Who was talking about freedom of press and criticism of Mushi?

Read this one. Makes me wana throw up. This is in today’s NYTimes. Shame on those who let things like that go on in their country.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/14/opinion/14kristof.html?

Raped, Kidnapped and Silenced

By NICHOLAS D. KRISTOF
Published: June 14, 2005

No wonder the Pakistan government can’t catch Osama bin Laden. It is too busy harassing, detaining - and now kidnapping - a gang-rape victim for daring to protest and for planning a visit to the United States.

Last fall I wrote about Mukhtaran Bibi, a woman who was sentenced by a tribal council in Pakistan to be gang-raped because of an infraction supposedly committed by her brother. Four men raped Ms. Mukhtaran, then village leaders forced her to walk home nearly naked in front of a jeering crowd of 300.
Ms. Mukhtaran was supposed to have committed suicide. Instead, with the backing of a local Islamic leader, she fought back and testified against her persecutors. Six were convicted.

Then Ms. Mukhtaran, who believed that the best way to overcome such abuses was through better education, used her compensation money to start two schools in her village, one for boys and the other for girls. She went out of her way to enroll the children of her attackers in the schools, showing that she bore no grudges.

Readers of my column sent in more than $133,000 for her. Mercy Corps, a U.S. aid organization, has helped her administer the money, and she has expanded the schools, started a shelter for abused women and bought a van that is used as an ambulance for the area. She has also emerged as a ferocious spokeswoman against honor killings, rapes and acid attacks on women. (If you want to help her, please don’t send checks to me but to Mercy Corps, with “Mukhtaran Bibi” in the memo line: 3015 S.W. First, Portland, Ore. 97201.)

A group of Pakistani-Americans invited Ms. Mukhtaran to visit the U.S. starting this Saturday (see www.4anaa.org). Then a few days ago, the Pakistani government went berserk.

On Thursday, the authorities put Ms. Mukhtaran under house arrest - to stop her from speaking out. In phone conversations in the last few days, she said that when she tried to step outside, police pointed their guns at her. To silence her, the police cut off her land line.

After she had been detained, a court ordered her attackers released, putting her life in jeopardy. That happened on a Friday afternoon, when the courts do not normally operate, and apparently was a warning to Ms. Mukhtaran to shut up. Instead, Ms. Mukhtaran continued her protests by cellphone. But at dawn yesterday the police bustled her off, and there’s been no word from her since. Her cellphone doesn’t answer.

Asma Jahangir, a Pakistani lawyer who is head of the Human Rights Commission of Pakistan, said she had learned that Ms. Mukhtaran was taken to Islamabad, furiously berated and told that President Pervez Musharraf was very angry with her. She was led sobbing to detention at a secret location. She is barred from contacting anyone, including her lawyer.

“She’s in their custody, in illegal custody,” Ms. Jahangir said. “They have gone completely crazy.”

Even if Ms. Mukhtaran were released, airports have been alerted to bar her from leaving the country. According to Dawn, a Karachi newspaper, the government took this step, “fearing that she might malign Pakistan’s image.”
Excuse me, but Ms. Mukhtaran, a symbol of courage and altruism, is the best hope for Pakistan’s image. The threat to Pakistan’s image comes from President Musharraf for all this thuggish behavior.

I’ve been sympathetic to Mr. Musharraf till now, despite his nuclear negligence, partly because he’s cooperated in the war on terrorism and partly because he has done a good job nurturing Pakistan’s economic growth, which in the long run is probably the best way to fight fundamentalism. So even when Mr. Musharraf denied me visas all this year, to block me from visiting Ms. Mukhtaran again and writing a follow-up column, I bit my tongue.

But now President Musharraf has gone nuts.

“This is all because they think they have the support of the U.S. and can get away with murder,” Ms. Jahangir said. Indeed, on Friday, just as all this was happening, President Bush received Pakistan’s foreign minister in the White House and praised President Musharraf’s “bold leadership.”

So, Mr. Bush, how about asking Mr. Musharraf to focus on finding Osama, instead of kidnapping rape victims who speak out? And invite Ms. Mukhtaran to the Oval Office - to show that Americans stand not only with generals who seize power, but also with ordinary people of extraordinary courage.

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its all bad and should be stopped...

this article does not mean the press is not free to criticise musharaf!
in this article; Asma Jahangir, the pakistani lawyer is speaking against musharaf!
mukhtaran bibis case was obviously highlighted by newspapers and tv chanels

y do u keep criticising pakistan all the time, ur posts always include everything bad going on in pakistan...

do u not find/have/know anything nice about pakistan!

if ur an indian, r u sure these things dont happen in india...

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What in the above sorry tale, published by NY Times, even remotely talks about freedom of press in Pakistan and that people are not allowed to criticize Musharraf? On the other hand, the writer of this POC has probably his own agendas to malign Pakistan, and folks like you bought the whole thing hook, line and stinker.

Here is something for you, from Pakistan… ofcourse, you can read Urdu.
http://www.jang-group.com/jang/jun2005-daily/14-06-2005/update.htm#38

And here is something for you, in case reading urdu is troubling.
http://www.jang-group.com/thenews/jun2005-daily/14-06-2005/main/main12.htm

And, if you doubt Jang, then here is Dawn’s reporting of the same
http://www.dawn.com/2005/06/14/nat4.htm
http://www.dawn.com/2005/06/14/top9.htm

Now, go and write a letter to Mr Kristof and tell him what a magnificient job he has done sitting in New York and carrying on the great traditions set for NY Times by his predecessor and hero, Jayson Blair.

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haan bai Pakistan 14 saal ki bachi hai..isse kisi tarah malign honay se bacha lao...abh issey mukhtaran mai se bhi khatra parh giya.

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It's obvious that you didnt read the article. The freedom of press comes into play when Kristof is NOT GIVEN VISA to go to Pakistan to report on Pakistan. Get it? Nope!

Faisal, what you are saying is that Press is Free as long as you praise Pakistan and Mushi...in other words, it is legal to kill people with a Gun, but it is not legal to Own a Gun.

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oh please, I DOUBT that Musharraf did all that to her. Sounds like her rapists, who from what I remember had links with the police and also with some higher-ups in Islamabad that hail from the region, are creating some havoc.

Has Mush released a press release statement on this to clear himself yet? I saw something today in the news with Mukhtaran speaking.

See if someone tells you “Musharraf hates you”…would you really believe them? How do you know they’re not lying?

Puh-leez. :rolleyes:

If this guy’s visa has been banned, its probably so that he doesn’t create any more confusion in the story as its probably being investigated by Mush’s people as we speak.

I don’t blame the Pakistani gov’t. I’d deny such a trouble-making journalist a visa too.

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Actually, I was hoping you’d skip past that most moronic sentence in this article. Yeah, Musharraf has nothing better to do with his time, then sitting there all day and all year, waiting to reject visa applications for Mr Kristof. Right. Right. I bet his visa application was rejected by the peon of visa officer for lack of bakhseesh. Next time Pakora is refused a visa, lets blame Bush too. Vah re New Yorker! :k:

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LONDON: Britain’s government-funded charities watchdog was prevented from travelling to India to find out if the UK-registered Hindu Swaymsewak Sangh and its off-shoot, the hugely-successful fund-raiser Sewa International, was using the saffron pound to fund communal hate.

The embarrassing disclosure, made to STOI by the Charity Commission, comes within hours of the BJP’s much-heralded three-state election win and a new mood of international optimism that India may finally have moved on from a divisive era of Hindu nationalism.

Sewa International is the UK’s largest Indian charity.

“What is the Indian government trying to hide (by refusing visas)”, asked a leading human rights campaigner visiting London, Father Cedric Prakash. The priest, who has been working for communal harmony in Gujarat and is on a high-profile visit to London, said the visa refusal was a signal.

Indian High Commission officials declined to comment, saying “We don’t comment on visa issues”.

But a Charity Commission spokesman told STOI on Saturday that the failed Indian visa applications were not the end of the story. “We are attempting to obtain information about HSS’s (and Sewa’s) activities from other sources”, he said.

Commission officials had formerly made clear to this paper that the activities of the HSS and Sewa were hard to investigate without travelling to India.

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Faisal, no, his visa was refused on the highest of orders because he exposes duplicity of corrupt governments. He is pretty good actually. After Tom Friedman, he is the next best thing.

Going back to your freedom of speech thing. You have been here long enough (like at least 6 weeks) to learn that freedom of speech means being able to have access to the kind of reporting you may not like. But oh well. There is hope.

Didn’t really realize that reading this horrific account of blatant disrespect to a poor woman will get you so upset. I wouldn’t have posted it. I apologize. Yeah sure.

You should be happy that journalists of Kristof’s stature are covering Pakistan. They are helping us, contrary to what you believe. They are exposing the ills of our society. They are doing the job that we can’t do for ourselves. On a simple flushing of Quran, people get killed in protest, but here a life is being flushed down the toilet and we are trying to blame journalists? Our priorities are a bit misplaced. Don’t you think?

:jhanda:

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What happened to Mukhtaran Mai is horrific. That her rapists are set free by a court is worse. That the government is not really doing all it can to rectify the situation is worst. But this piece of crap by Mr Kirstof really has no place in any serious discussion about the actual issue. He is just smarting because his visa is refused. Reading his brand of convulated journalism that he is writing from New York, I can see why.

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Faisal, How is that convoluted? Now you are talking like Mushi. When there’s no argument to be made, just shove it on the side and imagine that it never happened. That's a fairly common dictator trait.

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I think missing reading out the first three sentences of a post, just because it doesn't go well with the intended comeback, is a more common dictator trait.

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Pakistan is absolutely f---ed.

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Faisal, But that’s exactly what Kristof is saying too. Where do you have issue with what he wrote, other than your rot of his visa was refused? He has written at least 2 dozen articles from Pakistan (from Islamabad) more critical of Pakistan than this one. The problem is that it hurts too much. I am trying to find out why is it hurting so much?

:jhanda:

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Factually speaking, what he is writing is inconsistent with what is being reported in Pakistani newspapers' latest updates. As I showed in the links, this story is covered extensively in Pakistani media with hour-by-hour updates, including the press conference given by Mukhtaran Mai alongwith the Advisor to the Prime Minister. That almost completely nullifies the conjectures drawn by Mr Kristof. Ok, so that may just be a premature ejaculation on his part due to timing. But the lengths he has gone to link Musharraf with the story of Mukhtaran Mai is laughable and intermingled with his claim that his visa is denied by Musharaf personally is like ak claiming that Bush took pictures of Saddam in his underwear. I don't think you'd get the point so quickly, so try again.

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yaar you don’t have to necessarily look at every application details yourself as president…that is what lists are for…usually ambassies keep lists of such people whom to refuse visa. and that list is certainly not maintained by peons or clerks.

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You know, Madhanee, talk once you find out the details of the situation. As you're speaking now, er typing, they're sorting out the matter in Islamabad.

Instead of letting Mukhtaran Mai herself clear up this mess, which I'm sure she is very capable of doing and she does not need this New Yorker's help from some continents away, you're relying on a report by someone who ... oh look ... is not even IN Pakistan.

Did he himself talk to Musharraf and find out if all these orders were from Musharraf?

You should be smart enough to know how the Paki government works. Mush goes one way, the rest of the chaudris and waderas sitting in the governmnet go the other way.

I am so going to laugh if they find out that some Ganja Dork of a Chaudry was behind all this. Balle Balle.

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Faisal, do you even read the links that you post? In Urdu jhang article it says that at the end of the conference the official restrained MukhtaraN to talk to the press on her own. kiyoN bhaee, aik azad shehri should have the right to talk to press whenever she pleases. Is that freedom of press? Don't think so.

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This has got to be the most self-indulgent and brainless article I have read in days…
The argument in the article goes something to the effect of… Mush didn’t gimme a visa (which I doubt is the Prez’s concern in the first place), so lemme pull my shenanigans to get back at him. If that means jumping the gun on a current affair which is being covering extensively in both the Pakistani media as well as International media, I’ll still make a fool of myself by setting forth baseless and unsubstantiated accusations.

The only thing which has been corroborated by Mai herself is that her name is on the Exit Control List and she’s disappointed over it.

The BBC has reported that the PM is currently investigating reasons for the same… and the real reason for her Islamabad visit is because she is in “talks with Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz’s advisor on women’s development, Nilofer Bakhtiar”

Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4092868.stm

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Who gives a fk bout NYtimes, NYC or NYA? if yu r not welcome, u r not welcome, get it! IDIOT
Now get lost....