Taliban but so far we have not allowed any Ayatullah to turn our country into a religiously backward cesspool either.
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Iran a religiously backward cesspool? HAHAHAHAHAHA

Obviously you have never been to Iran. Sure Iran has its own problems but at least our country has never invaded another sovereign country (though I wish they did invade Afghanistan to avenge the murder of our diplomats 11 years ago). Not only that, Iran, unlike Pakistan, has been successful in implementing a family planning policy that cut the fertility rate more than half in such a short time. What has Pakistan done to curtail its population growth rate? Little, due to the opposition by illiterate mullahs who believe that family planning is a plot by the West to make Muslims sterile LOL

You want to know the irony? The family planning policy is endorsed 100% by the religious leaders in our country.

Another is the literacy rate. Now despite Pakistan being a US ally and not subjected to sanctions like Iran, Pakistan still has an abysmal and embarrassingly low literacy rate, even more so for women. Iran's literacy rate has been much higher nowadays than it was during the shah's rule. Women have more rights in Iran and are not prone to fanaticism like your kind are. How do you, and every other Pakistani here, make excuse of the fact that literacy rates are low in your country? How can you expect Pakistan to be a major player when you allow your illiterate mullahs who have not passed Grade 4 in their studies to run the affairs of your nation? hahahaha

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So Iran is no golden parrott. they have their own problems and little men like Nejad and we have our terrorists Islamists.
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Yes, we have our problems, but we also have problems with Sunnis who continue to whinge like little girls and claim they are persecuted when they have a lot more rights than the Shi'a in Sunni countries do (namely Saudi Arabia and Afghanistan under the Taliban).

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Nothing to gloat about!
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I personally think Ahmadinejad is an idiot and has done absolutely little to help our country. However, even despite his faults, I would rather rally behind him than to rally behind the Taliban or their ilk. Like it or not, women have much more freedom under the rule of the Ayatollahs than in the tribal areas of Pakistan!

At least I can freely walk around Tehran or Esfehan or even Mashad and not worry about a bloody suicide bomber blowing themselves up in the middle of town, as is the case in Pakistan.

hahahah.

Obviously the situation in Iran is so pathetic for women that you had compare Iranian human right record with your gold standard Taliban.

hahahha.

FYI. Many 2-bit African and Middle Eastern dictators would say the same thing "We have more rights than under Taliban".

Oh well. nugh said!

All talk and no substance.
Here, try reading this long report. You might want to take your ADD medicine with you while you’re at it. This paper talks about the “remarkable speed of fertility decline and the equally remarkable increase in female education”](http://epc2008.princeton.edu/download.aspx?submissionId=80880).

The conclusion should interest you:


Try looking up the statistics on how many women in Iran are literate, and hold college degrees, and compare it to your precious Pakistan. Then come back to me.

We need to foster stronger relations with Iran, it is a regional power and was historically aligned with our interests. I can't believe that this shia-sunni divide has crept in to sour what should be outstanding relations between the two countries.

I respect Iran for its leadership, nationalism, and its long and glorious history of tolerance. We must engage Iran and work on 1. Stabilizing Afghanistan 2. Vastly opening up trade 3. Working on mutually beneficial issues (ie ending Iran's international isolation, Pakistan's energy deficits).

Iranians are great people. Nothing but respect for them.