Who should Pakistanis vote in US Presidential elections?

Looks like Hillary Clinton would be pro-Indian. Which US president would be good for Pakistan?

India matters more than ever: Hillary Clinton

Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton | February 04, 2008 22:02 IST

On January 20, 2009, the next president will take the oath of office and face unprecedented challenges starting on day one. Our economy is faltering. Our health care system is in crisis. And our respect in the world is at an all time low.

I believe we need a problem solver in the White House again. A president ready to roll up his – or her – sleeves to deliver solutions for our toughest problems.

That’s exactly what I’ll do as president. And one of the most difficult tasks will be taking our foreign policy in a new direction and restoring America’s leadership in the world. As president, I’ll reach out to our allies again and work with them to tackle global problems. And America’s partnership with India will be among the most important.

The fact is – from globalisation and nuclear proliferation to climate change and terrorism – India matters more than ever. I believe our two great democracies must be strategic partners, bound together by shared values and common interests. As president I will work with India to make our strong friendship even stronger – to the benefit of both nations.

And I am not a newcomer to this important work.

As First Lady, I traveled to India twice to represent the United States. I’ll never forget my visit in 1995. In Ahmedabad, I met women taking advantage of microcredit to start their own tiny businesses and achieve economic self-sufficiency for their families. I was inspired by these hardworking women and moved by their hope for the future of their families and of India.

In New Delhi, I was warmly welcomed by Sonia Gandhi [Images], and at a speech at the Rajiv Gandhi Foundation, I spoke about the importance of opening up educational opportunities to girls, as well as boys. And I was so gratified to see the progress India had made when I returned a few years later.

On my second visit, I went to Kolkata where I met with President Narayanan. We discussed the great strides being made to send more girls to school and to bring girls and women into the circle of economic and social opportunity. That circle is growing by leaps and bounds in India, encompassing more and more people, lifting millions out of poverty.

I am proud that the Clinton administration helped build a strong partnership between India and the United States and I was proud that president Clinton made that historic visit to India in 2000.

As co-chair of the Senate India Caucus in the Senate, I’ve been working hard these past four years to build on those efforts. And as a Senator from New York, I have been honored to represent a thriving Indian-American community, among the most successful immigrants in our nation’s history.

I visited India in 2005 and have met with India’s leaders both in the United States and in India. I also voted to support the US-India Civilian Nuclear Agreement to pave the way toward peaceful nuclear cooperation – and to move toward greater cooperation to prevent nuclear terrorism and nuclear proliferation.

As president, I’ll work to restore America’s leadership in the world. And one of my goals will be to usher in a new era of partnership between the United States and India. We share so many of the same challenges and have so many of the same goals. Together, we can strengthen our economic partnership, combat terrorism, foster a stable and democratic Pakistan, advance democratic values, promote human rights, tackle global warming and address a host of other problems.

I believe, at our best, America is a nation that leads by the strength of its moral values. I believe in creating more allies and less alienation around the world. And I believe we can foster a stronger relationship between the United States and India to serve the values that unite us as the oldest and largest democracies in the world respectively.

I will not only meet regularly with India’s leaders, but I will call on the Indian-American community to help build a bridge of cooperation between our two great countries. That will serve the United States and India and will help create a brighter future for the citizens of our two great nations.

Re: Who should Pakistanis vote in US Presidential elections?

If we're looking at candidates strictly in terms of their policy towards Pakistan, then I'd have to say McCain, then possibly Romney.

Over the past 30 years or so, the general trend has been for Republican administrations to develop closer ties with Pakistan...this batch of candidates doesn't seem to be bucking past trends either...from Pakistan's perspective, the worst possible outcome would have to be Obama winning the election. The man is clamoring for US aid to Pakistan to be cut, and has been talking about bombing Pakistan (and Iran) for the past 4 years (he first brought up the idea of targeted strikes against Pakistan when he was running for the Senate in 2004).

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people, hillary is not going to win.

here is my assessment

mccain vs hillary- mccain wins
romeny vs hillary - romney wins
romney vs. obama- obama wins
mccain vs obama- tight race

this ofcourse has not factored in the running mate situation which can change things.

democrats have really shot themselves in the foot with this support for hillary.

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obama will get a reality check if and when he gets elected that some of his bravado and big talk is undoable.

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doesnt matter who the pakis vote for, things are not looking good for pak no matter who comes in office. if you think mccain is a friend of pak, you think wrong, he may be a republican and mush support but no friend of pakistan at large

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Pakistanis don't have Lobbying power. Until pakistani can put a dent in any campaign, their large numbers make no difference at all. It's the lobbying and $$$$$$$ that give shape to the policies of any candidate.

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Ager Ap ko Tareekh sey thora sa lagao hey tu utha key dekh legeye, republican president Pakistan key Dictator hukmaranoon key liye bohat achey sabit hotey hain, laiken Pakistan kei integrity or nation state key liye bohat borey. Bohat Paisa milta hey us dor men jab republican in power hotey hain , laiken sab ka sab Ashrafeeya kee jaib men jata hey, aur Paikstan aik Tufailee state banta chala jata hey. Human Aisa US president suit karey ga jo Pakistan ko mukamil toor pey nazar andaz karey.
Yaro hamain jab tuk BHEEK miltee rahey gee, hum kabhee khud sey Koshish nahee ker paeyin gey, aur yeh bheek ka sara paisa tu general hazar kee jaiboon, aur un key chmchoon key accounts men jata hey....

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Obama does not want to invate Pakistan! Here’s what Obama has said about Pakistan:

"As President, I would make the hundreds of millions of dollars in U.S. military aid to Pakistan conditional, and I would make our conditions clear: Pakistan must make substantial progress in closing down the training camps, evicting foreign fighters, and preventing the Taliban from using Pakistan as a staging area for attacks in Afghanistan.

I understand that President Musharraf has his own challenges. But let me make this clear. There are terrorists holed up in those mountains who murdered 3,000 Americans. They are plotting to strike again. It was a terrible mistake to fail to act when we had a chance to take out an al Qaeda leadership meeting in 2005. If we have actionable intelligence about high-value terrorist targets and President Musharraf won’t act, we will.

And Pakistan needs more than F-16s to combat extremism. As the Pakistani government increases investment in secular education to counter radical madrasas, my Administration will increase America’s commitment. We must help Pakistan invest in the provinces along the Afghan border, so that the extremists’ program of hate is met with one of hope. And we must not turn a blind eye to elections that are neither free nor fair – our goal is not simply an ally in Pakistan, it is a democratic ally.

Beyond Pakistan, there is a core of terrorists – probably in the tens of thousands – who have made their choice to attack America. So the second step in my strategy will be to build our capacity and our partnerships to track down, capture or kill terrorists around the world, and to deny them the world’s most dangerous weapons."

http://www.barackobama.com/2007/08/01/remarks_of_senator_obama_the_w_1.php

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HillyBilly

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Billary

http://www.infowars.com/images2/cartoons/vote_billary.jpg

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^lol.....

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Read the bolded part, what does that tell you? When Bama or mama said to "invade" Pakistan I think what they meant is to "target" attack the areas where they have "actionable intelligence".

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And Pakistan needs more than F-16s to combat extremism. As the Pakistani government increases investment in secular education to counter radical madrasas, my Administration will increase America's commitment. We must help Pakistan invest in the provinces along the Afghan border, so that the extremists' program of hate is met with one of hope. And we must not turn a blind eye to elections that are neither free nor fair -- our goal is not simply an ally in Pakistan, it is a democratic ally.
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What about hundreds/thousands of madrassahs which educate ONLY people from NWFP/FATA but operate in cities like Karachi? I guess sitting thousands miles away and never visiting a country can give you only that much "vision".

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Thanks for the nightmarish pictures.

The barack approach listed here by Lusi seems sound, and quite frankly, aid needs to be cut down - corrupt politiicans are just shoving it into their pockets and life for even the middle class has become miserable in Pakistan.

However, its not really aide that is the issue. They need to have someone in office who will invest in secular education, etc. But the problem is that in reality, no one in the US wants those goals, because no one in the US wants an Islamic country to come up in power and progress, especially become competetive in the foreign market the way India and China have become.

In the meantime, corruption will continue in Pakistan and terrorism will continue to grow there.

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None of these candidates are really Pakistan friendly so if you look from that point of view it really doesn't matter who you vote. Generally speaking, democrats are not going on war; they are more into dialogue thing then bombing a country.
If you can vote, then you should for who would be a better president in general and bring a positive change. Aside from foreign policy, there are many other issues like the economy, education reforms, healthcare reforms, etc that which effect Pakistanis living in US. So I think it is important that we go out and vote for the person who is best eligible to clean the mess created by George Bush.

I am off to vote for democrats… kind of confused which one to vote for… I guess will see when I get to the polling place.

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PCG, US can't bring change in Pakistan. It is us who are the actual players in the game. It is on our will what we want...

I can't continue... my laptop battery is drying...lolz..sorry..will come back once I get home

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I’ve had this argument with multiple people before. Here’s an article from his senate run in 2004:

"As for Pakistan, Obama said that if President Pervez Musharraf were to lose power in a coup, the United States similarly might have to consider military action in that country to destroy nuclear weapons it already possesses. Musharraf’s troops are battling hundreds of well-armed foreign militants and Pakistani tribesmen in increasingly violent confrontations.

Obama said that violent Islamic extremists are a vastly different brand of foe than was the Soviet Union during the Cold War, and they must be treated differently.

“With the Soviet Union, you did get the sense that they were operating on a model that we could comprehend in terms of, they don’t want to be blown up, we don’t want to be blown up, so you do game theory and calculate ways to contain,” Obama said. "I think there are certain elements within the Islamic world right now that don’t make those same calculations.

“… I think there are elements within Pakistan right now–if Musharraf is overthrown and they took over, I think we would have to consider going in and taking those bombs out, because I don’t think we can make the same assumptions about how they calculate risks.”"
Chicago Tribune, Sept. 25, 2004

And here he is in 2007:
"Senator Barack Obama said Wednesday that the United States should shift its military focus away from the Iraq war to a broader fight against Islamic extremism, vowing to dispatch American forces to eradicate terrorist camps in Pakistan if that nation failed to take such action…
“If we have actionable intelligence about high-value terrorist targets and President Musharraf won’t act,” Mr. Obama said, “we will.”"
New York Times, August 2, 2007
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/02/us/politics/02obama.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

I know its oh so trendy to support him right now…and Muslim people have fooled themselves into thinking that because the man had a Muslim grandfather he’s going to be so friendly to their interests. The fact of the matter is that his foreign policy is terrible…yes he’s against the Iraq war…mostly because he wants to start the Pakistan war (and possibly the Iran war too)…

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I hope obama doesnt win...i dont think he will anyways...

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Here is the funny thing. Actually for a change US needs Pakistan to be stable than ever before. If US abandons Pakistan, what is there to be lost for Pakistan? Not much! Sad but true.

Whoever the prz in US doesn't matter.

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It does matter if a man who's been calling for military strikes against Pakistan for at least 4 years now gets elected.

Out of the four frontrunners, the only one I even have a shed of respect for is McCain.

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I also like McCain a bit over all others but my point is this.

Everybody says whatever they have to say to gain popularity and traction with public and are completely different once elected. Look at Bush. Whod have thunk he'd be the guy to propose nation blgd, 3 trillion budget and amnesty?

The job US prez changes anybody into a different person - Their values, policies change to circumstance. BeCause they are NOT tied to their party anymore.

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Why is that?