WHO WAS FAMILY OF PROPHET MOHAMMAD (PBUH).???

Re: WHO WAS FAMILY OF PROPHET MOHAMMAD (PBUH).???

Had you bothered to read my post you would have notcied that I had quoted the very question of your's and then gave my reply, so no need for repetition.

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2) Why would Allah need to (swt) “purify you a (thorough) purifying” if some people were already pure to begin with as is your belief.

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OH! So you will now also say that Allah [swt] was not alone and he had father and son before the revelation of Surah Ikhlaas? Come on! Allah [swt] had always been alone, never he had any father or son, even before the revelation of Surah Ikhlas, the Surah was only the reaffirmation of the fact, same is the case with the taharat of Ahlulbayt [as] .

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You must be extremely sensitive guy to be upset with what I had written above. Where does that degrade Hz. Ali (ra)? Care to point it out?
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You have overlooked the merit of Ali bin Abi Talib [as] being 'nafs' e Rasool, thats what caused me problem.

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I don’t have to love Hz. Ali (ra) to please you ).
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I never asked you to please me so your sentence was quite irrelevant.

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and if you care to know I have one son and I have named him Ali. I suppose that shows my love for him).
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Naming one's son is not a proof for loving the one whose name has been chosen. Many Sunni people keep the name "Firoz", does it mean they love Abu Lulu Firoz, the killer of Umar? So naming game is not the the only proof for loving some one.

Re: WHO WAS FAMILY OF PROPHET MOHAMMAD (PBUH).???

whenever u base a religion on selective things, u can be sure its fasle…

selecting just one out of many wives to be called as family…
slecting just one of the daughters…
just one of the sons-in-law…
just a couple of grandchildren…

and then u think u r right…

:rolleyes:

Re: WHO WAS FAMILY OF PROPHET MOHAMMAD (PBUH).???

Salamun alaikum

Ibne Sadiq, I am surprised to read your comment that I have not supported my opinion with Quraan. I request you to kindly read my submissions again and you will find that I have just discussed the Quraanic verses. Yes I have not referred any Hadith in my support and it is simply because the reason that the source of hadith you may refer and consider it right may be doubtful in my eyes, similarly Hadith I may quote may not be acceptable to you.

The ayat you refer is from Sura Hud which transliterate as under:
Qalu ‘Atajabina Min ‘Amri Allahi Rahmatu Allahi Wa BarakatuhuAlaykum ‘Ahlul-Bayt-i ‘Innahu Hamidun Majeed`n.”

I humbly request you to kindly analyze it and you will find that in “Atajabina Min ‘Amri Allahi” the word ‘Atajabina’ is a feminine singular (wahid moanas mukhatab)phrase which is used to address one single woman, whereas in the second part of the ayat “Alaykum Ahl-al-bait” is used which is used for masculine plural addressees (jama muzakkar mukhatabeen). So you can say it a specific Quraanic linguistic. And I can give you example of similar type of address. See Ayat No 29 of Sura Yousuf which says:

Yousufo Aariz un haza wastaghfiri le zanbeke inake kunte minal khateyeen” **12:29

*In Shakir it means “*O Yusuf! turn aside from this; and (O my wife)! ask forgiveness for your fault, surely you are one of the wrong-doers.”
And in Pikthal it means “O Joseph! Turn away from this, and thou, (O woman), ask forgiveness for thy sin. Lo! thou art of the faulty.”

You can see that in very same ayat Allah Swt has mentioned the statement of Azeez-e Misr and the first part is addressed to Hazrat Yousuf whereas the second address is to his wife. Aariz un haza is used for masculine singular person whereas “wastaghfiri le zanbeke” and “innake kunte” both phrases are used for feminine singular. and for that very reason the translators were compelled to add in brackets (O my wife) and (O woman) to separate the two different addresses in same ayat as make this statement understandable, otherwise you cannot understand it.

Similarly the ayat you referred has the same kind of distinction and in fact the later part of the ayat is addressed to the same Ahl-al-bait to whom these ayats were revealed.

Iltemase dua

Re: WHO WAS FAMILY OF PROPHET MOHAMMAD (PBUH).???

DanishJu wa alaykum salaam

***whereas in the second part of the ayat “Alaykum Ahl-al-bait” is used which is used for masculine plural addressees (jama muzakkar mukhatabeen). **So you can say it a specific Quraanic linguistic. *

You are wrong here. Alaykum Ahl-al-bait is use for:

1) masculine plural addressees as you correctly have stated

2) It is also said if the addressees are one male and the other female

Correct me if I am wrong

Re: WHO WAS FAMILY OF PROPHET MOHAMMAD (PBUH).???

BOY-NICE - I have given you ayahs from Quran where Allah (swt) has used Ahlul Bait for wife of the person concerned.

And yet you have the audacity of picking up who you want to be part of Ahlul Bait. Status of Lady Fatimah (May Allah be pleased with her) is well documented and that is not the point of discussion. We are discussing about members of Prophet’s (peace be upon him and his family) family.

We have enough evidence from Quran and hadtih beyond any iota of doubt that wives are part of Prophet’s (peace be upon him and his family) family.
You sir, can believe what you like.

Re: WHO WAS FAMILY OF PROPHET MOHAMMAD (PBUH).???

The Word House (Ahlul-Bayt) in Quran

House of Abraham (AS)
Quran testifies that Sarah, the wife of Prophet Abraham (AS), was blessed by angels and was given the glad tiding that she will give birth to two prophets of God: 11:71 And his wife, standing by, laughed when We gave her good tidings (of the birth) of Isaac, and, after Isaac, of Jacob.
11:72 She said: "Alas for me! Shall I bear a child when I am an old woman and my husband now is an old man? That would indeed be a strange thing!"
11:73 The (angles) said: Do You wonder at Allah's decree? The grace of Allah and His blessings be upon you, O People of the House! He is indeed worthy of all praise full of all glory!"
Since in the mercy and the bounty of God offered in the above verse to the People of the House of Abraham, it has been a tendency of some Sunni commentators and their anxiety to find some argument for their counting the wives of the Holy Prophet (PBUH&HF) in the terms Ahlul-Bayt. They argue that since Sarah the wife of Abraham is included in the term Ahlul-Bayt mentioned in the above verse, then all the wives of the Prophet (PBUH&HF) are included in the verse 33:33 relating to the purity and the excellence of the Ahlul-Bayt of Prophet Muhammad.
However, these commentators intentionally or otherwise ignore the significance of the address by the Angels. If Sarah, the wife of Abraham, is included in the term Ahlul-Bayt used in the above verse, it is not because she was the wife of Abraham, but because she was going to be the MOTHER of two prophets (Isaac and Jacob). She was mentioned by angles in the above verse as a member of Ahlul-Bayt, AFTER she RECEIVED the glad tiding that she is pregnant of Prophet Isaac (AS).
The matrimonial relation between and a man and a woman is only circumstantial and can be given up at any moment. She could never be a permanent partner to any husband to be included in the heavenly address who are endowed with the unique and heavenly excellence UNLESS she brings a son who becomes a Prophet or an Imam. Thus if we consider Sarah as a member of the House, it would be only because she would be the mother of Isaac, and not being the wife of Abraham. The verses 11:71-73 quoted above show that Sarah was called among Ahlul-Bayt after she got to know that she is having Isaac (AS).

House of Imran (AS)
Likewise, Quran mentions the mother of Moses among the Ahlul-Bayt of Imran. Again, as we can see in the following verses, the emphasis here is the MOTHER of Moses and not the wife of Imran: 28:12 And We ordained that he refuse to seek any foster mother before so she said: Shall I point out to you a household who will take care of him for you, and will be kind to him?
28:13 So We restored him to his mother that she might be comforted and not grieve, and that she might know that the promise of Allah is true. But most of them know not.
The mother of Moses is termed as Ahlul-Bayt, not for being the wife of Imran, but for being the mother of Moses, otherwise the wives who are subject to divorce and being substituted with women better than them (Quran 66:5) can't be considered as Ahlul-Bayt as pointed out by Zaid Ibn Arqam as well. This is illustrated with the wife of Noah and Lot, though they were the wives of such great servants of God, they were not considered Ahlul- Bayt. They perished along with the rest of community.
Let's remember what Zaid Ibn Arqam said: "Ahlul-Bayt (household) of the Prophet are his lineage and his descendants (those who come from his blood) for whom the acceptance of charity (Zakat) is prohibited."
The wife of Imran was in the lineage of the Moses, so was the wife of Abraham who was in the lineage of Isaac and Jacob. Similarly, if Fatimah (AS) is among the Ahlul-Bayt Prophet of Islam, it is because not only she was the daughter of the Prophet (PBUH&HF), but also she was the mother of two Imams.

House of Noah (AS)And Noah Cried unto his Lord and said: "My Lord! Verily my son is of my family; and verily Your promise is true, and You are the most just of the judges." He (Allah) said: "O Noah! Verily he is not of your family; Verily he is (of) conduct other than the righteous; Therefore do not ask what you have no knowledge about; Verily I advice you not to be of the ignorant ones." (Quran 11:45-46) Abul Ala Maududi wrote in his commentary of the above verse that:"If a part of the body of a person becomes rotten and the surgeon decides to cut it off, he will not comply with the request of the patient, who says 'Do not cut because it is a part of my body'. The surgeon will reply, 'It is no longer a part of your body because it is rotten.' Likewise when a righteous father is told that his son is a worthless act, it means to imply that the efforts that you made to bring him up as a good son have gone waste for the work is spoilt and ended in utter failure." Sunni reference:

  • Commentary of Quran by Abul Ala Maududi (published by the Islamic Publications (Pvt) Limited), p367, under verse 11:45-46 Prophet Noah (AS) was pleading for his own son and the reply was that the lad was not worthy of being his son. It is made crystal clear by this verse that though one might be of the same blood and flesh, born through the same parents, but if the issue doesn't possess the good qualities of the parents then he or she is not of his parents' stock (as said in the second verse). Noah had three other sons, Aam, Sam and Yafas who were believers and who with their wives entered the Ark and were saved and Kanan was Noah's son by his OTHER wife who was a disbeliever and perished along with her son. It can be concluded that if any one does not hold the goodness of the correct faith in Allah, be he the son of the Apostle, he is not to be of the stock of his parentage; His very birth through his own parents is denied to him, even the right to be on God's earth is withdrawn from him, and he is to be destroyed. Thus, even one is to be the son of a prophet of Allah, the lack of righteousness gets him disowned from the progeny (Itrat) of the apostolic family. It is for this reason that the term Ahlul-Bayt is restricted to the deserving members of the House of the Prophet and doesn't cover all of those who are born from his blood. Ahlul-Bayt are only the individuals among Prophet's descendants who also had close affinity in character and utmost spiritual attainment with Prophet (PBUH&HF).

Dear brother Sidique- Think and do your research as well.

Re: WHO WAS FAMILY OF PROPHET MOHAMMAD (PBUH).???

healtymind In the least you could have given this link to your ‘research’.

http://www.al-islam.org/encyclopedia/chapter1a/11.html

It is Shia site and do you think that they are ever going to give unbiased stance. And believe me, if had cared to read it you would have found very false arguments put forward.

Re: WHO WAS FAMILY OF PROPHET MOHAMMAD (PBUH).???

Enimity of Ahlay-baith will again bring humilation and defeat, as it happened in 1971 and is forgotten, like animal forgets and again and again go to spot where hunter (india and its films and dance and girls and love wine) is hiding.

Anything related to the family of prophet is questionable and doubtful and any nonsense related to shahaba (excluding few) is OK.

Re: WHO WAS FAMILY OF PROPHET MOHAMMAD (PBUH).???

Wa `alaykum as-Salam wa rahmatullah:

Yes, the Mothers of the Believers are definitely part of the Ahl al- Bayt of the Prophet, upon him and them blessings and peace, as indicated by the sayings of Allah Most High in His Book according to the understanding of the Ulema of Tafsir.

Regarding the primary evidence of the Book of Allah addressing the wives of the Prophet (SAWS) (Sura 33) as “Ahl al-Bayt”:

  1. O Prophet! Say unto THY WIVES: If ye desire the world’s life and its adornment, come! I will content you and will release you with a fair release;

  2. But if ye desire Allah and His messenger and the abode of the Hereafter, then lo! Allah hath prepared for the good among you an immense reward.

  3. O ye WIVES OF THE PROPHET! Whosoever of you committeth manifest lewdness, the punishment for her will be doubled, and that is easy for Allah.

  4. And whosoever of you is submissive unto Allah and His messenger and doeth right, We shall give her reward twice over, and We have prepared for her a rich provision.

  5. O ye WIVES OF THE PROPHET! Ye are not like any other women. If ye Keep your duty (to Allah), then be not soft of speech, lest he in whose heart is a disease aspire (to you), but utter customary speech.

  6. And stay in your [F] houses. Bedizen not yourselves with the Bedizenment of the Time of ignorance. Be regular in prayer, and pay the poor due, and obey Allah and His messenger. Allah’s wish is but to remove uncleanness far from you [M/F], O FOLK OF THE HOUSEHOLD, and cleanse you [M/F] with a thorough cleansing.

  7. And bear in mind that which is recited in your [F] houses of the revelations of Allah and wisdom. Lo! Allah is Subtile, Aware.
    It is clear that a switch from feminine to masculine with reference to The address to Ahl al-Bayt means

It is clear that a switch from feminine to masculine with reference to The address to Ahl al-Bayt means

(1) the grammatical value of Ahl is Masculine and/or

(2) at least one man is included with the feminine group being addressed. The latter group would thus consist in the wives of the Prophet (SAWS) together with the Mantle (Itra): Ali, Fatima, and their Children.

This is confirmed by the majority of the scholars of Qur’anic commentary.

In addition, it includes the zakât-forbidden Muttalibi families of Ali, Aqil, Jafar, and Abbas; while Haqqi in Ruh al-Bayan added Salman al-Farisi according to the explicit hadith “Salmanu minnâ Ahl al-Bayt” as a proof that the freedman is part of a man’s household, while Shaykh Muhyi al-Din Ibn Arabi in his Futuhat (2:126-127) explained Ahl al-Bayt in the Salman hadith as referring to each Muslim that acquires the attributes of his Master i.e. the Prophet (SAWS). The latter sense is confirmed by the narrations stating: "Do not come to me with your lineages on the Day of Resurrection! My Family is every Godwary believer" and "Every Prophet has a Family and carriage; my Family and carriage are the Believer" (âlî wa iddatî al-mu’min).

In conclusion, Ahl al-Bayt has many meanings according to context, and The context of 33:33 is: first the wives of the Prophet (SAWS), then the Wives together with the noble `Itra, and Allah knows best.

Al-Razi, al-Tafsir al-Kabir (6:615): “Allah Most High quit using the feminine pronoun in his address and turned to the masculine by saying {liyudhhiba ankum al-rijsa = to remove uncleanness far from you [masculine plural]}, so as to include both the women of his * house and the men. Explanations have differed concerning the 'Ahl al-Bayt' but the most appropriate and correct is to say they are his children and wives; al-Hasan and al-Husayn being among them and Ali being among them… due to his cohabitation with the daughter of the Prophet (SAWS) and his close companionship with the Prophet (SAWS).”

Al-Baghawi, Maalim al-Tanzil (2:393): "In this verse [Hud 73] there is a proof that wives are part of Ahl al-Bayt. ... (3:428) He means by Ahl al-Bayt [in 33:33] the wives of the Prophet (SAWS) because they are in his house and this is the narration of Said ibn Jubayr from Ibn `Abbas."

Al-Baydawi, Anwar al-Tanzil (4:374): “The Shia's claim that verse 33:33 Is specific to Fatima, Ali, and their two sons - Allah be well-pleased with them - … and their adducing it as proof of their immunity from sin (`ismat) and of the probative character of their consensus, is weak, Because restricting the meaning to them is not consistent with what precedes the verse and what follows it. The thread of speech means that they are part of the Ahl al-Bayt, not that others are not part of it also.”

Al-Khazin, Lubab al-Ta’wil fi Maani al-Tanzil (3:490): "They [Ahl al-Bayt] are the wives of the Prophet (SAWS) because they are in his house." Then he mentions the other two explanations, namely, that they are the Itra or that they are the families of Ali, Aqil, Jafar, and al-Abbas.

Al-Nasafi, Madarik al-Tanzil wa Haqa’iq al-Ta’wil (3:490): “There is in it [verse 33:33] a proof that his wives are part of the Folk of his Household (min ahli baytihi). He said ‘from you [M] (`ankum)’ because what is meant are both the men and women of his family (âl) as indicated by {wa yutahhirakum tathîran = and cleanse you [M/F] with a thorough cleansing} >from the filth of sins.”

Al-Tabari, Tafsir (22:7) [after citing reports explaining Ahl al-Bayt to mean the Itra] and al-Wahidi, Asbab al-Nuzul (p. 299 #734): From Ikrima concerning 33:33: “It is not as they claim, but the verse was revealed concerning the wives of the Prophet (SAWS).”

Al-Zamakhshari, Tafsir al-Kashshaf (2:212): “In this [33:33] there is an explicit proof that the wives of the Prophet - Allah bless and greet him - are among the People of his House (min Ahli Baytihi).”

Al-Shawkani, Fath al-Qadir (4:278-280) and al-Mubarakfuri, Tuhfat al-Ahwadhi (9:48-49): “Ibn Abbas, Ikrima, Ata', al-Kalbi, Muqatil, and Said ibn Jubayr said the wives of the Prophet (SAWS) are specifically meant [in 33:33], and by house are meant the houses of his wives as mentioned before in the verses. While Abu Said al-Khudri, Mujahid, and Qatada - it is also related from al-Kalbi - said that those meant are specifically Ali, Fatima, al-Hasan, and al-Husayn. They adduced the fact that the pronouns are in the masculine, but this was refuted by the fact that the noun Ahl is masculine and therefore necessitates a masculine gender as in the verse [Hud 73]… A third group stands midway between the two and includes both [the wives and the `Itra]… A number of the verifying authorities consider this the most correct explanation, among them al-Qurtubi, Ibn Kathir, and others.”

Al-Jalalayn: “Ahl al-Bayt [in 33:33] i.e. the wives of the Prophet (SAWS).”
Al-Sawi, Hashiyat al-Jalalayn: “It was said the verse [33:33] is comprehensive (`âmma) to mean the People of his House in the sense of his dwelling and these are his wives, and the People of his House in the sense of his lineage and these are his offspring.”

Al-Suyuti, al-Durr al-Manthur (6:603): [after citing the narrations of the Itra] Ibn Sad narrated from Urwa that he said: "Ahl al-Bayt [in 33:33] means the wives of the Prophet (SAWS) and it was revealed in the house of A’isha."

Ibn al-Jawzi, Zad al-Masir fi `Ilm al-Tafsir (6:378): “Then He showed their superiority over all women when He said: {You [feminine] are not like anyone [masculine] of the women} (33:32). Al-Zajjaj [the philologist] said: ‘He did not say, “like any other woman” in the feminine, because the masculine form denotes a general exclusion of both male and female [human beings], one and all.’”

Al-Bukhari, Sahih: Hadith from Anas: The Prophet (SAWS) visited A'isha and, upon entering her house, said: "As-Salâmu alaykum Ahl al-Bayt! wa rahmatullah." Whereupon she responded: "Wa alayka as-Salam wa rahmatullah, how did you find your wives [ahlak]? May Allah bless you." Then he went around to see all of his wives and said to them exactly what he had said to A’isha.

Al-Wahidi, al-Wajiz fi Tafsir al-Kitab al-`Aziz (2:865): “Ahl al-Bayt [in 33:33] meaning, the wives of the Prophet (SAWS) and the men [and women] of the People of his House.”

Al-Tha`alibi, Jawahir al-Hisan fi Tafsir al-Qur’an (2:212): “This verse [Hud 73] shows that the wife of a man is part of the People of his House (min Ahli Baytihi)… and ‘the House’ in Surat al-Ahzab [33:33] refers to the dwelling quarters *.”

Ibn Kathir, Tafsir (3:532) and al-Wahidi, Asbab al-Nuzul (p. 299 #733): From
Ibn `Abbas: “This verse [33:33] was revealed concerning the wives of the Prophet (SAWS).”

Ibn Jamaa, Ghurar al-Tibyan fi Ma lam Yusamma fi al-Qur'an (p. 421 #1201) and al-Suyuti in Mufhamat al-Aqran fi Mubhamat al-Qur'an: "Ahl al-Bayt in verse 33 are the Prophet and his wives. It was also said they are Ali, Fatima, al-Hasan, and al-Husayn, and it was also said they are those for whom sadaqa is unlawful *."

Al-Zarkashi, al-Burhan fi Ulum al-Qur'an (2:197): "The phrasing of the Qur'an [in Surat al-Ahzab] shows that the wives are meant, that the verses were revealed concerning them, and that it is impossible to exclude them from the meaning of the verse. However, since others were to be included with them it was said with the masculine gender: {Allah desires to remove uncleanness far from you [masculine plural], O Folk of the Household}. It is then known that this desire comprises all the Folk of the Household - both male and female - as opposed to His saying {O wives of the Prophet} and it shows that Ali and Fatima are more [specifically] deserving of this description “Ahl al-Bayt”] than the wives."

Al-Jassas, Ahkam al-Qur’an (4:378-379): “It [the verse Hud 73] shows that the wives of the Prophet - Allah bless and greet him - are of the People of his House (min Ahli Baytihi) because the angels names Ibrahim’s wife as being of the People of his House, and so has Allah Most High said when addressing the wives of the Prophet - Alah bless and greet him - when He said:… [33:33]. His wives are part of those meant because the beginning of the address concerns them.”

Abu al-Suud, Irshad al-Aql al-Salim ila Mazaya al-Qur’an al-Karim (7:103):
“This [33:33], as you see, is an explicit verse and a radiant proof that the wives of the Prophet - Allah bless and greet him - are among the People of his House (min Ahli Baytihi), ruling once and for all the invalidity of the opinion of the Shiis who narrow it to mean only Fatima, Ali, and their two sons - Allah be well-pleased with them. As for what they claim as their proof [hadith of the Mantle], it only shows that they [the Four] are part of Ahl al-Bayt, not that other than them are excluded.”

WAllahu a`lam.

**Hajj Gibril *****

Re: WHO WAS FAMILY OF PROPHET MOHAMMAD (PBUH).???

Salamun Alaikum

First of all make it clear that wives are included in Ahl-e-bait-rasool. But there is a great difference in ‘Ahle baite Rasool’ and “Ahl-al-bait”. Ahl-al-Bait is equivalent to “ahl-al-Kaaba” and not to ‘Ahle-bait-e-Nabi’ or ‘Ahle baite Rasool’. That is because Hazrat Salmane Farsi was declared as Ahl-al-bait even he was not even the farthest relatives of RasoolAllah Sawaw but he had that level of spiritual attachment to the Al-Bait (Kaaba) and it is also evident from the text of Hadith which says that Salman is among us the Ahl-al-bait (Salmano minna ahl-al-bait) and it is not said that Salman is among my house hold (salmano min ahle baiti).

Ibne Sadique, in your second reference you have mentioned ayat of sura Al-Hijr in which the phrase “Aal-a Loot” is used. It is unanimously accepted that in “Aal” wives are not included. Your question that if the wife was not included in the Aal then why it was mentioned there that ‘Illa Amratohu’ so it may be because Allah Swt in another ayat of sura Hud (11:81) has mentioned this incidence with the word ‘Ahlika” which surely includes Lut’s wife so Allah Swt has removed the doubt by saying “Illa Amraatoka” . Further, Allah Swt also wants to put stress upon that she was not among those who were saved. Thirdly it maybe just to remove any doubt that merely being the wife of a Messenger or Nabi is not enough for Nijaat. In short you can say that the term Ahl-Al-Bait refers not the physical relationship but the spiritual relationship.

Healthymind, Another very big misunderstanding is about the Hazrat Noh A.S and his son. It was proved from Quran that that guy was not the son of Hazrat Noh alehis salam but he considered him his own son. Allah SWT disclosed this fact in Sura Hud as
[RIGHT][RIGHT]وَنَادَى نُوحٌ رَّبَّهُ فَقَالَ رَبِّ إِنَّ ابُنِي مِنْ أَهْلِي وَإِنَّ وَعْدَكَ الْحَقُّ وَأَنتَ أَحْكَمُ الْحَاكِمِينَ {45}[/RIGHT]
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Shakir 11:45 And Nuh cried out to his Lord and said: My Lord! surely my son is of my family, and Thy promise is surely true, and Thou art the most just of the judges.
Pickthal 11:45 And Noah cried unto his Lord and said: My Lord! Lo! my son is of my household! Surely Thy promise is the truth and Thou are the Most Just of Judges.
[RIGHT][RIGHT]قَالَ يَا نُوحُ إِنَّهُ لَيْسَ مِنْ أَهْلِكَ إِنَّهُ عَمَلٌ غَيْرُ صَالِحٍ فَلاَ تَسْأَلْنِ مَا لَيْسَ لَكَ بِهِ عِلْمٌ إِنِّي أَعِظُكَ أَن تَكُونَ مِنَ الْجَاهِلِينَ {46}[/RIGHT]
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Shakir 11:46 He said: O Nuh! surely he is not of your family; surely he is (the doer of) other than good deeds, therefore ask not of Me that of which you have no knowledge; surely I admonish you lest you may be of the ignorant
Pickthal 11:46 He said: O Noah! Lo! he is not of thy household; lo! he is of evil conduct, so ask not of Me that whereof thou hast no knowledge. I admonish thee lest thou be among the ignorant.

Translators here could not understand that Allah SWT is not telling here that he (son) was the doer of evil conduct but Allah SWT is disclosing to Noh A.S that he (son) himself is a product of evil conduct of his wife. And this fact is further elaborated in Sura Tehreem
ضَرَبَ اللَّهُ مَثَلًا لِّلَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا اِمْرَأَةَ نُوحٍ وَاِمْرَأَةَ لُوطٍ كَانَتَا تَحْتَ عَبْدَيْنِ مِنْ عِبَادِنَا صَالِحَيْنِ فَخَانَتَاهُمَا فَلَمْ يُغْنِيَا عَنْهُمَا مِنَ اللَّهِ شَيْئًا وَقِيلَ ادْخُلَا النَّارَ مَعَ الدَّاخِلِينَ {10}
Shakir 66:10 Allah sets forth an example to those who disbelieve the wife of Nuh and the wife of Lut: they were both under two of Our righteous servants, but they acted treacherously towards them so they availed them naught against Allah, and it was said: Enter both the fire with those who enter.
Yusufali 66:10 Allah sets forth, for an example to the Unbelievers, the wife of Noah and the wife of Lut: they were (respectively) under two of our righteous servants, but they were false to their (husbands), and they profited nothing before Allah on their account, but were told: "Enter ye the Fire along with (others) that enter!"

That is why Hazrat Noh A.S seeks refuge and forgiveness from Allah SWT as
[RIGHT][RIGHT]قَالَ رَبِّ إِنِّي أَعُوذُ بِكَ أَنْ أَسْأَلَكَ مَا لَيْسَ لِي بِهِ عِلْمٌ وَإِلاَّ تَغْفِرْ لِي وَتَرْحَمْنِي أَكُن مِّنَ الْخَاسِرِينَ {47}[/RIGHT]
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Shakir 11:47 He said: My Lord! I seek refuge in Thee from asking Thee that of which I have no knowledge; and if Thou shouldst not forgive me and have mercy on me, I should be of the losers.
Pickthal 11:47 He said: My Lord! Lo! in Thee do I seek refuge (from the sin) that I should ask of Thee that whereof I have no knowledge. Unless Thou forgive me and have mercy on me I shall be among the lost.

I hope the above may help in resolving the issue.

Iltemase dua

Re: WHO WAS FAMILY OF PROPHET MOHAMMAD (PBUH).???

DanishJu Not only these but all translators have understood the the Quran on the same wave-length.

It seems that you are claiming to have understood the Quran, especially these ayahs better them
and all other translators and commentators of the Quran!!!! I have never heard what you have stated.

Is this your own research, speculation would be more appropriate?

Can you back up what you are claiming to some authentic source of some prominent Scholars of times gone by.

Re: WHO WAS FAMILY OF PROPHET MOHAMMAD (PBUH).???

Salamun Alaikum

I already have accepted that all the translators to whom I have consulted so far have the same understanding accept one some 70 years old of Molana Masoom Raza of UP India whose un published translation I have referred and he has translated this ayat with these meanings, and in his commentary he has discussed the matter in detail. So I cannot give you any reference for opinion of renowned scholars. But even then I think it is a matter of Arabic grammar and can be understood easily. But you have to make yourself free from your pre-conceived believes. Try to analyze the wordings of the ayat, it says ya Noh innahu lesa min ahlika, Innahu amalun ghera saleh. It means that O Noh! surely he is not of your household, he is of wrong act. In urdu you can say that Aiy Nooh ye tere ahl main say nahin hai, ye aik amale-bud hai. So if Allah Swt wants to say that he was a wrong doer then the wordings of the ayat would have been like “Inna amalohu (more appropriately Aamaalohu) ghera saleh. Then it may give the same meaning as have been understood. * This translation is further confirmed from the rest of the ayat which says “so ask not of Me that whereof thou hast no knowledge*”. So do you think that hazrat Nooh A,.S was not aware of wrong doings of that guy. It was only this information which was new to him until then he considered him his own son.

Further as I have referred Ayat # 10 of Al-Ahzab which says:

[RIGHT][RIGHT]ضَرَبَ اللَّهُ مَثَلًا لِّلَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا اِمْرَأَةَ نُوحٍ وَاِمْرَأَةَ لُوطٍ كَانَتَا تَحْتَ عَبْدَيْنِ مِنْ عِبَادِنَا صَالِحَيْنِ فَخَانَتَاهُمَا فَلَمْ يُغْنِيَا عَنْهُمَا مِنَ اللَّهِ شَيْئًا وَقِيلَ ادْخُلَا النَّارَ مَعَ الدَّاخِلِينَ {10}[/RIGHT]
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Transliteration of the relevant phrase is “kanata tahta abdaine min ibadina fakhanatahuma” which means both were under two of our righteous servants and both cheated their husbands
And I don’t think that it is difficult to understand what the *khayanat of a *wife to his husband means for.

Iltemase Dua

Re: WHO WAS FAMILY OF PROPHET MOHAMMAD (PBUH).???

Salaams *DanishJu * - I think we are getting somewhere now. I thank you for at least acknowledging that:

So you have tacitly agreed that wives are part of family of the Prophet (saw). Alhamdulilah!

But you have claimed that Alhlul Bayt in Quran actually refers to “ahl-al-Kaaba”.
Where did you get this from? I have never heard this said by anybody before.
You should know that Quran and the Prophet (saw) always have used very precise language and have left anything ambiguous and I am sure you concur with me on this.

Ka’aba is called House of Allah and in Arabic it would be Bait Allah.
If, what you say is true, which it definitely is not by any imagination, the term would be Ahlul Bait Allah.

So, your new theory is debunked as it should be.

Hz. Salman Farsi (ra), Hz. Bilal Habshi (ra) and others where included in Ahlul Bait by the Prophet (saw) as honorary members just brother khanbabax has stated:

Brother DanishJu – I had asked you:

And your response was:

So you are relying on some obscure Molana whose views are at variant to all known translators just because his views somehow measure up to your desires.

Re: WHO WAS FAMILY OF PROPHET MOHAMMAD (PBUH).???

The renowned Tafsir by very prominent Scholar Ibn Kathir (ra) has made is very clear that wives are part and parcel of Prophet’s family.

**The Wives of the Prophet are Members of His Household (Ahl Al-Bayt) **
إِنَّمَا يُرِيدُ اللَّهُ لِيُذْهِبَ عَنكُـمُ الرِّجْسَ أَهْلَ الْبَيْتِ وَيُطَهِّرَكُمْ تَطْهِيــراً]
(Allah wishes only to remove Ar-Rijs from you, O members of the family, and to purify you with a thorough purification.) This is a clear statement that the wives of the Prophet are included among the members of his family (Ahl Al-Bayt) here, because they are the reason why this Ayah was revealed, and the scholars are unanimously agreed that they were the reason for revelation in this case, whether this was the only reason for revelation or there was also another reason, which is the correct view.

Ibn Jarir recorded that Ikrimah used to call out in the marketplace: إِنَّمَا يُرِيدُ اللَّهُ لِيُذْهِبَ عَنكُـمُ الرِّجْسَ أَهْلَ الْبَيْتِ وَيُطَهِّرَكُمْ تَطْهِيــراً] (Allah wishes only to remove Ar-Rijs from you, O members of the family, and to purify you with a thorough purification.) "This was revealed solely concerning the wives of the Prophet.'' Ibn Abi Hatim recorded that Ibn Abbas said concerning the Ayah:
إِنَّمَا يُرِيدُ اللَّهُ لِيُذْهِبَ عَنكُـمُ الرِّجْسَ أَهْلَ الْبَيْتِ]
(Allah wishes only to remove Ar-Rijs from you, O members of the family,) "It was revealed solely concerning the wives of the Prophet .‘’

`Ikrimah said: "Whoever disagrees with me that it was revealed solely concerning the wives of the Prophet , I am prepared to meet with him and pray and invoke the curse of Allah upon those who are lying.‘’

So they alone were the reason for revelation, but others may be included by way of generalization.

Ibn Jarir narrated that Safiyyah bint Shaybah said: "A'ishah, may Allah be pleased with her, said, The Prophet went out one morning wearing a striped cloak of black camel’s hair. Al-Hasan, may Allah be pleased with him, came and he wrapped him in the cloak with him. Then Al-Husayn, may Allah be pleased with him, came and he wrapped him in the cloak with him. Then Fatimah, may Allah be pleased with her, came and he wrapped her in the cloak with him. Then `Ali, may Allah be pleased with him, came and he wrapped him in the cloak with him, then he said:
إِنَّمَا يُرِيدُ اللَّهُ لِيُذْهِبَ عَنكُـمُ الرِّجْسَ أَهْلَ الْبَيْتِ وَيُطَهِّرَكُمْ تَطْهِيــراً]

(Allah wishes only to remove Ar-Rijs from you, O members of the family, and to purify you with a thorough purification.) This was recorded by Muslim.

In his Sahih, Muslim recorded that Yazid bin Hayyan said: "Husayn bin Sabrah, Umar bin Muslim and I went to Zayd bin Arqam, may Allah be pleased with him, and when we had sat down with him, Husayn said: You are so fortunate, O Zayd! You saw the Messenger of Allah and heard his speeches, and you went on military campaigns with him, and you prayed behind him. You are so fortunate, O Zayd! Tell us what you heard from the Messenger of Allah .’ He said, O son of my brother, by Allah, I have grown old and it has been a long time, and I have forgotten some of the things that I used to know from the Messenger of Allah . Whatever I tell you, accept it, and whatever I do not tell you, do not worry about it.' Then he said, One day, the Messenger of Allah stood up to address us by the well of Khumm, between Makkah and Al-Madinah, and he praised Allah and thanked Him, and he preached and reminded us. Then he said:
«أَمَّا بَعْدُ، أَلَا أَيُّهَا النَّاسُ فَإِنَّمَا أَنَا بَشَرٌ يُوشِكُ أَنْ يَأْتِيَنِي رَسُولُ رَبِّي فَأُجِيبَ، وَأَنَا تَارِكٌ فِيكُمْ ثَقَلَيْنِ: أَوَّلُهُمَا كِتَابُ اللهِ تَعَالَى، فِيهِ الْهُدَى وَالنُّورُ فَخُذُوا بِكِتَابِ اللهِ وَاسْتَمْسِكُوا بِه»
(Thereafter! O people, I am merely a human being and soon the messenger of my Lord will come and I will answer him. I am leaving behind two things with you, the first of which is the Book of Allah in which is guidance and light, so seize the Book of Allah and hold fast to it.) He urged them to cling to the Book of Allah, then he said:
«وَأَهْلُ بَيْتِي أُذَكِّرُكُمُ اللهَ فِي أَهْلِ بَيْتِي، أُذَكِّرُكُمُ اللهَ فِي أَهْلِ بَيْتِي»
(And the members of my family (Ahl Al-Bayt): Remember Allah with regard to the members of my family, remember Allah with regard to the members of my family.) saying it three times.’

Husayn said to him, `Who are the members of his family (Ahl Al-Bayt), O Zayd Are not his wives members of his family’

He said, His wives are members of his family, but the members of his family are those who are not permitted to receive charity after he died.' He said, Who are they’
He said, They are the family of Ali, the family of Aqil, the family of Jafar and the family of Abbas, may Allah be pleased with them.' He said, Were all of these forbidden to receive charity after his death’
He said, `Yes.‘’’

This Commentary is from Zayd bin Arqam and is not Marfu`

http://www.tafsir.com/default.asp?sid=33&tid=41607

Re: WHO WAS FAMILY OF PROPHET MOHAMMAD (PBUH).???

Brother I have not tacitly agreed but since inception I unambiguously of the opinion that wives are part of ones family

Whatever I have submitted, I have given you the references from Quraan. If this is what you have never heard about earlier it doesn’t prove my statement wrong.

Definitely this is what I strongly believe in letter and spirit.

I invite you to give me just one example from Quraan and/or Hadith in which the term “Bait Allah” is used. Even the Arabic grammar does not permit to use this term. So you cannot give any example from whole the Arabic literature where this term is used.

So when the term Bait Allah itself is not correct then how you can find “Ahlul Bait Allah”. Take your time and make your research start.

Offended… I consider.

One more thing which you may have never heard or think about is that that discrimination on the basis of racism is a separate thing and it is for the people that they have no right to discriminate on the basis of caste and creed but if Allah Swt has given someone preferential rights or chosen someone for any of his blessings, do we have the right to raise any objection upon? Quraan is full of evidences that Allah has not only chosen, preferred, bestowed upon, blessed and inherited the clan of his messengers but it may not be wrong to say that whatever the properties, (tangible or intangible) preferences and darajaat Allah has awarded to his messengers all have been given, conveyed, transferred, inherited, succeeded by their progeny, clan and offspring. Again I emphasize, either there is physical and material inheritance or spiritual inheritance. And if it is difficult for you to understand, than just look into the following ayats which are self explanatory.
In Sura Al-Anaam…

[RIGHT][RIGHT]وَتِلْكَ حُجَّتُنَا آتَيْنَاهَا إِبْرَاهِيمَ عَلَى قَوْمِهِ نَرْفَعُ دَرَجَاتٍ مَّن نَّشَاء إِنَّ رَبَّكَ حَكِيمٌ عَلِيمٌ {83}[/RIGHT]
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Shakir 6:83 And this was Our argument which we gave to Ibrahim against his people; We exalt in dignity whom We please; surely your Lord is Wise, Knowing.

وَوَهَبْنَا لَهُ إِسْحَاقَ وَيَعْقُوبَ كُلاًّ هَدَيْنَا وَنُوحًا هَدَيْنَا مِن قَبْلُ وَمِن ذُرِّيَّتِهِ دَاوُودَ وَسُلَيْمَانَ وَأَيُّوبَ وَيُوسُفَ وَمُوسَى وَهَارُونَ وَكَذَلِكَ نَجْزِي الْمُحْسِنِينَ {84}

And We gave to him Ishaq and Yaqoub; each did We guide, and Nuh did We guide before, and of his descendants, Dawood and Sulaiman and Ayub and Yusuf and Haroun; and thus do We reward those who do good (to others).
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[RIGHT][RIGHT]وَزَكَرِيَّا وَيَحْيَى وَعِيسَى وَإِلْيَاسَ كُلٌّ مِّنَ الصَّالِحِينَ {85}[/RIGHT]
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And Zakariya and Yahya and Isa and Ilyas; every one was of the good;

[RIGHT][RIGHT]وَإِسْمَاعِيلَ وَالْيَسَعَ وَيُونُسَ وَلُوطًا وَكُلاًّ فضَّلْنَا عَلَى الْعَالَمِينَ {86}[/RIGHT]
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And Ismail and Al-Yasha and Yunus and Lut; and every one We made to excel (in) the worlds:

[RIGHT][RIGHT]وَمِنْ آبَائِهِمْ وَذُرِّيَّاتِهِمْ وَإِخْوَانِهِمْ وَاجْتَبَيْنَاهُمْ وَهَدَيْنَاهُمْ إِلَى صِرَاطٍ مُّسْتَقِيمٍ {87}

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And from among their fathers and their descendants and their brethren, and We chose them and guided them into the right way.

[RIGHT][RIGHT]ذَلِكَ هُدَى اللّهِ يَهْدِي بِهِ مَن يَشَاء مِنْ عِبَادِهِ وَلَوْ أَشْرَكُواْ لَحَبِطَ عَنْهُم مَّا كَانُواْ يَعْمَلُونَ {88}

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This is Allah's guidance, He guides thereby whom He pleases of His servants; and if they had set up others (with Him), certainly what they did would have become ineffectual for them.

[RIGHT][RIGHT]أُوْلَـئِكَ الَّذِينَ آتَيْنَاهُمُ الْكِتَابَ وَالْحُكْمَ وَالنُّبُوَّةَ فَإِن يَكْفُرْ بِهَا هَـؤُلاء فَقَدْ وَكَّلْنَا بِهَا قَوْمًا لَّيْسُواْ بِهَا بِكَافِرِينَ {89}[/RIGHT]
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These are they to whom We gave the book and the wisdom and the prophecy; therefore if these disbelieve in it We have already entrusted with it a people who are not disbelievers in it.

In Sura Ale Imran Allah Swt says:

[RIGHT]إِنَّ اللّهَ اصْطَفَى آدَمَ وَنُوحًا وَآلَ إِبْرَاهِيمَ وَآلَ عِمْرَانَ عَلَى الْعَالَمِينَ {33}[/RIGHT]
[RIGHT]ذُرِّيَّةً بَعْضُهَا مِن بَعْضٍ وَاللّهُ سَمِيعٌ عَلِيمٌ {34}[/RIGHT]

Surely Allah chose Adam and Nuh and the descendants of Ibrahim and the descendants of Imran above the nations.

Offspring one of the other; and Allah is Hearing, Knowing.

In Sura Maryam..

[RIGHT][RIGHT]ذِكْرُ رَحْمَةِ رَبِّكَ عَبْدَهُ زَكَرِيَّا {2}[/RIGHT]
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A mention of the mercy of your Lord to His servant Zakariya.

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[RIGHT]إِذْ نَادَى رَبَّهُ نِدَاء خَفِيًّا {3}[/RIGHT]

When he called upon his Lord in a low voice,

[RIGHT]قَالَ رَبِّ إِنِّي وَهَنَ الْعَظْمُ مِنِّي وَاشْتَعَلَ الرَّأْسُ شَيْبًا وَلَمْ أَكُن [/RIGHT]

[RIGHT]بِدُعَائِكَ رَبِّ شَقِيًّا {4}

He said: My Lord! surely my bones are weakened and my head flares with hoariness, and, my Lord! I have never been unsuccessful in my prayer to Thee:

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[RIGHT]وَإِنِّي خِفْتُ الْمَوَالِيَ مِن وَرَائِي وَكَانَتِ امْرَأَتِي عَاقِرًا فَهَبْ لِي مِن لَّدُنكَ وَلِيًّا {5}

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And surely I fear my cousins after me, and my wife is barren, therefore grant me from Thyself an heir,

[RIGHT]يَرِثُنِي وَيَرِثُ مِنْ آلِ يَعْقُوبَ وَاجْعَلْهُ رَبِّ رَضِيًّا {6}

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Who should inherit me and inherit from the children of Yaqoub, and make him, my Lord, one in whom Thou art well pleased.

[RIGHT]يَا زَكَرِيَّا إِنَّا نُبَشِّرُكَ بِغُلَامٍ اسْمُهُ يَحْيَى لَمْ نَجْعَل لَّهُ مِن قَبْلُ سَمِيًّا {7}[/RIGHT]

O Zakariya! surely We give you good news of a boy whose name shall be Yahya: We have not made before anyone his equal.

And there is a lot of references I can give you where Allah Swt has clearly mentioned that whatever left by his messengers either in material properties or spirituals gifts and blessings, all have to be transferred to his clan, Aal, or Zurriat. And all this has not happened hap-hazardly but Allah Swt has planned for it and not only planned but make it for sure, for example Hazrat Ibrahim and his wife Sarah and Hazrat Zakariah and his wife Elishiba (Elizibith) had reached the age when they were not be able to bear child but Allah Swt miraculously make them fit to bear child and for Hazrat Moosa he make the arrangement in Firaon's castle that his own mother breast fed him Allah Swt declared that

[RIGHT]وَحَرَّمْنَا عَلَيْهِ الْمَرَاضِعَ مِن قَبْلُ فَقَالَتْ هَلْ أَدُلُّكُمْ عَلَى أَهْلِ بَيْتٍ يَكْفُلُونَهُ لَكُمْ وَهُمْ لَهُ نَاصِحُونَ {12}[/RIGHT]

Shakir: And We ordained that he refused to suck any foster mother before, so she said: Shall I point out to you the people of a house who will take care of him for you, and they will be benevolent to him?

*Pikthal: And We had before forbidden foster-mothers for him, so she said: Shall I show you a household who will rear him for you and take care of him?

  • Now again go to the Ayat # 87 of Sura Al-Anaam and you will find that Allah Swt not only choose his prophets among the offspring but he also choose their fathers, brothers and also Zurriat for his blessings so none of them can be of wrong doers and kafir and mushrik. And Allah Swt chose and guide them for Sirate Mustaqeem.

[RIGHT][RIGHT]وَمِنْ آبَائِهِمْ وَذُرِّيَّاتِهِمْ وَإِخْوَانِهِمْ وَاجْتَبَيْنَاهُمْ وَهَدَيْنَاهُمْ إِلَى صِرَاطٍ مُّسْتَقِيمٍ {87}[/RIGHT]
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Shakir: And from among their fathers and their descendants and their brethren, and We chose them and guided them into the right way.

And now compare the attitude of Muslims with their most beloved Prophet for whom they consider that neither his fathers and grand fathers were on right path, nor his offspring or Aal has got his inheritance. He was so miskeen (Maz-Allah) that he was breast fed by a mushrika Charwahan foster mother even though his own mother A.S. was live and healthy to fed. And Allah Swt who is declaring him and his clan to keep pure from all uncleanliness but could not planned for it and failed to do so (Maaz-allah,Astaghfirullah) And even then RasoolAllah Sawaw is called Fakhre Moosa.

Absolutely nonsensical comment, in my opinion it has no value who is telling something but weight has to be given on what has been said. Whatever I have written is backed by Quraanic Ayats and logics. If you urge to negate it, put your logical reply but don’t pass absurd comments, please.

In short we can say that Allah Swt has given preferences and awards to the Aal and zurriat and not to Ahl. And it is un-disputable to say that Aal and Zuriat do not include the wives.

And that is why Khanbabax like people force to say that Hadith cab abrogate or supersede the Quraan, Whereas Allah Swt describes the Quraan as Quraan-nil-Hakeem which in fact means the Quraan-e-mohkam. None of the ayat of Quraan can be abrogated. Even the Huroof-e-muqatteaats have definite meanings. It is a saperate thing that you have not given the knowledge of the same, but those who have been termed as Rasikhoon-a-fil-ilm definitely know each and every detail about Quraan.

Iltemase Dua

Re: WHO WAS FAMILY OF PROPHET MOHAMMAD (PBUH).???

Salaams brother DanishJu

I think I have said enough on this thread. So this is going to be my last post in this thread. You have done your best with your point of view along with your references and I think I tried to do the same.

Let the viewers be the judge.

But before I move off let me state the following as a parting shot.

To my following statement:

You had said the following:

DanishJu Please be reasonable and show me where I have stated the term “Ahlul Bait Allah” is from the Quran or the hadith.

I was merely commenting on what you claimed that the term Ahlul Bait in the Quran actually means:

The initiator of this thread had asked:

The following hadith will do for me along with what others had posted. (Sharing same point of view with me)

And the following comments from you will do too.

I think I have said enough in this thread.

Re: WHO WAS FAMILY OF PROPHET MOHAMMAD (PBUH).???

Salamun Alaikum

** Dear Ibne Sadique**, thank you for participating in discussion. I assure you that I do not intend to impose upon anyone to accept my point of view but I simply invite people to think over it. If your own conscious convinces upon it than accept otherwise you have the undisputable right to differ. I further clarify that it was not a matter of winning or loosing but I consider it as academic discussion and it definitely helps in getting better understanding and gaining knowledge.

I again thank you for your polite and gentle attitude and appreciate your logical approach for analyzing the subject matter. You decided to quit the thread, ok you are free but it doesn’t mean that you should stop thinking on it. I emphatically request you to keep thinking on it and any thing you feel you can add to the subject, you are always welcome.

Whatever I wrote on the subject had nothing personal, even then if any of my comment may have hurt you or you felt offended, I apologize for that.

Iltemase Dua

Re: WHO WAS FAMILY OF PROPHET MOHAMMAD (PBUH).???

Thank you very much dear Danish you comments are mind blowing and true. In this forum i never been satisfied by the Ibne Sadique and similar on, because they are confused and trying to cover SUN by hand which is not possible, ALLAH HAM SAK HIDAYAT DE".

"Truth has arrived, and falsehood has perished: for falsehood is ever bound to perish"

Re: WHO WAS FAMILY OF PROPHET MOHAMMAD (PBUH).???

Salam!

With respect to All! Answer to few questions indirect and direct...

1) is the usage of plural for a singular is allowed in certian cases?
example from life:
may wahaa gayaa ( gareeb admi jaisay kay may) , hum wahaa gaye ( koiee leader, sardar, ....)
example from quran:
Hum (Allaha swt is single) is quran kee hifazat.........
(Lo! We, even We, reveal the Reminder, and lo! We verily are its Guardian)

thus women not woman for bibi.
Change the angle to look at the ayaa.......... Allah said women to show the generality and then prophet chose only one to show that she is the one

2) can cleaned/pious one can be cleaned?
Sunni brothers claim that there is verse in quran in honor of Hz. Abu bakar regarding raza ......... tafseer..... that Jibraeel (as) came to prophet and asked him to ask abu bakar that " allah is razii with him and allaha is asking that wether he is razzi too'"..............
Conclusions;
a) allah did not know about razaa of Hz. Abu bakar but needs to inquire
b) Allah gets razii with the one in disccussion with out him being razi, while the

first step to Allah's razaa is being razii in all condition
c) ...........

3) I am confused , please explain the difference b/w our self and ourselves.
Thanks for explanation in advance.

4) We are looking at ayaa in a very grametical and scientifc way and so on but then replace cousin and son in law for sons. we are coutious about singular, plural, grammmer and so on and then with our own choice replace sons with son in law........

take care and AH

Re: WHO WAS FAMILY OF PROPHET MOHAMMAD (PBUH).???

S.A.

Can somebody wrap it up for me, a new participant? It looks interesting but confusing too.

Thanx