Who the heck is Abbas Kumaili?

[ravage]

*Originally posted by rehman1: *
Why can’t you QUOTE Imam Zainul Abideen or Imam Jaafar Sadiq.
Or are you unaware of their teachings.

Commonly referred to as tabarra, the “cursing” of sahaba is supposed to be an expression of love for the ahlul bayt and condemnation for those who wronged them.

Heres the opinion of one Shia scholar with injunctions from Imam Baqir with which I entirely agree.

Question:

In what ways can one express love for the Ahlul Bayt (as) and remain
aloof from their enemies (Tawalla and Tabarra)? Are there certain
guidelines in this regard?

ANSWER:

Thank you very much for asking this important question.

It is incumbent upon us to base our opinion not on emotion but on reason and to be guided in formulating the opinion by the Holy Qur’an and the traditions of the Holy Ma’sumeen.

The Ayat-e-Muwadda in the Holy Qur’an clearly places an obligation upon
all muslims to love the ahlul bayt. In Sura-tul-Shuraa (XLII), Allah
(SWT) commands the Holy Prophet (SAWA) to deliver a certain message to the
mankind. In ayah 23 He says:

“Say (O Muhammad): I ask you of no reward except the muwaddah (love) of my
near relatives. Whosoever earns good, We give him more of good therein.
Surely Allah is forgiving, grateful.”

In “Suratul-Sabaa” (XXXIV) Ayah 47, Allah commands the Holy Prophet as
follows:

“Say: Whatever reward I might have asked of you is for your good. My
reward is the affair of Allah only.”

Love for the Ahlul Bayt (A.S.) thus becomes mandatory for all Muslims as
the reward to the Holy Prophet for having given us the message of Allah.
Without such love, the faith of a Muslim would be like having taken the
benefit of a service without having paid (ajr) remuneration for it.

The question which arises here is: What is this “love” that we are
commanded to show to Ahlul Bayt ?

It is reported in Al Kafi (Volume 2, page 74, Hadith No. 3) that Imam
Muhammad Baqir (AS) addressing Jabir said:

"O Jabir, do you think that it is enough for anyone just to claim by his
tongue that he loves Ahlul Bayt? Does he, by such a claim, become our
Shiah? Jabir, I swear by the Almighty that until a person fears Allah and
obeys Him, he cannot claim to be our Shiah. He must have humility, be
just, fulfill his promises, engage as much as possible in the remembrance
of Allah, fulfill his obligations of salah and fasting, show affection and
sympathy and obedience to his parents, assist and be kind to his
neighbours, the poor, those in debt as well as show sympathy and affection
to the orphans. He must always be truthful. He should read and study
Qur’an. There must never be any malice in his heart. Without these
qualities, he can not qualify to claim that he loves us or is our Shiah.
O Jabir, it is not enough for any person only to say by word of mouth that
he loves Hadhrat Ali and the Ahlul Bayt. He must follow the ‘seerah’ (way
of life) of the Holy Prophet and the Ahlul Bayt and act according to the
sunnah established by them. If he does not, then his claim of love for
Ahlul Bayt can never benefit him.

O Jabir, without ‘ita’ah’ (obedience and submission), nobody can attain
proximity to Allah. We do not like them to claim to be our friends if
they do not fulfil all the conditions. A sinful person is our enemy.
Without good deeds and abstinence from sins, any claim of friendship to us
is of no avail."

The same considerations as above would apply to the doctrine of tabarra.
Tabarra is based on the Qur’anic precept that believers should
disassociate themselves from the evil doers. One who does tawalla will by
virtue of it disassociate himself from the evil doers. Both tawalla and
tabarra have to be reflected in the way of life as obedience of the Holy
Prophet and his Ahlul Bayt. Repeated utterances of expressions of love or
hate do not constitute tawalla or tabarra unless such repeated utterances
are intended as declaration of commitment.

A mere claim that we hate the enemies of Ahlul Bayt is not enough. There
must be a complete disassociation with their ‘seerah’. One cannot fulfil
the conditions of tabarra only by repeated curses if one’s life is
according to their seerah. The curses we utter must be regarded as solemn
pledge by us never to enter into their ita’ah and commit the sins which
they did.

We cannot escape the above obligation by the excuse that we do not hurt
the Ahlul Bayt by our sins not directed against Ahlul Bayt. In the light
of the above hadith of our fifth Imam, if our life is not in accordance
with the tenets of Islam as reiterated by the Holy Imam we do hurt the
Ahlul Bayt by insulting the great sacrifices they made to preserve those
tenets for us.

(For those who have the Gujerati or the Urdu version of the Taudhihul
Masaail of Ayatullah Khui (R.A.) they will be able to refer to the above
Hadith towards the beginning. It is, in the Urdu version, under the
sub-title “Ilme Deen ki Ahmiyyat” at pp 40-41)

If there is any supplementary question kindly submit it to the Alim
Network.

With salaams and du’aas from a humble servant of Ahlul Bayt and their
followers, and with a request to be remembered by you in your prayers,

Bashir Rahim

http://www.al-islam.org/organizations/aalimnetwork/msg00369.html

[PakistaniAbroad]

oh forget it..

[ravage]

Quranic basis for tabarra:

“Those who hide the proof and guidance which we revealed, after We made it clear in the Book. Such are accursed by Allah and accursed of those who have the power to curse”. (2: 159)

the follow up argument is non sequitur. to my eyes the two ayat seem unrelated with regards to logical outcome.

[PakistaniAbroad]

what says it's about whom? where's the context?

[2:161] Surely those who disbelieve and die while they are disbelievers, these it is on whom is the curse of Allah and the angels and men all;

[ravage]

was about to edit my post to add that this is the basis given by people who favour the more vocal expression of enmity towards those who hate the ahl-e-bayt.

i personally, as stated before, favour the former interpretation where the love of the prophet and his family is reflected in one's actions not one's words. likewise, enmity towards those who wronged them can be expressed in disassociating with their actions.

[inuit]

[QUOTE]
*Originally posted by rehman1: *
I just asked you about the teachings of Imam Zainulabideen and
Imam Jaffar Sadiq. Yes, i respect them.

Did their books taught you to CURSE Companions(RA).

[/QUOTE]
Healthy discussion is only possible when one read literature of the opponent side and gives reference in his favor from that literature.

It is a defined rule and in practice since beginning, Ullema and Scholars always give references from the each other’s books. There is no doubt in it. It is pre-defined.

I am wondering "What is the relationship of Waseela and Cursing."

Jumping from on topic to another clearly shows that the opponent has nothing to say on it and wants the other person to talk on new topic. He also wants people to realize that nothing is happened.

For your kind information; the thing you are considering. That is Tabara which is not Curse. Tabara is displeasure, Disagreeableness “Naa khushi” and Curse means “Kosna” (in urdu).

Let’s talk a little abut Respect, Love and Obedience.

Respect
If we truly have respect, it is inevitable that we treat them with courtesy and equanimity. It is when we do not have respect that we become angry with them, that we disparage them, that we find no value in what they say, and that we engage in destructive action.

Love
Love grows out of respect. In fact, the two go hand in hand. People are very apt to express a sentimental love for another, yet they will show that same person much disrespect. With true love, this cannot be. We must love our parents, who are our first and most important teachers. Our love for them can grow out of a real respect and appreciation for the sacrifice and suffering they have endured for our comfort. We can then give love to our families in the same way that it was given to us.

The Messengers of God propagate Allah's Word in order to please the Almighty, and the motto of the final Messenger of God, Muhammad (p.b.u.h.), was commanded by the Qur'an in Surah Al-Shoora, Surah 42, Ayah 23:
**" Declare [O' Muhammad]: "I ask you of no recompense for my toil except the love for my kin (family)." Whose earns good, We shall expand it for him. Verily Allah is oft-forgiving, appreciates good works".

Obedience**
Obedience is the final pillar in the foundation. Obedience goes with commitment. Obedience means obeying one's parents. No matter how old we are, we are still our parents' children. We should also be obedient to the laws of our community and society. There can be no duality in this regard. The highest obedience is to the moral and spiritual principles of our conscience, to which our parents have contributed much.

We read in Surah al Hadeed “Oh you who believe fear Allah and believe in his Prophet”. The words “oh you who believe” illustrate that Allah is addressing the Muslims and in particular addressing the Companions of the Prophet during the time of the verse’s revelation.

Obedience to the Prophet is unconditional in all circumstances. The Qur’an makes clear that obedience to Allah (swt) can only occur if one obeys the Prophet (saaws) unconditionally.

**Surah Aal-e-Imran verse 31 “Obey Allah and the Prophet but if they turn back, then verily Allah does not love the disbeliveers”

Surah Anfal verse 20 “Obey Allah and his Prophet and don’t turn away when you hear him”

Surah Anfal verse 46 “Obey Allah and his Prophet and do not quarrel”

Surah Hashr verse 7 “Whatever the Prophet gives you take it, whatever he prevents you from doing refrain from it”**

Holy Prophet said , Ya Ammar be sure that obedience to Ali is my obedience and my obedience is the obedience of God.

There are numerous collections of traditions which all recorded the following authentic traditions from the Holy Prophet Mohammad (s).

• "There will be twelve commanders (Amir)" ... "All of them will be from Quraish."
• "The matter (life) will not end, until it is passed by twelve Caliphs" ... "All of them will be from Quraish."
• "The affairs of people will continue to be conducted (well) as long as they are governed by the twelve men."
• "Islam will continue to be triumphant until there have been twelve Caliphs."
• "The Islamic religion will continue until the Hour (day of resurrection), having twelve Caliphs for you, all of them will be from Quraish."
• "There shall be twelve Caliphs for this community, all of them from Quraish."
• "Twelve Caliphs, (like) the number of the Chiefs of Bani Israel."
• "There will be after me twelve Amir (Prince/Ruler), all of them from Quraysh."
• "This religion remains standing until there are twelve vicegerents over you, all of them agreeable to the nation, all of them from Quraysh."
• "Islam will continue to be triumphant until there have been twelve Caliphs" ... "All of them are from Quraysh."
• "This nation will always remain straight in its affairs, and triumphant against the enemies, till twelve Caliphs will be among them; all of them from Quraysh. Then there will be discord and confusion."
• "There will be twelve upright Imams for this nation. Those who try to disgrace them will not succeed; all of them shall be from the Quraysh."
• "The affair of the people will continue as long as twelve men rule over them."
• "This religion will remain till twelve Imams from Quraysh (will pass), then when they expire the earth will swallow its inhabitants."
• "The affair of this nation will always be apparent till the twelve Imams will rise, all of them from the Quraysh."
• "There will be Caliphs after me, whose number is like those of the companions of Musa."

Simply respect for these imams(AS) is not enough, you have to love them and obey them after the Holy Prophet(PBUH)

[bao_bihari]

*Originally posted by inuit: *

For your kind information; the thing you are considering. That is Tabara which is not Curse. Tabara is displeasure, Disagreeableness “Naa khushi” and Curse means “Kosna” (in urdu).

Let’s talk a little abut Respect, Love and Obedience.

The Messengers of God propagate Allah’s Word in order to please the Almighty, and the motto of the final Messenger of God, Muhammad (p.b.u.h.), was commanded by the Qur’an in Surah Al-Shoora, Surah 42, Ayah 23:
**" Declare [O’ Muhammad]: “I ask you of no recompense for my toil except the love for my kin (family).” Whose earns good, We shall expand it for him. Verily Allah is oft-forgiving, appreciates good works".

We read in Surah al Hadeed “Oh you who believe fear Allah and believe in his Prophet”. The words “oh you who believe” illustrate that Allah is addressing the Muslims and in particular addressing the Companions of the Prophet during the time of the verse’s revelation.

Obedience to the Prophet is unconditional in all circumstances. The Qur’an makes clear that obedience to Allah (swt) can only occur if one obeys the Prophet (saaws) unconditionally.

**Surah Aal-e-Imran verse 31 “Obey Allah and the Prophet but if they turn back, then verily Allah does not love the disbeliveers”

Surah Anfal verse 20 “Obey Allah and his Prophet and don’t turn away when you hear him”

Surah Anfal verse 46 “Obey Allah and his Prophet and do not quarrel”

Surah Hashr verse 7 “Whatever the Prophet gives you take it, whatever he prevents you from doing refrain from it”**

Holy Prophet said , Ya Ammar be sure that obedience to Ali is my obedience and my obedience is the obedience of God.

There are numerous collections of traditions which all recorded the following authentic traditions from the Holy Prophet Mohammad (s).

• “There will be twelve commanders (Amir)” … “All of them will be from Quraish.”
• “The matter (life) will not end, until it is passed by twelve Caliphs” … “All of them will be from Quraish.”
• “The affairs of people will continue to be conducted (well) as long as they are governed by the twelve men.”
• “Islam will continue to be triumphant until there have been twelve Caliphs.”
• “The Islamic religion will continue until the Hour (day of resurrection), having twelve Caliphs for you, all of them will be from Quraish.”
• “There shall be twelve Caliphs for this community, all of them from Quraish.”
• “Twelve Caliphs, (like) the number of the Chiefs of Bani Israel.”
• “There will be after me twelve Amir (Prince/Ruler), all of them from Quraysh.”
• “This religion remains standing until there are twelve vicegerents over you, all of them agreeable to the nation, all of them from Quraysh.”
• “Islam will continue to be triumphant until there have been twelve Caliphs” … “All of them are from Quraysh.”
• “This nation will always remain straight in its affairs, and triumphant against the enemies, till twelve Caliphs will be among them; all of them from Quraysh. Then there will be discord and confusion.”
• “There will be twelve upright Imams for this nation. Those who try to disgrace them will not succeed; all of them shall be from the Quraysh.”
• “The affair of the people will continue as long as twelve men rule over them.”
• “This religion will remain till twelve Imams from Quraysh (will pass), then when they expire the earth will swallow its inhabitants.”
• “The affair of this nation will always be apparent till the twelve Imams will rise, all of them from the Quraysh.”
• “There will be Caliphs after me, whose number is like those of the companions of Musa.”

Simply respect for these imams(AS) is not enough, you have to love them and obey them after the Holy Prophet(PBUH)

i have certain question regarding the posts…

1-**Tabrra **
can u plz give refrences of tabrra …any hadith or verse making it halal to do tabbra on sahbah’s…kindly also refer the source of that hadith u quote…

2-AHL-E-BAIT
who r included in ahle bait…normally with ahlebait or “ghar walay” (as u say in urdu) includes wife …and primarily the word means wife …also in quran wherever any prophet 's wife is to be mentioned the word ahlebait is used…so is Amma AYesha raziallahaounho is included in ahlebait.

3-12 Imams

kindly give refrence of these hadith’s…

[The_Rainmaker]

i m a routine reader of the religious forum and dont expect to involve in any arguements. for the various versions of the same hadith (??) provided by the poster above, i think it may add to the debate if someone could enlist the first 12 caliphs and the families to which they belonged? i know about .. (RA to all) Abu Bakr, Umer, Usman, Ali, Hasan, Mawyiah,Yazeed ... that makes it 7 .. and these are all from Quraish (right?) ... what are the next five?

and before anyone curses me to mention Hazrat Ali and Yazeed in the same sentence ... know thats not the point of this post and any such debate would be way off topic and irrelevant.

[rehman1]

[QUOTE]
*Originally posted by inuit: *
Healthy discussion is only possible when one read literature of the opponent side and gives reference in his favor from that literature.

It is a defined rule and in practice since beginning, Ullema and Scholars always give references from the each other’s books. There is no doubt in it. It is pre-defined.

I am wondering "What is the relationship of Waseela and Cursing."

Jumping from on topic to another clearly shows that the opponent has nothing to say on it and wants the other person to talk on new topic. He also wants people to realize that nothing is happened.

For your kind information; the thing you are considering. That is Tabara which is not Curse. Tabara is displeasure, Disagreeableness “Naa khushi” and Curse means “Kosna” (in urdu).

Let’s talk a little abut Respect, Love and Obedience.

Respect
If we truly have respect, it is inevitable that we treat them with courtesy and equanimity. It is when we do not have respect that we become angry with them, that we disparage them, that we find no value in what they say, and that we engage in destructive action.

Love
Love grows out of respect. In fact, the two go hand in hand. People are very apt to express a sentimental love for another, yet they will show that same person much disrespect. With true love, this cannot be. We must love our parents, who are our first and most important teachers. Our love for them can grow out of a real respect and appreciation for the sacrifice and suffering they have endured for our comfort. We can then give love to our families in the same way that it was given to us.

The Messengers of God propagate Allah's Word in order to please the Almighty, and the motto of the final Messenger of God, Muhammad (p.b.u.h.), was commanded by the Qur'an in Surah Al-Shoora, Surah 42, Ayah 23:
**" Declare [O' Muhammad]: "I ask you of no recompense for my toil except the love for my kin (family)." Whose earns good, We shall expand it for him. Verily Allah is oft-forgiving, appreciates good works".

Obedience**
Obedience is the final pillar in the foundation. Obedience goes with commitment. Obedience means obeying one's parents. No matter how old we are, we are still our parents' children. We should also be obedient to the laws of our community and society. There can be no duality in this regard. The highest obedience is to the moral and spiritual principles of our conscience, to which our parents have contributed much.

We read in Surah al Hadeed “Oh you who believe fear Allah and believe in his Prophet”. The words “oh you who believe” illustrate that Allah is addressing the Muslims and in particular addressing the Companions of the Prophet during the time of the verse’s revelation.

Obedience to the Prophet is unconditional in all circumstances. The Qur’an makes clear that obedience to Allah (swt) can only occur if one obeys the Prophet (saaws) unconditionally.

**Surah Aal-e-Imran verse 31 “Obey Allah and the Prophet but if they turn back, then verily Allah does not love the disbeliveers”

Surah Anfal verse 20 “Obey Allah and his Prophet and don’t turn away when you hear him”

Surah Anfal verse 46 “Obey Allah and his Prophet and do not quarrel”

Surah Hashr verse 7 “Whatever the Prophet gives you take it, whatever he prevents you from doing refrain from it”**

Holy Prophet said , Ya Ammar be sure that obedience to Ali is my obedience and my obedience is the obedience of God.

There are numerous collections of traditions which all recorded the following authentic traditions from the Holy Prophet Mohammad (s).

• "There will be twelve commanders (Amir)" ... "All of them will be from Quraish."
• "The matter (life) will not end, until it is passed by twelve Caliphs" ... "All of them will be from Quraish."
• "The affairs of people will continue to be conducted (well) as long as they are governed by the twelve men."
• "Islam will continue to be triumphant until there have been twelve Caliphs."
• "The Islamic religion will continue until the Hour (day of resurrection), having twelve Caliphs for you, all of them will be from Quraish."
• "There shall be twelve Caliphs for this community, all of them from Quraish."
• "Twelve Caliphs, (like) the number of the Chiefs of Bani Israel."
• "There will be after me twelve Amir (Prince/Ruler), all of them from Quraysh."
• "This religion remains standing until there are twelve vicegerents over you, all of them agreeable to the nation, all of them from Quraysh."
• "Islam will continue to be triumphant until there have been twelve Caliphs" ... "All of them are from Quraysh."
• "This nation will always remain straight in its affairs, and triumphant against the enemies, till twelve Caliphs will be among them; all of them from Quraysh. Then there will be discord and confusion."
• "There will be twelve upright Imams for this nation. Those who try to disgrace them will not succeed; all of them shall be from the Quraysh."
• "The affair of the people will continue as long as twelve men rule over them."
• "This religion will remain till twelve Imams from Quraysh (will pass), then when they expire the earth will swallow its inhabitants."
• "The affair of this nation will always be apparent till the twelve Imams will rise, all of them from the Quraysh."
• "There will be Caliphs after me, whose number is like those of the companions of Musa."

Simply respect for these imams(AS) is not enough, you have to love them and obey them after the Holy Prophet(PBUH)
[/QUOTE]

If this Baqir is so ignorant than how ignorant other people will be.
And he is not part of AHL-E-BAIT.

TAKE CARE

[inuit]

[QUOTE]
*Originally posted by rehman1: *

If this Baqir is so ignorant than how ignorant other people will be.
And he is not part of AHL-E-BAIT.

[/QUOTE]

You are cursing imams of Ahle Bait (AS). To know the names of imams of Ahle Bait (AS) ask your scholars. Check your books. if you find something different, please tell me.

Please spend some time in reading the document, understand it and if you think that there is some reply necessary, ask.

Like brothers The Rainmaker, bao bihari, ravage, and PakistaniAbroad. They are doing some effort in their research work and then they post their message on board. I appritiate their work.

I will request Brother bao bihari to read the message posted before him. I can find the answer to his question from there. Even then if he dont. please ask. So kind of you. Thanks again.

[rehman1]

[QUOTE]
*Originally posted by inuit: *

You are cursing imams of Ahle Bait (AS). To know the names of imams of Ahle Bait (AS) ask your scholars. Check your books. if you find something different, please tell me.

Please spend some time in reading the document, understand it and if you think that there is some reply necessary, ask.

Like brothers The Rainmaker, bao bihari, ravage, and PakistaniAbroad. They are doing some effort in their research work and then they post their message on board. I appritiate their work.

I will request Brother bao bihari to read the message posted before him. I can find the answer to his question from there. Even then if he dont. please ask. So kind of you. Thanks again.
[/QUOTE]

somebody posted part of his work and i despise what THE PART OF THE BOOk SAID.No way He is not AHL_E_BAIT.

take care

[inuit]

[QUOTE]
Originally posted by The Rainmaker: *
enlist the first 12 caliphs and the families to which they belonged? i know about .. (RA to all) Abu Bakr, Umer, Usman, Ali, Hasan, Mawyiah,Yazeed ... that makes it 7 .. and these are all from Quraish (right?) ... what are the next five?
[/QUOTE]
**Sharra Fiqa Akbar by Mulla 'Ali Qari is the Hanafi Book of aqaid. On the very first page it is stated that the book sets out the aqeedah of Ahl'ul Sunnah wa al Jamaah. Everything set out in this book is the aqeedah of Hanafi Sunni Muslims. Mulla Ali Qari sets out who the 12 khalifas are:*

1) Abu Bakr
2) Umar
3) Uthman
4) Ali
5) Mu'awiya
6) Yazid bin Mu'awiya
7) Abdul Malik bin Marwan
8) Walid bin Abdul Malik bin Marwan
9) Sulayman bin Abdul Malik bin Marwan
10) Umar bin Abdul Aziz
11) Yazid bin Abdul Malik bin Marwan
12) Hasham bin Abdul Malik bin Marwan

Taken from Sharra Fiqa Akbar, by Mulla Ali Qari, p 176 (publishers Muhammad Saeed and son, Qur'an Muhalla)

This was one route, now lets have a look at the other path - the path of the Ahlul Bayt e Muhammad (saww)

1) Imam Abul-Hasan Ali ibn e Abi Talib (al-Murtaza) (as)
2) Imam Abu Muhammad al-Hassan (al Mujtaba) (as)
3) Imam Abu Abdallah al-Hussain bin Ali (Sayyid al-Shuhada) (as)
4) Imam Abu Muhammad Ali bin al-Hussain (Zainul-'Abideen) (as)
5) Imam Abu Ja'far Muhammad bin Ali (al-Baqir) (as)
6) Imam Abu Abdallah Ja'far bin Muhammad (al-Sadiq) (as)
7) Imam Abu Ibrahim Musa bin Ja'far (al-Kazim) (as)
8) Imam Abu al-Hasan Ali bin Musa (al-Reza) (as)
9) Imam Abu Ja'far Muhammad bin Ali (Taqi al-Jawaad) (as)
10) Imam Abul-Hasan Ali bin Muhammad al-Hadi al-Naqi(as)
11) Imam Abu Muhammad al-Hasan bin Ali (al-Askari) (as)
12) Imam Abul-Qasim Muhammad bin al-Hasan (al-Mahdi) (as)

[rehman1]

[QUOTE]
Originally posted by inuit: *
**Sharra Fiqa Akbar by Mulla 'Ali Qari is the Hanafi Book of aqaid. On the very first page it is stated that the book sets out the aqeedah of Ahl'ul Sunnah wa al Jamaah. Everything set out in this book is the aqeedah of Hanafi Sunni Muslims. Mulla Ali Qari sets out who the 12 khalifas are:*

1) Abu Bakr
2) Umar
3) Uthman
4) Ali
5) Mu'awiya
6) Yazid bin Mu'awiya
7) Abdul Malik bin Marwan
8) Walid bin Abdul Malik bin Marwan
9) Sulayman bin Abdul Malik bin Marwan
10) Umar bin Abdul Aziz
11) Yazid bin Abdul Malik bin Marwan
12) Hasham bin Abdul Malik bin Marwan

Taken from Sharra Fiqa Akbar, by Mulla Ali Qari, p 176 (publishers Muhammad Saeed and son, Qur'an Muhalla)

This was one route, now lets have a look at the other path - the path of the Ahlul Bayt e Muhammad (saww)

1) Imam Abul-Hasan Ali ibn e Abi Talib (al-Murtaza) (as)
2) Imam Abu Muhammad al-Hassan (al Mujtaba) (as)
3) Imam Abu Abdallah al-Hussain bin Ali (Sayyid al-Shuhada) (as)
4) Imam Abu Muhammad Ali bin al-Hussain (Zainul-'Abideen) (as)
5) Imam Abu Ja'far Muhammad bin Ali (al-Baqir) (as)
6) Imam Abu Abdallah Ja'far bin Muhammad (al-Sadiq) (as)
7) Imam Abu Ibrahim Musa bin Ja'far (al-Kazim) (as)
8) Imam Abu al-Hasan Ali bin Musa (al-Reza) (as)
9) Imam Abu Ja'far Muhammad bin Ali (Taqi al-Jawaad) (as)
10) Imam Abul-Hasan Ali bin Muhammad al-Hadi al-Naqi(as)
11) Imam Abu Muhammad al-Hasan bin Ali (al-Askari) (as)
12) Imam Abul-Qasim Muhammad bin al-Hasan (al-Mahdi) (as)
[/QUOTE]

Man, where did you got hold of this book.Islam never revolves
around personalities. be it Caliphs or Imams. Its not about taqleed.
And you need to check WHAT aqeeda means.

[inuit]

[QUOTE]
*Originally posted by rehman1: *

Man, where did you got hold of this book.Islam never revolves
around personalities. be it Caliphs or Imams. Its not about taqleed.
And you need to check WHAT aqeeda means.

Originally posted by rehman1:

If this Baqir is so ignorant than how ignorant other people will be.
And he is not part of AHL-E-BAIT.
[/QUOTE]

On the commentary of the verse 4:59 of Quran in which Allah orders us to obey Ulul-Amr, al-Khazzaz in his book, Kifayatul Athar, gives a tradition on the authority of the well-known companion of the Prophet (PBUH&HF), Jabir Ibn Abdillah al-Ansari (RA):

When the verse (4:59) was revealed, Jabir asked the Prophet (PBUH&HF): "We know Allah and the Prophet, but who are those vested with authority whose obedience has been conjoined to that of Allah and yourself?"

The Prophet (PBUH&HF) said: "They are my Caliphs and the Imams of Muslims after me. The first of them is Ali; then al-Hasan; then al-Husain; then Ali son of al-Husain; then Muhammad son of Ali who has been mentioned 'al-Baqir' in the Torah (the old testament). O Jabir! You will meet him. When you see him, convey my greetings to him. He will be succeeded by his son, Ja'far al-Sadiq (the Truthful); then Musa son of Ja'far; then Ali son of Musa; then Muhammad son of Ali; then Ali son of Muhammad; then al-Hasan son of Ali. He will be followed by his son whose name and nick name will be the same as mine. He will be Proof of Allah (Hujjatullah) on the earth, and the one spared by Allah (Baqiyyatullah) to maintain the cause of faith among mankind. He shall conquer the whole world from the east to the west. So long will he remain hidden from the eyes of his followers and friends that the belief in his leadership will remain only in those hearts which have been tested by Allah for faith."

Jabir said: "O Messenger of Allah! Will his followers benefit from his seclusion?" The Prophet said: "Yes! by Him who sent me with prophethood! They will be guided by his light, and benefit from his leadership during his seclusion, just as people benefit from the sun even though it is hidden in the clouds. O Jabir! This is from the hidden secrets of Allah and the treasured knowledge of Allah. So guard it except from the people who deserve to know." (Kifayatul Athar, by al-Khazzaz, p53).

Jabbir faces the Imam (A.S.)
The Prophet (P.B.U.H.) told one of his pious friends named Jabbir bin Abdullah, "Oh Jabbir! You will live and will see my son Mohammad Bin Ali Bin Al Hussain whose name in Torah (The Old Testament) is Baqir, convey my compliments (Salam) to him."

The Prophet (P.B.U.H.) passed away and Jabbir remained alive for long times to come. One day, he visited the house of Imam Zain-ul-Abidin (A.S.) and came across a small child. He asked lmam Sajjad (A.S.), "Whose is this child?" He replied, "He is my son Mohammad Baqir (A.S.) who is the Imam of the Muslims next to myself."

Jabbir got up and kissed the foot of Imam (A.S.) and said, "My life be sacrificed upon you, oh the son of Prophet (P.B.U.H.) accept the compliments (Salam) of your grandfather the Prophet of God (P.B.U.H.). He conveyed his compliments through me."

Imam's (A.S.) eyes were filled up with tears and he said, "compliments and benediction be upon my grandfather the Prophet of God (P.B.U.H.) until the Sky and Earth are stable (firm) and upon you too, Oh Jabbir, that you conveyed his compliment to me."

[rehman1]

i made a mistake when i used the Bible reference.

[ravage]

its pointless to expect reasonable debate here.

[inuit]

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Oh, so if he was mentioned in Torah was he christian God.
Its a good FAKE fairy tale. Keep it up.
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**Holy Prophet (PBUH) was mentioned in Bible. Was he a Christian God? Your comments will be highly appreciated. Be positive.

however I value that you read my replies and comment on them as things come in your mind.

I am still hopeful and expecting a reasonable debate here.**

Regards,

inuit

[zer01]

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Originally posted by inuit: *
**I am still hopeful*

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May Allah (SWT) bless you for that. Please dont giveup. I've learned a lot from your posts. (Not to mention that all the credit goes to Brother rehman1 for that.) ;)

Thanx rehman1, you are my saviour bro, keep it up :)

[rehman1]

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*Originally posted by inuit: *

On the commentary of the verse 4:59 of Quran in which Allah orders us to obey Ulul-Amr, al-Khazzaz in his book, Kifayatul Athar, gives a tradition on the authority of the well-known companion of the Prophet (PBUH&HF), Jabir Ibn Abdillah al-Ansari (RA):

When the verse (4:59) was revealed, Jabir asked the Prophet (PBUH&HF): "We know Allah and the Prophet, but who are those vested with authority whose obedience has been conjoined to that of Allah and yourself?"

The Prophet (PBUH&HF) said: "They are my Caliphs and the Imams of Muslims after me. The first of them is Ali; then al-Hasan; then al-Husain; then Ali son of al-Husain; then Muhammad son of Ali who has been mentioned 'al-Baqir' in the Torah (the old testament). O Jabir! You will meet him. When you see him, convey my greetings to him. He will be succeeded by his son, Ja'far al-Sadiq (the Truthful); then Musa son of Ja'far; then Ali son of Musa; then Muhammad son of Ali; then Ali son of Muhammad; then al-Hasan son of Ali. He will be followed by his son whose name and nick name will be the same as mine. He will be Proof of Allah (Hujjatullah) on the earth, and the one spared by Allah (Baqiyyatullah) to maintain the cause of faith among mankind. He shall conquer the whole world from the east to the west. So long will he remain hidden from the eyes of his followers and friends that the belief in his leadership will remain only in those hearts which have been tested by Allah for faith."

Jabir said: "O Messenger of Allah! Will his followers benefit from his seclusion?" The Prophet said: "Yes! by Him who sent me with prophethood! They will be guided by his light, and benefit from his leadership during his seclusion, just as people benefit from the sun even though it is hidden in the clouds. O Jabir! This is from the hidden secrets of Allah and the treasured knowledge of Allah. So guard it except from the people who deserve to know." (Kifayatul Athar, by al-Khazzaz, p53).

Jabbir faces the Imam (A.S.)
The Prophet (P.B.U.H.) told one of his pious friends named Jabbir bin Abdullah, "Oh Jabbir! You will live and will see my son Mohammad Bin Ali Bin Al Hussain whose name in Torah (The Old Testament) is Baqir, convey my compliments (Salam) to him."

The Prophet (P.B.U.H.) passed away and Jabbir remained alive for long times to come. One day, he visited the house of Imam Zain-ul-Abidin (A.S.) and came across a small child. He asked lmam Sajjad (A.S.), "Whose is this child?" He replied, "He is my son Mohammad Baqir (A.S.) who is the Imam of the Muslims next to myself."

Jabbir got up and kissed the foot of Imam (A.S.) and said, "My life be sacrificed upon you, oh the son of Prophet (P.B.U.H.) accept the compliments (Salam) of your grandfather the Prophet of God (P.B.U.H.). He conveyed his compliments through me."

Imam's (A.S.) eyes were filled up with tears and he said, "compliments and benediction be upon my grandfather the Prophet of God (P.B.U.H.) until the Sky and Earth are stable (firm) and upon you too, Oh Jabbir, that you conveyed his compliment to me."
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Dear Inuit
What should i comment on. This article is so childish. Its like a fairy tale.
Yaar, tumahre samjh nahe ataaa. Islam me kia kisee ke FEET chumna
allowed he. Dear, did Rasool Allah(SAW) asked anybody to kiss his
feet. To bow and to kiss hands or feet is hindu traditions.
Just to let you know i have read a Part of Nahuj Ul Balagha and
your namaz book. Some part of the former book is Ok but the
rest is just kind of general knowledge. And well your namaz book
is like Too confusing.Fajreen, duhareen. Whats that.
And tell me why do say SALAM Hazrat Abbas Ulm(flag). But thats not really his(RA) flag. How about that horse that you THINK has
A HOLY lineage too. I have seen shias kiss a flags, horses and
make taziyas. And than there is make belief Salam that you offer to All
Imams at end of Majlis. What else. How about hurting your ownself in
muharaam. What is that. ASSTAGFIRUALLAH(3 times).
Why do you wear black clothes. Yeh kisss Imam ne teach kia ha.
Bhi, Islam itna PRIMTIVE nahe husakta.
Islam IS MODERATE. It allows you to think freely.
Islam ko burrraaa name mut doooo.
And i also want to ask, at what point in history your Imams have done anything for Islam. Don't tell me About HAZRAT ALi(RA) and his(RA)
sons(RA).
Nothing, done nothing. They were always in hiding. Patanahe kia
kar rahee thee.

[Samarra]

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