who was responsible for the tragic martyrdom of Hazrat Hussain Ibn Ali ?

It is important to note that renowned muhaddissin have not discussed the karabala incident in detail in the books of hadith (like alkalini, imam muslim and imam bukhari) as it is more related to politics rather than religion. However imam bukhari has given few hints about this tragic incident, and the ppl who were responsible for the tragic martyrdom of Hazrat Hussain Ibn Ali. So what we get about the incident of karbala is through historians (but the dilemma is, there are lot of contradictions in their statements, specially regarding the involvement and role of hazrat yazid ib muavia in that tragedy & most importantly the legitimacy of the khurooj of hazrat hussain ibn ali).

I m sharing a narration that Imam Abu Abdullah Muhamad Bin Ismail Bukhari Al Jafi has mentioned, in his book sahih al bukhari.

***Narrated Ibn Abi Na’m: I was present when a man asked Ibn Umar about the blood of mosquitoes. Ibn Umar said, “From where are you?” The man replied. “From Iraq.” Ibn `Umar said, ***
"Look at that! he is asking me about the blood of Mosquitoes while they (the Iraqis ) have killed the (grand) son of the Prophet. I have heard the Prophet saying, “They (Hasan and Husain) are my two sweet−smelling flowers in this world.”

8.23:
Bk. 73: Good Manners and Form (Al−Adab)
**Sahi bukhari **

And hazrat ibn umer supporting hazrat yazid khilafat even after the incident of karbala. Just before the hurra incident (when tribes of madina revolted against hazrat yazid ) what he said to his family and ppl of madina. so it clearly show they never considered yazid responsible for the tragic death of hazrat hussain.

Narrated Nafi`:
When the people of Medina dethroned Yazid bin Muawiya, Ibn Umar gathered his special friends and children and said," I heard the Prophet saying,
‘A flag will be fixed for every betrayer on the Day of Resurrection,’ and we have given the oath of allegiance to this person (Yazid) in accordance with the conditions enjoined by Allah and His Apostle and I do not know of anything more faithless than fighting a person who has been given the oath of allegiance in accordance with the conditions enjoined by Allah and His Apostle , and if ever I learn that any person among you has agreed to dethrone Yazid, by giving the oath of allegiance (to somebody else) then there will be separation between him and me."
9.227:
**Sahih Bukari **

It has been reported on the authority of Nafi,
that ‘Abdullah b. Umar paid a visit to Abdullah b. Muti’ in the days at Harra in the time of Yazid b. Mu’awiya. Ibn Muti’ said: Place a pillow for Abu 'Abd al−Rahman (family name of 'Abdullah b. 'Umar).
But the latter said: I have not come to sit with you. I have come to you to tell you a tradition I heard from the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him). I heard him say:
One who withdraws his band from obedience (to the Amir) will find no argument (in his defence) when he stands before Allah on the Day of Judgment, and one who dies without having bound himself by an oath of allegiance (to an Amir) will die the death of one belonging to the days of Jahillyya.
Bk 20, Number 4562:
**Sahih Muslim **

It is interesting to see that instead of pointing the scoundrel behaviour of the ppl of kufa most of zakirs and many sunni scholars condemn yazid who was a legitimate and competent caliph accepted by majority of the muslims.
Ok shia has got the concept of imamat and they consider imam e waqt a supreme person. But since we sunni have got no concept of that kind of imamat , so we have got no reason to condemn yazid as a murderer of hazrat hussain. Provided that majority of sahaba who was alive at that time neither supported hazrat hussain nor hazrat Abdullah ib zubair (who made a rather serious and planned effort to establish his khilafat unlike hazrat hussain khurroj that was apparently seems to be rather ill planned and supported by of bunch of ppl) when they rose against hazrat yazid ibn muavia.

So you do not consider the status of Imam Hussain (as) as 'supreme'? What is his status in your view then?

Hazrat Hussain was a sahabi (though few muhiddisin consider him a taabi coz he was a child during the life of hazrat muhmammad ) beside he was a grandson of prophet. and thats why me and all muslim love him. A pious and learned personality.

but he was not imam (its my and sunni point of view).

For god’s sake, you have to look at your own ahadith first, does this look like a political event!? The martyrdom of Hussain was not political! My blood boils when you say so. Do you want to know why the Kufans had left Imam Hussain? Ibn Ziyaad came into power when Muslim ibn Aqeel (as) was sent to Kufa and they paid allegiance to the Imam through Muslim. When Ibn Ziyaad came to know, do you know what happened? Some ditched Muslim (as), some were imprisoned and others were targets of fright techniques. This is what resulted in the killings of Muslim and his two sons. Do you know of Bani Asad? I have given you a freaking hadith from SAHIH BUKHARI and Al Bidayah, the same book from your previous topic but you are still so ignorant!? There is an Arabic saying*, lakum deenakum wa le deen*. Imam Hussain’s going to Karbala was not just some political event.

My followers [Shia] among the people of Kufa have written to me to inform me that Ibn al Aqeel is in Kufa gathering units in order to spread rebellion among the Muslims. Therefore when you read this letter of mine go to Kufa and search for Ibn Aqeel as if you were looking for a bead until you find him. Then bind him in chains, kill him or expel him”
History of al Tabari, Volume 19 page 31

Narrated Umm al-Fadl daughter of al-Harith
Umm al-Fadl went in to see Allah's Messenger (peace be upon him) andsaid, "Messenger of Allah, I had an objectionable dream last night." Heasked
what it was and she replied, "It was terrible." He asked, "But what wasit?" She replied, "I seemed to see a piece of your body cut off andplaced in my
lap." He said, "You have seen something good. If Allah wills Fatimahwill give birth to a son who will be in your lap." Fatimah then gavebirth to
al-Husayn who was placed in her lap as Allah's Messenger (peace be uponhim) had said. One day she went in to see Allah's messenger and placed
him in his lap. She turned round, and noticing tears falling from the eyes of Allah's Messenger, she said, "Prophet of Allah, for whom I would give my
father and mother as ransom, what is the matter with you?" He replied,"Gabriel came to me and informed me that my people will kill this sonof mine."
She asked if he really meant this one and he replied, "Yes, and he brought me a piece of red earth." (Tirmidhi, hadith 1639)
Narrated Umm Salamah
Salma said, "I went to visit Umm Salamah and found her weeping. I askedher what was making her weep and she replied that she had seen** Allah's ****
Messenger (peace be upon him) (meaning in a dream) with dust on his head and beard. She asked him what was the matter and he replied, `I have
just been present at the slaying of al-Husayn.'" (Tirmidhi, hadith 1627)
Narrated Abdullah ibn Abbas
One day at midday he saw in a dream the **Prophet (peace be upon him) disheveled and dusty
with a bottle containing blood in his hand and said, "You
for whom I would give my father and mother as ransom, what is this?" Hereplied, "This is the blood of al-Husayn and his companions which Ihave
been collecting today." He told that he was reckoning that time andfound that he had been killed at that time. (Tirmidhi, hadith 1640)

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Narrated Nafi`:
When the people of Medina dethroned Yazid bin Muawiya, Ibn Umar gathered his special friends and children and said," I heard the Prophet saying,
'A flag will be fixed for every betrayer on the Day of Resurrection,' and we have given the oath of allegiance to this person (Yazid) in accordance with the conditions enjoined by Allah and His Apostle and I do not know of anything more faithless than fighting a person who has been given the oath of allegiance in accordance with the conditions enjoined by Allah and His Apostle , and if ever I learn that any person among you has agreed to dethrone Yazid, by giving the oath of allegiance (to somebody else) then there will be separation between him and me."
9.227:
Sahih Bukari
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This hadith is fake. It's not even logical to even debate that Yazid should be the khalifa instead of Imam Hussain. Could you provide some good deeds or some beautiful stories or supplications from Yazid to prove he is better than the Imam in one thing?

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It has been reported on the authority of Nafi,
that 'Abdullah b. Umar paid a visit to Abdullah b. Muti' in the days at Harra in the time of Yazid b. Mu'awiya. Ibn Muti' said: Place a pillow for Abu 'Abd al−Rahman (family name of 'Abdullah b. 'Umar).
But the latter said: I have not come to sit with you. I have come to you to tell you a tradition I heard from the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him). I heard him say:
One who withdraws his band from obedience (to the Amir) will find no argument (in his defence) when he stands before Allah on the Day of Judgment, and one who dies without having bound himself by an oath of allegiance (to an Amir) will die the death of one belonging to the days of Jahillyya.
Bk 20, Number 4562:
Sahih Muslim
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Go give bayaah to Barack Obama cause he's the Ameer of America.

And once again, Ibn Ziyaad, Yazid's best friend..

Ahmed Bin Daud Abu Hanifa Dinwari records the statement of Ibn Ziyad:

“I killed Al Hussain due to the reason that he revolted against our Imam [Yazid] and the very Imam[Yazid] sent me the message to kill Al Hussain. Now if the murder of Hussain is a sin then Yazid is responsible for it”
*Akhbaar Tawaal, page 279 (Egypt) by Ahmed Bin Daud Abu Hanifa Dinwari

**“I killed Al Hussain on the orders of Yazid to kill him otherwise he would kill me therefore I chose to kill Hussain”*
Tareekh Kamil, Volume 4 page 55 (Egypt)

Allamah Jalaluddin Suyuti writes in Tareekh Khulfa, page 140:

“Yazid wrote his ruler in Iraq Ibn Ziyad for the murder of Hussain”

Ibn Kathir records that Ibn Ziyad wrote to Umar Ibn Sa`d:

“Become obstacle between Hussain and water, treat them in the way Ameer al Momineen Uthman was treated and ask him and his companions to give byah to Ameer al Momineen Yazid bin Muawiyah”
al Bidayah wal Nihayah (Urdu) Volume 8 page 1058
Believing Yazid as the killer of Imam Hussain (as) has nothing to do with Sunni's and Imamat. For gods sake, it's a universal message to stand up against oppression. It has nothing to do with politics or Imamat. The Shia's have made a grave mistake by considering Imam Hussain (as) is only theirs. The message can be applied to all humanity.

lakum deenakum wa le deen

CONCLUSION: You have no real knowledge of the Quran, Hadith, and the views of the classic sunni scholars on this topic. Therefore its a waste of a time discussing this with you. Specially when in the past you have opened many controversial topics only to be disappear once confronted and corrected.

brother jaferi

imam bukhari narrating fake hadiths (maazullah ) but tibri is ok .................

IMAM TABARI'S STRANGE CONFESSION: “I am writing this book as I hear from the narrators. If anything sounds absurd, I should not be blamed or held accountable. The responsibility of all blunders rests squarely on the shoulders of those who have narrated these stories to me.”
So, Tabari wrote nothing but hearsay. *Mazhabi Dastanain Aur Un Ki Haqeeqat *by Allama Habib-ur-Rahman Siddiqui Kandhalwi, Ar-Rahman Publishing Trust, Karachi

“Had Ibn Jareer Tabari not recorded the strange reports, I would never have done so.” Tafseer Ibn Katheer,

read the above two statement u will feel there is a circular reference. (i think u have used ms excel and know what circular reference is about)

still u prefer book of history over book of sahih hadiths.......... saying Imam Bukhari is quoting fake hadiths

what a choice u have made ............. i salute u brother

yes u r very right i have got no real knowledge.
lissan ul arab an arabic dictionery for alims define knowledge

"Min sift illallah" mean ilm allah ki sift hay so the knowledge of a creature can never be that real and perfect.

second allegation is not that correct. i have never disappeared. actually i was busy in exam so cud not follow the threads of history properly. but now u can check that i have post replied there..............

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Thread closed!

Thank you!
Lusi-

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