Who says this is our war?

[Sa1eem]

Re: Who says this is our war?

What has government done to protect borders? Other than some target-bombing by drones (controlled by someone else). Knowing how many people including terrorists come and go unchecked, what has govt achieved in security after all these years of fighting/war?

You should give credit for trying, else people at our borders are haath-dharaam and never learn. If Pakistan do not even try then someone else might do that for us, that is give these retards on our border area a good stick. Hence it is better that we try rather let other country sitting in our neighbour give a stick to these retards from 20000 ft in the sky :)

[burqaposhx]

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There is diff. between Taliban and Al-quida......

This is a classic "misstatement" often made by Qaida (and repeated by innocents and sometimes non-innocents).

Alqaida is for sure successful in Pakistan and especially in FATA. And one reason is Qaida's use of psychological warfare. No wonder so many Pakistanis have succumbed to this warfare.

When Qaida top guys like Al-libi are killed well inside Pakistani border, living inside a Talibanic house, then how can one say it "with straight face", that Taliban and Qaida are diff.

May be they are diff, only the way a poor servent (Taliban) is diff from the master Arabs.

So please keep this qaida propaganda off this forum, and tell us who you really are.

p.s. There is another diff. Arabs have freely taken over Taliban houses and their women. While Taliban cannot do that in an Arab country.

Taliban are local people mostly Pashtoons on both sides of the Afghan-Pakistan border. They're fighting against foreign occupation, ....

Another misstatement laden with psychological warfare. Even a school kid with minimal education knows that Americans never occupied Pakistani areas such as FATA or NWFP. Thus Taliban have no right to create anarchy in Pakistan. If they want to help their terrorist brethren across the border, then be brave enough to go there and stay there and fight like a man. Don't scurry back across Pakistani border like eunuchs.

Anyone using FATA and NWFP as a launch pad against the interests of Pakistan, clear orders from the Pakistani government is clearly acting as rogue element. And rogue elements are typically prosecuted and punished in every country in the world. There are few exceptions like Islamic jannats of Afghanistan, Somalia, and Sudan. Add in there African tribes of Hutus and Tutsis and you got the golden roll models of Talibans.

God knows how long this psychological poison will continue to be spread in Pakistan. Only God knows!

[Captain1]

Re: Who says this is our war?

You should give credit for trying, else people at our borders are haath-dharaam and never learn. If Pakistan do not even try then someone else might do that for us, that is give these retards on our border area a good stick. Hence it is better that we try rather let other country sitting in our neighbour give a stick to these retards from 20000 ft in the sky :)

I would've given credit if Pakistani govt had tried with full sincerity and not half-hearted measures like Lal Masjid.

[Shamraz_Khan]

Re: Who says this is our war?

I would've given credit if Pakistani govt had tried with full sincerity and not half-hearted measures like Lal Masjid.

Totally agree with that, but don't expect Pakistani generals to show sincerity in this so called "war on terror". If they did, there would be no more Uncle $$$ coming in.

[Tariq_Akhtar]

Re: Who says this is our war?

^ are you saying Pak generals are prolonging this miserable conflict, getting hundreds of people in the borders killed (including women children doctors all innocent) so that usa will keep them engaged and keep paying money?

As stupid as it sounds I wouldn't put it past these creeps

[Robert]

Re: Who says this is our war?

There is diff. between Taliban and Al-quida.

So they hate eachother?

[Robert]

Re: Who says this is our war?

^ are you saying Pak generals are prolonging this miserable conflict

Its not generals who prolonging it. Put some blame on the other party in the conflict.

[burqaposhx]

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So they hate eachother?

That's a good one Robert!

Our dear poster Shamraz would have you believe that Taliban and Qaida are each other's enemies. Taliban hate the fact that Qaida buys their homes, and marries Taliban's daughters. Off course Taliban cannot go to an Arab country and buy Arab homes, and marry Arab women.

That's why Taliban keep a huge distance from Qaida. In fact when Qaida leadership gets killed in missile attacks right in the middle of FATA, generally Arabs are the only ones killed or wounded.

Whenever Qaida takes over Taliban's houses, Taliban being so patriotic that they immediately report to Pakistani authorities. Once Pakistani authorities arrive to catch the Qaida goons, Taliban offer full assisstance to Pakistani police or military.

Yes there is a "diff" between Taliban and Qaida as Shamraz sahib puts it.

So Robert what else what you except form Shmraz? Taliban is no. 1 enemy of Qaida. NOT!

[Captain1]

Re: Who says this is our war?

So they hate eachother?

There is a difference between coalition partners and US army, do they hate each other too?

[Sa1eem]

Re: Who says this is our war?

On ARY news there was report that USA is planning to attack Pakistan tribal area. If the news report is true, than what Pakistan should do?

[Obviously, it is stupidity for anyone to think that a world power (USA) would not do anything to a Country that lets their land used by people to attack American forces in Afghanistan, and also says that we would not do anything about it to control these miscreants in our (Pakistani) land].

I hope that news is not true, but the way some retarded crooks in parliament talk, the way paid journalists in media put things, the way past corrupts who self-appointed themselves as so-called civil-society of corrupts talk about, it seems that we might be getting on confrontation path with USA and NATO.

If American would strike Pakistan tribal area, most likely it could be carpet bombing from 20000 ft. Should Pakistan air force try to stop them if they enter Pakistani air-space and thus risk a full fledge war with USA (plus NATO), or keep quite?

PS: If that would happen, USA and NATO have many options they can take to harm Pakistan and Pakistani interest. They can:

Start deporting all Pakistanis from their land or start harassing them and treating them as people with link to enemy country, thus classifying them as security risk. Further:

Attack and bomb Pakistani land openly without caring for Pakistani response. If Pakistani air force try to stop that then they can start bombing other areas of Pakistan too.

They can put economical sanctions on Pakistan and force other countries (including Muslim countries) to press sanctions on Pakistan, destroying Pakistan economy as well as depriving Pakistan from obtaining many crucial items in medicine and industry.

They can stop all arms sale to Pakistan and start selling sophisticated arms to India in big way (best quality and huge quantity) and start encouraging India to attack Pakistan and occupy at least Azad Kashmir plus Rann of Kutch (India consider it a disputed area, part of it is with Pakistan).

[We should remember that it was because of American support that Pakistan kept India at bay in Kashmir as well as other parts of Pakistan, as almost all equipments (arms and ammunitions) Pakistan used against any sort of war with India was American supplied]

They can start encouraging elements in Pakistan who want to disintegrate Pakistan and work for independence of provinces (with money, arms and political backing).

Worse would be, USA starting full fledge attack on Pakistan as happened in Afghanistan and Iraq (and that is what Jew lobby in USA must be wanting and trying their best to happen ... It is also likely that some of our political leaders are their agents and want that too). We should know that American full fledge attack on Pakistan would create more enemies amongst Muslims for USA, but immediate result would be complete destruction of Pakistan, like Afghanistan and Iraq.

[Tariq_Akhtar]

Re: Who says this is our war?

^ you just made the case foir. everything musharaf did including pco's.

But you're right

[ehtasab]

Re: Who says this is our war?

@Sa1eem

If American would strike Pakistan tribal area, most likely it could be carpet bombing from 20000 ft. Should Pakistan air force try to stop them if they enter Pakistani air-space and thus risk a full fledge war with USA (plus NATO), or keep quite?

What is YOUR suggestion Pakistani government should do in case US goes for the carpet bombing of FATA?

Don't you think people from FATA esp the 'guests' will spread all over the Pakistan including those who have been quietly enjoying their stay in Pakistan and then go on and invoke "call for jihad" and recruit 100s/1000s of more 'active-guest-supporters' and participate in the 'call'. What do YOU think will happen then?

[Sa1eem]

Re: Who says this is our war?

@ehtasab

What is YOUR suggestion Pakistani government should do in case US goes for the carpet bombing of FATA?

I think that care is better than cure. That means Pakistan government should make sure that such eventualities does not arises. It is not boldness but foolishness to start creating situation where Hawks in USA administration get chance to harm Pakistan. Pakistan does not need to go to war with USA or provide excuse for the sake of these retarded Talibans and AQ, who are challenging Pakistani government and endangering Pakistan.

Pakistan should let USA know (as Musharraf government was doing) that Pakistan would like to have control over its land and that Pakistan would do all what Pakistan can to stop any miscreants crossing Pakistani border into Afghanistan. Further, Pakistan should do all what Pakistan can to control Pakistani territories and stop miscreants from crossing Pakistani border into Afghanistan. Further, I can only hope that if Pakistan would show their willingness to act against miscreants and desire to have control over Pakistani territories, including tribal lands, than USA would not undermine Pakistani authority over Pakistani lands by bombing Pakistan (at least officially).

But, as it is going on, some Pakistani politicians are telling the world that we do not care if Pakistani land is used by miscreants, as they are our people and not fighting Pakistan but American invaders in Afghanistan, thus it is not Pakistani war. Unfortunately by saying that, these people are endangering Pakistan, as they are giving USA and NATO forces in Afghanistan an excuse to attack Pakistan tribal areas in self defence (and ARY news confirms that).

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Don't you think people from FATA esp the 'guests' will spread all over the Pakistan including those who have been quietly enjoying their stay in Pakistan and then go on and invoke "call for jihad" and recruit 100s/1000s of more 'active-guest-supporters' and participate in the 'call'. What do YOU think will happen then?
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Some people say that Pakistan should not impose Pakistani laws on FATA as Quaid-e-Azam gave them that guarantee, still when USA bomb FATA, criticise Pakistan government. These people could not understand that if Pakistan is not responsible of laws and crimes in those areas, why Pakistan should defend those areas when people from their make mischief in Afghanistan and USA forces in Afghanistan attack them? Pakistan can be responsible of those areas only if Pakistan controls that area. Since 2001, Pakistan claims that Pakistan is responsible of those areas and doing all to stop any miscreant crossing into Afghanistan, hence stopped USA from attacking that area (at least officially). But when Pakistan would decline to accept that responsibility, there would be no reason that USA would not attack that area.

As for these people spreading throughout Pakistan and calling for Jihad, then it is duty of Pakistan government with a million armed forces, to control such calls and suppress them forcefully, punish them severely, put them in jail, fine them, and even shoot them dead if they get armed, as declaring Jihad by non-government body is not Jihad, rather it is Fisad and against any laws, be that state laws or religious laws. I am sure that Pakistan is not a weak country that Pakistan cannot control such retards spreading in Pakistan and creating mischief and fisad.