Who would've thought? III

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Are you saying she doesn't have any morals. :)

Deal ban rahi hai bhaijan, deal ban rahi hai with a dictator. :)

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hahaha

Musharraf must be laughing his ass off right now. Just few weeks ago, his tenure as a leader was coming to an end. Entire Pakistan to world was buzzing about his case against CJ, now its no more. Thanks to Imran Khan, who thinks he can take out MQM from Karachi. Opposition tactics are becoming more hilarious by the day. Terrorist, yeah right, which is why UAE is going to built a $300 million hotel industry in Karachi.

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She may, or may not. I am not bothered abt it. Evidence suggests she does not. But that is not the point here, is it?

umm hmm

Is support to Taliban, a support to terrorism?
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so you are implying that UAE is only building a 300 million dollar hotel industry in Karachi because they are sure Altaf Hussain is not a terrorist?

dont quite see how you make that logic work.

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$300 mil?? LOL, we hear that every week. Check back in a few years, nothing will come of it.

CJ case is no more?? it's just beginning

Every seasoned analyst,including retired General's have said Mush regime is in it's final months, and its hard to argue against that

Is support to Taliban, a support to terrorism?
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It definatly invalidates the accusation. Why would a private company invest so much when the ruling party is terrorist, involved in extortion and other mafia stuff, allegedly offcourse.

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TheRealDeal, your a PPP supporter right? How will you feel when Benazir and Mushie rule the country together? Because that is what analysts feel will most likely happen

^^^engagement hai meri..................
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no it doesnt.

a private company will invest much money if it thinks the investment will pay off. corporations invest in cambodia and parts of brazil run by cartels, corporations invest in vietnam, heck corporations invested in Nazi Germany by the truckloads.

Are you saying just because corporations invested in Nazi Germany Adolf Hitler is a misunderstood, nice guy, and only allegedly killed all those poles and jews and mentally challenged people?

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No I am saying that you are guys are cluthing to straws and trying to get me to take a bait. Opps, Imran Khan at his best. It is not just a news when a company plans to invest $300 million, even in New York it is a big news. Lets not argue the facts here. Direct investment of $1.2 billion. Karachi is going places.

Imran blew a very reasonable and valid case/ argument against Musharraf. CJ, no matter how political was becoming, had Musharraf on the defensive. Congratualtions, you blew it again, from a valid and logical case, now it is reduced to name calling.

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Im not arguing against facts at all. You tried to logically draw the connection between whether altaf is a terrorist and investment of 300 million, couldnt. Fact is corporations will invest that much money and more (see the investment in Germany during Hitlers reign) IF they see a payoff happening.

Were you just giving "big news" here?

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Imran blew a very reasonable and valid case/ argument against Musharraf. CJ, no matter how political was becoming, had Musharraf on the defensive. Congratualtions, you blew it again, from a valid and logical case, now it is reduced to name calling.
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Nobody blew anything. Musharraf is still on the defensive, and every day he and his advocates get hammered on the telly. People are drawing associations between MQM and Mushie, which has a crushing impact on PML (Q) above all.

The CJ reference was getting a little stale for some people, far from being a positive, all this has done is reinvigorated anti-Mush forces.

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Keep on wishing. People of the city have already moved on and so will rest of the country and CJ himself. It is no longer a Pakistani problem any more rather political party name calling.

Only message to he city is that do not invite volatile personalities as they create law and order situation for political gain.

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haha.. so you say to another person of the city.

anyway, so atleast you concede that your argument that investment in the city implies that Altaf Hussain is not a terrorist is invalidated?

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No, it makes your allegations invalid. No company will invest when country is in trouble. When people do not trust the ruling party. The lawyers are joke, when they look at situation of Shumail Raj and Shahzina Tariq, they say and do nothing. The same people are asking a dictator for help. They know better than you who is more trustworthy. All these lawyers have done is go below the belt and become political lunatics.

Did you hear KSE is all time high? My God, these terrorist are horrible.

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Wah, ab baat country is in trouble pe aa gayi. The allegation you responded to was of the question of Altaf Hussain's being a terrorist. Stop moving goal posts.

Own what you said and either admit your argument is flawed or actually address how Altaf Hussain is not a terrorist just because the UAE folks are investing in Karachi.

China invests heavily in Sudan for the oil there. Does that mean that genocide is not happening in Sudan? Does that mean that the Chinese investment companies have the view that there is no such place as Darfur or are they calculating for whatever financial gains they will make? The UAE people will invest in Pakistan as long as they see financial gains coming out of there. The minute they see losses, even if Altaf bhai stops his terrorism, they will leave.

Why did AMERICAN companies invest in Nazi Germany, you havent answered that question.

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When people do not trust the ruling party. The lawyers are joke, when they look at situation of Shumail Raj and Shahzina Tariq, they say and do nothing. The same people are asking a dictator for help. They know better than you who is more trustworthy. All these lawyers have done is go below the belt and become political lunatics.

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Diversion from the discussion.

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Did you hear KSE is all time high? My God, these terrorist are horrible.
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You might mention the state of KSE, I might mention the state of the water-less, electricity-less people. Yes Karachi has developed of late, and credit should go to the government in power for that but that does not absolve them of the charge of terrorism.

Taleban accomplished much in their time, relatively speaking. Japan was becoming a world force before WWII, Germany was the leading European economy. All of these governments did massive human rights abuses, and are regarded as terrorists in hindsight.

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How many times do they make a hotel industry or invested privatly to make profits? It is private firm investing. Accept the fact. You have done quite well to promte MQM being invovled in extortion and mafia. A firm would not invest when the ruling party will take their money away and stop them form making profit. It is not oil, rather buidling. Not a natural resource, otherwise it makes the allegation invalid and you are diverting the topic by bringing Nazi and Sudan situation.

Your admition of Karachi progress invalidates your accusation of ruling party being criminal. Nazi germany and Japan were different situation, they were country, not city. They had alliance, Karachi is becoming global. If you read news, the case is not longer the story rather name calling is.

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Nobody said that MQM would take away money from the UAE investors, or indeed that they take away money from anyone at all. They are terrorists and do organized crimes, but they're not stupid.

I dont understand how oil being a natural resource vs a building has any bearing on the discussion so I'll let that slide.

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You admition of Karachi progress invalidates your accusation of ruling party being criminal. Nazi germany and Japan were different situation, they were country, not city. They had alliance, Karachi is becoming global. If you read news, the case is not longer the story rather name calling is.
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my admission would be invalidated if we accepted that progress only happens under a criminal free leadership. There is no way you can prove that. As for Nazi Germany and Japan having an alliance, and Karachi being global what does that have to do with anything? Germany and Japan were seperate counter examples, both with flourishing economies, both with criminals running them.

Mafias have had ties to political leadership in many times during the past and that hasnt always meant a bad economy.

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ravage, lets talk the topic at hand. If you read my post from start, it is on topic, which is Mushrraf laughing his ass off hearing this drama created by Imran Khan. Things were working quite well for opposition when CJ was running all over the country yelling independent judiciary. Lawyers making it political and leaders of other parties coming out of their holes. Musharraf was on defensive, he was made to give speeches left and right to defend his position as a leader. From "army is my second skin" to "I become President on circumstances". Right now, it is about whether Imran Khan's personal life should be a issue? He has overtaken the spot light from CJ, who despite being political was doing quite well to make President's life difficult. Right now, not any more. The drive is diverted. Only thing working for Imran is to prove with all facts that MQM is mafia, terrorists and their leader Altaf Hussain was in fact invloved and carried out the Karachi incident that killed over 40 people. Anything short would be a loss and that case will be decided by a overseas court. Great job!

Moreover, give us some facts Imran. Why keep it so secret? Why is he still collecting it and make a judgement at the same time? Is he not aware of "innocent until proven guilty" anymore?

From legitimate case to name calling.

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think name calling was there all along, that doesnt mean the cases werent legitimate.

i think the CJ has as much spotlight as he needs, and will remain there for the duration of this trial. Every day you will see those headlines. However the opposition needed a whipping boy to keep up the momentum during that relatively long period. While talking too much about the case could have gotten them into trouble, MQM provided them with the perfect substitute.

Fikar not, things will return to Mushie in due time.

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Like I said, keep on wishing. City has moved on and sooner rest of them too.

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okay bhaijaan, you use your crystal ball, i'll use mine :)